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Post by Graze on May 16, 2008 10:17:54 GMT -5
There is no difference in a child's well being if it is raised by two men/women or a man and a woman. No difference. It's funny that when judges allow same-sex marriage, they are called activists or extremists, but when they don't allow it, they are fine. What sense does that make? I'm sorry that we want to have the same rights as you. America is a nation built on traditional values. Calling a union between two gay people "marriage" devalues the word. What is special about marriage, and beneficial to society, ceases to be special and beneficial to society if the idea of marriage becomes so diluted as to include just about anything. Committed, monogamous relationships between men and women - marriages, in other words - are the foundation of the nation's health, peace, and security. At a time when we are faced with high rates of divorce, teen pregnancy, and rampant STDs, any action taken to undermine the sacrament of marriage is likely to further erode our communities. This sacrament of marriage is bullshit. If anyone really did care about marriage, then all those stupid drive through marriages would be banned, and laws would be put in place making divorce much harder. Marriage doesn't mean much anymore. You can get married and have it annulled in less then 24 hours. This isn't about morals, it's about humans rights, it's about allowing a group of people to have the same rights as every other person.
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Post by kennethtogash on May 16, 2008 10:35:02 GMT -5
When the State sanctions homosexual relationships and gives them its blessing, the younger generation becomes confused about sexual identity and quickly loses its understanding of lifelong commitments, emotional bonding, sexual purity, the role of children in a family, and from a spiritual perspective, the “sanctity” of marriage. Marriage is reduced to something of a partnership that provides attractive benefits and sexual convenience, but cannot offer the intimacy described in Genesis. Cohabitation and short-term relationships are the inevitable result. Ask the Norwegians, the Swedes, and the people from the Netherlands. That is exactly what is happening there.
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Post by ericbischoff on May 16, 2008 10:44:16 GMT -5
That was legal in UK age ago. But marriage will must be called "Civil Partnership"
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Post by Silent Jay on May 16, 2008 10:44:34 GMT -5
When the State sanctions homosexual relationships and gives them its blessing, the younger generation becomes confused about sexual identity and quickly loses its understanding of lifelong commitments, emotional bonding, sexual purity, the role of children in a family, and from a spiritual perspective, the “sanctity” of marriage. Marriage is reduced to something of a partnership that provides attractive benefits and sexual convenience, but cannot offer the intimacy described in Genesis. Cohabitation and short-term relationships are the inevitable result. Ask the Norwegians, the Swedes, and the people from the Netherlands. That is exactly what is happening there. I'll let Lewis Black answer you...
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Post by kennethtogash on May 16, 2008 10:51:14 GMT -5
The introduction of legalized gay marriages will lead inexorably to polygamy and other alternatives to one man/one woman unions. In Utah polygamist Tom Green, who claims five wives, is citing Lawrence v. Texas as the legal authority for his appeal. In January 2004, a Salt Lake City civil rights attorney filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of another couple wanting to engage in legal polygamy. Their justification? Lawrence v. Texas. The ACLU of Utah has actually suggested that the state will “have to step up to prove that a polygamous relationship is detrimental to society” — as opposed to the polygamists having to prove that plural marriage is not harmful to the culture. Do you see how the game is played? The responsibility to defend the family now rests on you and me to prove that polygamy is unhealthy. The ACLU went on to say that the nuclear family “may not be necessarily the best model.” Indeed, Justice Antonin Scalia warned of this likelihood in his statement for the minority in the Lawrence case. It took less than six months for His prediction to become a reality. Why will gay marriage set the table for polygamy? Because there is no place to stop once that Rubicon has been crossed. Historically, the definition of marriage has rested on a foundation of tradition, legal precedent, theology and the overwhelming support of the people. After the introduction of marriage between homosexuals, however, it will be supported by nothing more substantial than the opinion of a single judge or by a black-robed panel of justices. After they have reached their dubious decisions, the family will consist of little more than someone’s interpretation of “rights.” Given that unstable legal climate, it is certain that some self-possessed judge, somewhere, will soon rule that three men or three women can marry. Or five men and two women. Or four and four. Who will be able to deny them that right? The guarantee is implied, we will be told, by the Constitution. Those who disagree will continue to be seen as hate-mongers and bigots. (Indeed, those charges are already being leveled against Christians who espouse biblical values!) How about group marriage, or marriage between cousins, or marriage between daddies and little girls? How about marriage between a man and his donkey? Anything allegedly linked to “civil rights” will be doable. The legal underpinnings for marriage will have been destroyed.
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Post by slappy on May 16, 2008 11:06:36 GMT -5
As long as they are consenting adults, I have no problem with any kind of marriage. Want to have 50 husbands or wives? Go ahead, as long as all are consenting adults. Your arguments are ed up. There will not be laws that promote incest or bestiality marriages. Because the animals cannot consent and neither can the children under 18. So, you don't care about people having rights. That's obvious from your statements. Do you support interracial marriages? Hell, the bible says that raping a virgin is ok as long as you pay her father. Do you support that? Or are you going to go against the bible? Why don't you complain about straight marriages? Britney Spears' 50 hour marriage? Other marriages that don't last long. Why not make divorce illegal? The bible does not condemn homosexuality. It condemns leaving your spouse.
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Post by kennethtogash on May 16, 2008 11:08:31 GMT -5
Marriage between homosexuals will destroy traditional marriage is that this is the ultimate goal of activists, and they will not stop until they achieve it. The history of the gay and lesbian movement has been that its adherents quickly move the goal line as soon as the previous one has been breached, revealing even more shocking and outrageous objectives. In the present instance, homosexual activists, heady with power and exhilaration, feel the political climate is right to tell us what they have wanted all along. This is the real deal: Most gays and lesbians do not want to marry each other. That would entangle them in all sorts of legal constraints. Who needs a lifetime commitment to one person? The intention here is to create an entirely different legal structure.
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Post by bulldog77 on May 16, 2008 11:09:30 GMT -5
As long as they are consenting adults, I have no problem with any kind of marriage. Want to have 50 husbands or wives? Go ahead, as long as all are consenting adults. Your arguments are ed up. There will not be laws that promote incest or bestiality marriages. Because the animals cannot consent and neither can the children under 18. So, you don't care about people having rights. That's obvious from your statements. Do you support interracial marriages? Hell, the bible says that raping a virgin is ok as long as you pay her father. Do you support that? Or are you going to go against the bible? Why don't you complain about straight marriages? Britney Spears' 50 hour marriage? Other marriages that don't last long. Why not make divorce illegal? The bible does not condemn homosexuality. It condemns leaving your spouse. Once agian...this man is right. Congratulations are in order to Cali for finally stepping up and making a change. Now lets see those snot nose politicians have a fit shall we?
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Post by slappy on May 16, 2008 11:10:53 GMT -5
"Who needs a lifetime commitment to one person?"
Sounds like you are either promoting polygamy or no marriage at all.
So, you support making people second class citizens? Because that's what gays are now.
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Post by kennethtogash on May 16, 2008 11:11:29 GMT -5
With marriage as we know it gone, everyone would enjoy all the legal benefits of marriage (custody rights, tax-free inheritance, joint ownership of property, health care and spousal citizenship, and much more) without limiting the number of partners or their gender. Nor would “couples” be bound to each other in the eyes of the law. This is clearly where the movement is headed. If you doubt that this is the motive, read what is in the literature today. Activists have created a new word to replace the outmoded terms infidelity, adultery, cheating and promiscuity. The new concept is polyamorous. It means the same thing (literally “many loves”) but with the agreement of the primary sexual partner. Why not? He or she is probably polyamorous, too.
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Post by carly1988 on May 16, 2008 11:11:52 GMT -5
Refresh my memory....Was this not legal once before in Cali only to be over turned like a few months later??? Is this just gonna be a yearly think in Cali like Earthquakes???
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Post by slappy on May 16, 2008 11:13:58 GMT -5
It was legal in San Francisco, but the court said that it was illegal. Now, they have overturned that and it's legal in all of California.
To Kenneth:
But, if it gives people rights, why not support it? Are you against inter-racial marriages? That was illegal at one time. Hell, slavery was legal at one time and the bible doesn't condemn it, so do you support slavery?
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Post by kennethtogash on May 16, 2008 11:14:13 GMT -5
Refresh my memory....Was this not legal once before in Cali only to be over turned like a few months later??? Is this just gonna be a yearly think in Cali like Earthquakes??? San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom had barely been on the job a month back in 2004 when he ordered the city to issue marriages licenses to gay and lesbian couples. Thousands of same-sex partners flocked to City Hall to exchange vows. For four weeks, a steady stream of ceremonies stretched into the night, and lines of eager couples wrapped around the block. And as quickly as the couples could say, "I do," the scene of women marrying women and men marrying men sparked a nationwide uproar. Proponents called the move bold. Opponents called it defiant and blatantly illegal. People on both sides said Newsom had single-handedly cost Democrats the White House. But after more than 4,000 same-sex marriage licenses (which ultimately were ruled invalid) and four years, the Republican majority on California's Supreme Court handed Newsom his vindication.
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Post by slappy on May 16, 2008 11:15:24 GMT -5
Newsom didn't cost the Democrats the White House in 2004. Hell, I wish he had that kind of power.
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Post by bulldog77 on May 16, 2008 11:15:26 GMT -5
With marriage as we know it gone, everyone would enjoy all the legal benefits of marriage (custody rights, tax-free inheritance, joint ownership of property, health care and spousal citizenship, and much more) without limiting the number of partners or their gender. Nor would “couples” be bound to each other in the eyes of the law. This is clearly where the movement is headed. If you doubt that this is the motive, read what is in the literature today. Activists have created a new word to replace the outmoded terms infidelity, adultery, cheating and promiscuity. The new concept is polyamorous. It means the same thing (literally “many loves”) but with the agreement of the primary sexual partner. Why not? He or she is probably polyamorous, too. Your argument is faulty man. Let me guess you live in a back ass hick town and your "Daddy" raised you to hate gays, blacks ,basically anyone that doesn't share your beliefs? Am i getting through to ya?
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Post by kennethtogash on May 16, 2008 11:16:51 GMT -5
It was legal in San Francisco, but the court said that it was illegal. Now, they have overturned that and it's legal in all of California. To Kenneth: But, if it gives people rights, why not support it? Are you against inter-racial marriages? That was illegal at one time. Hell, slavery was legal at one time and the bible doesn't condemn it, so do you support slavery? I support the traditional family. Slavery is wrong.
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Post by slappy on May 16, 2008 11:17:50 GMT -5
So, you are against giving people rights?
Do you support inter-racial marriages?
But the bible says that it's ok, at least I saw a part where the father can give his daughter into slavery. Is that ok? The bible says so.
The bible says that raping a virgin is ok. Do you think so?
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Post by kennethtogash on May 16, 2008 11:18:09 GMT -5
With marriage as we know it gone, everyone would enjoy all the legal benefits of marriage (custody rights, tax-free inheritance, joint ownership of property, health care and spousal citizenship, and much more) without limiting the number of partners or their gender. Nor would “couples” be bound to each other in the eyes of the law. This is clearly where the movement is headed. If you doubt that this is the motive, read what is in the literature today. Activists have created a new word to replace the outmoded terms infidelity, adultery, cheating and promiscuity. The new concept is polyamorous. It means the same thing (literally “many loves”) but with the agreement of the primary sexual partner. Why not? He or she is probably polyamorous, too. Your argument is faulty man. Let me guess you live in a back ass hick town and your "Daddy" raised you to hate gays, blacks ,basically anyone that doesn't share your beliefs? Am i getting through to ya? One of the most compelling arguments for defending traditional marriage is that it serves a vital public interest that would be compromised if it were harnessed alongside same-sex partnerships. Stanton explained that anthropologists have found that in every civilization marriage between men and women has served to regulate sexuality in society. A society cannot survive over the long term without firmly defined and enforced mores that confine sexual behavior as only between men and women. Stanton pointed out that legalizing same-sex marriage would effectively destroy those mores in our society.
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Post by kennethtogash on May 16, 2008 11:20:31 GMT -5
So, you are against giving people rights? Do you support inter-racial marriages? But the bible says that it's ok, at least I saw a part where the father can give his daughter into slavery. Is that ok? The bible says so. The bible says that raping a virgin is ok. Do you think so? I support the traditions that have made America the best country in the world and I don't want the country to fall into a pit of moral decay. Interracial marriages are fine.
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Post by bulldog77 on May 16, 2008 11:21:29 GMT -5
Your argument is faulty man. Let me guess you live in a back ass hick town and your "Daddy" raised you to hate gays, blacks ,basically anyone that doesn't share your beliefs? Am i getting through to ya? One of the most compelling arguments for defending traditional marriage is that it serves a vital public interest that would be compromised if it were harnessed alongside same-sex partnerships. Stanton explained that anthropologists have found that in every civilization marriage between men and women has served to regulate sexuality in society. A society cannot survive over the long term without firmly defined and enforced mores that confine sexual behavior as only between men and women. Stanton pointed out that legalizing same-sex marriage would effectively destroy those mores in our society. O DEAR LORD I SEE THE LIGHT THANKS TO YOU!!! Come on man, So there will be some change around the world. Get over it, Are you going to turn gay? NO, your still gonna want to have a women, just like me im not gay, im still going to someday get married to a women and make little clones of ourselves so they can do the same. Get your rebel flagged boxers out of a bunch.
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