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Post by rohreddevil on Dec 4, 2007 18:26:18 GMT -5
Yes, yes, it's been done 1,000 times before, but with rumors of them pursuing Carlito, another guy who will have a fun debut, but that's it, and not help the rating at all, I think this thread needs to be made. I also think that I should have corrected that run-on sentence, but oh well.  What are some of your ideas? 1) Super Bowl and Other Sporting Event AdsAd time during the Super Bowl is not cheap, however, you have the opportunity of reaching over 50 million people. There's a good chance that at least 4-5 million people will be interested somewhat in what you are offering. If you can get them to tune into one broadcast and hook at least some of them, you should see a steady boost in the ratings department. At my college, people only watch sports. The room next to me never, and I literally mean never turns off ESPN. Frank TV on TBS debuted with 3 million viewers due to the ads during the MLB playoffs, and the two had no relationship whatsoever. There's no reason pro-wrestling ads during college football or basketball games couldn't produce good numbers.2) Ex-WWE Guys Have To Lose, CleanlyI have no problem with a Kurt Angle, Booker T or Christian etc. coming into TNA. I don't care if you give one of them the title, but at some point they have to lose and when they do, a superstar can get a huge rub if it's clean, at least somewhat.
Remember the pop Shelton Benjamin got when he beat Triple H a few years back (somewhat cleanly)? You can instantly create a star in Alex Shelley, James Storm etc. if they do this. I realize Lethal beat Angle, but they ruined his chance at becoming a Main Eventer that same night. |
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Post by tnafan4life on Dec 4, 2007 18:58:22 GMT -5
The thing with the super bowl/sports ad is. Yes, they might tune into it after seeing the commerical BUT who's to say they like what they see? Which would likely mean they wouldn't tune back in  |
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Post by rohreddevil on Dec 4, 2007 19:08:37 GMT -5
The thing with the super bowl/sports ad is. Yes, they might tune into it after seeing the commerical BUT who's to say they like what they see? Which would likely mean they wouldn't tune back in That's a point, and that's exactly why TNA would need to go all-out on that show immediately after the Super Bowl. RVD, Sabu, Big Show, or paying whatever it costs to steal a WWE wrestler. They'd need something big to make sure they got the interest of that viewer. |
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Post by jack on Dec 4, 2007 21:31:47 GMT -5
How about let Joe shoot on live TV for like half an hour.
Id pay to see that.
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Post by ZMaster on Dec 4, 2007 22:04:24 GMT -5
Name value doesn't draw anymore. It doesn't matter who gets brought in, the ratings are still going to stay the same regardless. It'll take consistent booking and putting on shows people want to watch. Advertising it will help as well.
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Post by NotoriusVIG on Dec 4, 2007 22:09:16 GMT -5
WOW, this thread is funny! Do you know how much a SuperBowl ad would cost? I'm sure it would pop the rating once or twice but that's it. People aren't going to just magically tune in.
By the way, pops don't mean a thing. I don't see Shelton Benjamin drawing a dime right about now. Jay Lethal wasn't MADE after No Surrender and he wouldn't have been even if they'd have not jobbed him.
Ratings don't mean anything anyways. This should be a thread with ideas on how TNA can improve the buyrates.
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Dec 4, 2007 22:36:04 GMT -5
I agree, not enough established guys do jobs for the homegrown talent...
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Post by rohreddevil on Dec 4, 2007 22:59:45 GMT -5
WOW, this thread is funny! Do you know how much a SuperBowl ad would cost? I'm sure it would pop the rating once or twice but that's it. People aren't going to just magically tune in. By the way, pops don't mean a thing. I don't see Shelton Benjamin drawing a dime right about now. Jay Lethal wasn't MADE after No Surrender and he wouldn't have been even if they'd have not jobbed him. Ratings don't mean anything anyways. This should be a thread with ideas on how TNA can improve the buyrates. Wow, you are an idiot. That is all I can say. Let's break it down and analyze it. Super Bowl Ads reach millions upon millions of people. You have a chance to reach a number of sports fans. Do you the ratings shows right after the Super Bowl get, or that are advertised during it? As I mentioned with Frank TV, sports fans are extremely sensible to ads, believe it or not. That's why cars, beer and food are advertised during these things. Need to focus on bigger buyrates? How do you plan on doing that? A better product will only add a few more thousand at the most. A higher rating will reach a larger audience (not sure if you are able to make that basic connection) and the number of people who will see your advertised PPVs will increase. Therefore, your PPV buyrates go up. Higher ratings will also allow TNA to ask for more money from Spike TV during contract negotiations. Pops don't mean anything? One pop and a correct push can create a star. Stars sell PPVs and lead to higher TV ratings. |
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Post by Adam on Dec 4, 2007 23:09:27 GMT -5
Name value doesn't draw anymore. It doesn't matter who gets brought in, the ratings are still going to stay the same regardless. It'll take consistent booking and putting on shows people want to watch. Advertising it will help as well. Wow, I'm not alone. ...but then again, tell that to Spike TV. |
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Post by NotoriusVIG on Dec 5, 2007 18:21:24 GMT -5
WOW, this thread is funny! Do you know how much a SuperBowl ad would cost? I'm sure it would pop the rating once or twice but that's it. People aren't going to just magically tune in. By the way, pops don't mean a thing. I don't see Shelton Benjamin drawing a dime right about now. Jay Lethal wasn't MADE after No Surrender and he wouldn't have been even if they'd have not jobbed him. Ratings don't mean anything anyways. This should be a thread with ideas on how TNA can improve the buyrates. Wow, you are an idiot. That is all I can say. Let's break it down and analyze it. Super Bowl Ads reach millions upon millions of people. You have a chance to reach a number of sports fans. Do you the ratings shows right after the Super Bowl get, or that are advertised during it? As I mentioned with Frank TV, sports fans are extremely sensible to ads, believe it or not. That's why cars, beer and food are advertised during these things. Need to focus on bigger buyrates? How do you plan on doing that? A better product will only add a few more thousand at the most. A higher rating will reach a larger audience (not sure if you are able to make that basic connection) and the number of people who will see your advertised PPVs will increase. Therefore, your PPV buyrates go up. Higher ratings will also allow TNA to ask for more money from Spike TV during contract negotiations. Pops don't mean anything? One pop and a correct push can create a star. Stars sell PPVs and lead to higher TV ratings. Well since you called me an idiot and I've got some time to kill, I'll set a mark straight right here. Calling me an idiot is like calling the kettle black, but I digress. The Superbowl ad idea may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. It made sense for the WWE to do one back in 1999 when they were peaking in popularity. Right now, TNA is stuck in mediocrity and spending millions on an ad that won't bring nearly enough in return is stupid as hell. Sure, it might pop the ratings a little but again, business won't be magically great for TNA after that. Please sir, realize that a Superbowl ad would probably kill TNA before it did anything to help them. Pops don't mean a damn thing, I proved you right on the Shelton point. I don't see him lighting up any arenas or selling any merchandise or selling PPVs. No, he's jobbing but shouldn't his pop have certified him to doing those things. By your definition, he should be doing all of those things and he's nowhere near doing those things. Pops are simply that, POPS. They don't show or prove anything when it comes down to business. Pops don't mean squat, plain and simply, just like ratings. Buyrates bring in business, ratings fuel buyrates, but ratings don't bring revenue at all. Spending millions on a worthless ad that wouldn't pop the ratings up 2 points like you seem to suggest, would be stupid. Theoretically, let's say the ad did bring in "5-6 million" viewers (which it wouldn't), it wouldn't automatically be bringing in buyrate increases in droves. The rating would decrease in the weeks following, and in the longrun, wouldn't mean squat. Please go away with your assinine ideas on how TNA can improve the ratings. It doesn't matter if they improve them, TNA still won't be making money. Here's a suggestion to you, as you seem to be a bigger idiot mark than many on this forums: do yourself a favor and study wrestling some more, get a subscription to the Observer, study more, and actually come back to me with knowledge and not ignorance. Peace out. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 20:58:28 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan lolz
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Post by Heresy on Dec 6, 2007 13:54:46 GMT -5
Calling me an idiot is like calling the kettle black LMAO Name value doesn't draw anymore. It doesn't matter who gets brought in, the ratings are still going to stay the same regardless. It'll take consistent booking and putting on shows people want to watch. Advertising it will help as well. Agreed. TNA isn't going to improve anything by featuing wrestlers that were big in the 90's. TNA is trying to attract a larger audience through nostalgia... but the big stars of the 90's mean little to nothing to those who are uneducated in that era. Anyone who does care about the late 90's stars already watch TNA or made the decision not to. New fans aren't going to tune in for old guys wrestling a watered-down style just because they were popular back in the day. They're going to tune in for cutting-edge wrestlers, intense competition, and fast paced action. The sooner TNA realizes this, the better of they'll be. |
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Post by deskjet on Dec 6, 2007 14:12:09 GMT -5
two words: Balance and consistency. Non of which TNA has had for a long time.
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Post by addam on Dec 6, 2007 16:01:21 GMT -5
they could start cutting peoples fingers off so they can't work the remote anymore, or hire a team of p.i.'s to dig up dirt on random people then blackmail them to watch it.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Dec 6, 2007 16:55:21 GMT -5
they could start cutting peoples fingers off so they can't work the remote anymore, or hire a team of p.i.'s to dig up dirt on random people then blackmail them to watch it. Knowing TNA logic of booking, that seems like the only chance they'll have to get ratings. |
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Post by rohreddevil on Dec 8, 2007 4:00:41 GMT -5
Wow, you are an idiot. That is all I can say. Let's break it down and analyze it. Super Bowl Ads reach millions upon millions of people. You have a chance to reach a number of sports fans. Do you the ratings shows right after the Super Bowl get, or that are advertised during it? As I mentioned with Frank TV, sports fans are extremely sensible to ads, believe it or not. That's why cars, beer and food are advertised during these things. Need to focus on bigger buyrates? How do you plan on doing that? A better product will only add a few more thousand at the most. A higher rating will reach a larger audience (not sure if you are able to make that basic connection) and the number of people who will see your advertised PPVs will increase. Therefore, your PPV buyrates go up. Higher ratings will also allow TNA to ask for more money from Spike TV during contract negotiations. Pops don't mean anything? One pop and a correct push can create a star. Stars sell PPVs and lead to higher TV ratings. Well since you called me an idiot and I've got some time to kill, I'll set a mark straight right here. Calling me an idiot is like calling the kettle black, but I digress. The Superbowl ad idea may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. It made sense for the WWE to do one back in 1999 when they were peaking in popularity. Right now, TNA is stuck in mediocrity and spending millions on an ad that won't bring nearly enough in return is stupid as hell. Sure, it might pop the ratings a little but again, business won't be magically great for TNA after that. Please sir, realize that a Superbowl ad would probably kill TNA before it did anything to help them. Pops don't mean a damn thing, I proved you right on the Shelton point. I don't see him lighting up any arenas or selling any merchandise or selling PPVs. No, he's jobbing but shouldn't his pop have certified him to doing those things. By your definition, he should be doing all of those things and he's nowhere near doing those things. Pops are simply that, POPS. They don't show or prove anything when it comes down to business. Pops don't mean squat, plain and simply, just like ratings. Buyrates bring in business, ratings fuel buyrates, but ratings don't bring revenue at all. Spending millions on a worthless ad that wouldn't pop the ratings up 2 points like you seem to suggest, would be stupid. Theoretically, let's say the ad did bring in "5-6 million" viewers (which it wouldn't), it wouldn't automatically be bringing in buyrate increases in droves. The rating would decrease in the weeks following, and in the longrun, wouldn't mean squat. Please go away with your assinine ideas on how TNA can improve the ratings. It doesn't matter if they improve them, TNA still won't be making money. Here's a suggestion to you, as you seem to be a bigger idiot mark than many on this forums: do yourself a favor and study wrestling some more, get a subscription to the Observer, study more, and actually come back to me with knowledge and not ignorance. Peace out. Wow, you keep making more idiotic statements. I am aware Shelton Benjamin is nowhere right now because WWE blew it. He got a huge pop on the win, and the week after that during his entrance you moron. And the week after that, and the week after that. WWE blew the chance of him becoming a star. But he did have that potential from the win over Triple H. A win can do that. You clearly do not understand marketing, it does not come as naturally to others as it does to me. You have to relate a product to people and get them emotionally-attached. Find a way to hook the millions watching the Super Bowl and you will have the opportunity to get good ratings, if you book correctly again. A Super Bowl ad would not kill a company that is being funded by a billion dollar company. Please, check off basic math as another area you're not familiar with. Please stop talking if you're going to continue with your idiotic replies. The point of this topic was to get TNA out and into the public eye. Instead you keep replying with how they currently are. I know nobody gives a **** about them. That's why the topic was made. Get a subscription to the observer? That thing's been awful for like four years now. I'll browse the internet for real sources thank you. You can stay out in smark land with your ROH tapes and your clever usernames. OMG, the rapper was made Notorious BIG, but I'm gonna change it to V! OMG, I am so clever!!!!! You know what would be even funnier? If I spell Notorious wrong. LOLZZZ!! |
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Post by tnafan4life on Dec 8, 2007 7:50:49 GMT -5
Well since you called me an idiot and I've got some time to kill, I'll set a mark straight right here. Calling me an idiot is like calling the kettle black, but I digress. The Superbowl ad idea may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. It made sense for the WWE to do one back in 1999 when they were peaking in popularity. Right now, TNA is stuck in mediocrity and spending millions on an ad that won't bring nearly enough in return is stupid as hell. Sure, it might pop the ratings a little but again, business won't be magically great for TNA after that. Please sir, realize that a Superbowl ad would probably kill TNA before it did anything to help them. Pops don't mean a damn thing, I proved you right on the Shelton point. I don't see him lighting up any arenas or selling any merchandise or selling PPVs. No, he's jobbing but shouldn't his pop have certified him to doing those things. By your definition, he should be doing all of those things and he's nowhere near doing those things. Pops are simply that, POPS. They don't show or prove anything when it comes down to business. Pops don't mean squat, plain and simply, just like ratings. Buyrates bring in business, ratings fuel buyrates, but ratings don't bring revenue at all. Spending millions on a worthless ad that wouldn't pop the ratings up 2 points like you seem to suggest, would be stupid. Theoretically, let's say the ad did bring in "5-6 million" viewers (which it wouldn't), it wouldn't automatically be bringing in buyrate increases in droves. The rating would decrease in the weeks following, and in the longrun, wouldn't mean squat. Please go away with your assinine ideas on how TNA can improve the ratings. It doesn't matter if they improve them, TNA still won't be making money. Here's a suggestion to you, as you seem to be a bigger idiot mark than many on this forums: do yourself a favor and study wrestling some more, get a subscription to the Observer, study more, and actually come back to me with knowledge and not ignorance. Peace out. Wow, you keep making more idiotic statements. I am aware Shelton Benjamin is nowhere right now because WWE blew it. He got a huge pop on the win, and the week after that during his entrance you moron. And the week after that, and the week after that. WWE blew the chance of him becoming a star. But he did have that potential from the win over Triple H. A win can do that. You clearly do not understand marketing, it does not come as naturally to others as it does to me. You have to relate a product to people and get them emotionally-attached. Find a way to hook the millions watching the Super Bowl and you will have the opportunity to get good ratings, if you book correctly again. A Super Bowl ad would not kill a company that is being funded by a billion dollar company. Please, check off basic math as another area you're not familiar with.Please stop talking if you're going to continue with your idiotic replies. The point of this topic was to get TNA out and into the public eye. Instead you keep replying with how they currently are. I know nobody gives a **** about them. That's why the topic was made. Get a subscription to the observer? That thing's been awful for like four years now. I'll browse the internet for real sources thank you. You can stay out in smark land with your ROH tapes and your clever usernames. OMG, the rapper was made Notorious BIG, but I'm gonna change it to V! OMG, I am so clever!!!!! You know what would be even funnier? If I spell Notorious wrong. LOLZZZ!! Wait.. They might be a billion dollar company - but who says that much money goes into TNA? |
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Post by NotoriusVIG on Dec 8, 2007 22:42:32 GMT -5
Well since you called me an idiot and I've got some time to kill, I'll set a mark straight right here. Calling me an idiot is like calling the kettle black, but I digress. The Superbowl ad idea may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. It made sense for the WWE to do one back in 1999 when they were peaking in popularity. Right now, TNA is stuck in mediocrity and spending millions on an ad that won't bring nearly enough in return is stupid as hell. Sure, it might pop the ratings a little but again, business won't be magically great for TNA after that. Please sir, realize that a Superbowl ad would probably kill TNA before it did anything to help them. Pops don't mean a damn thing, I proved you right on the Shelton point. I don't see him lighting up any arenas or selling any merchandise or selling PPVs. No, he's jobbing but shouldn't his pop have certified him to doing those things. By your definition, he should be doing all of those things and he's nowhere near doing those things. Pops are simply that, POPS. They don't show or prove anything when it comes down to business. Pops don't mean squat, plain and simply, just like ratings. Buyrates bring in business, ratings fuel buyrates, but ratings don't bring revenue at all. Spending millions on a worthless ad that wouldn't pop the ratings up 2 points like you seem to suggest, would be stupid. Theoretically, let's say the ad did bring in "5-6 million" viewers (which it wouldn't), it wouldn't automatically be bringing in buyrate increases in droves. The rating would decrease in the weeks following, and in the longrun, wouldn't mean squat. Please go away with your assinine ideas on how TNA can improve the ratings. It doesn't matter if they improve them, TNA still won't be making money. Here's a suggestion to you, as you seem to be a bigger idiot mark than many on this forums: do yourself a favor and study wrestling some more, get a subscription to the Observer, study more, and actually come back to me with knowledge and not ignorance. Peace out. Wow, you keep making more idiotic statements. I am aware Shelton Benjamin is nowhere right now because WWE blew it. He got a huge pop on the win, and the week after that during his entrance you moron. And the week after that, and the week after that. WWE blew the chance of him becoming a star. But he did have that potential from the win over Triple H. A win can do that. You clearly do not understand marketing, it does not come as naturally to others as it does to me. You have to relate a product to people and get them emotionally-attached. Find a way to hook the millions watching the Super Bowl and you will have the opportunity to get good ratings, if you book correctly again. A Super Bowl ad would not kill a company that is being funded by a billion dollar company. Please, check off basic math as another area you're not familiar with. Please stop talking if you're going to continue with your idiotic replies. The point of this topic was to get TNA out and into the public eye. Instead you keep replying with how they currently are. I know nobody gives a **** about them. That's why the topic was made. Get a subscription to the observer? That thing's been awful for like four years now. I'll browse the internet for real sources thank you. You can stay out in smark land with your ROH tapes and your clever usernames. OMG, the rapper was made Notorious BIG, but I'm gonna change it to V! OMG, I am so clever!!!!! You know what would be even funnier? If I spell Notorious wrong. LOLZZZ!! Ok jackass, I'm just not going to respond because I don't feel like arguing with an idiot mark. I've got better things to do with my time then explain simple business ideas that you don't feel are right. By the way, real mature on making fun of my user name. You really got your point across. Now, go back to your Mom's basement thinking you're special. |
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Post by compton on Dec 8, 2007 23:53:28 GMT -5
Wow, you are an idiot. That is all I can say. Let's break it down and analyze it. Super Bowl Ads reach millions upon millions of people. You have a chance to reach a number of sports fans. Do you the ratings shows right after the Super Bowl get, or that are advertised during it? As I mentioned with Frank TV, sports fans are extremely sensible to ads, believe it or not. That's why cars, beer and food are advertised during these things. True, Super Bowl ads do reach millions upon millions of people, but how many of them do you think are wrestling fans? Now you take that fraction, and divide it by the number of people who forget to tune in, aren't intrigued by the ad, just aren't interested, etc. Now you're [probably] left with a much smaller number of people. Not to mention the fact that TNA probably can't afford a decent Super Bowl ad. And by decent, in mean a lengthy one. Need to focus on bigger buyrates? How do you plan on doing that? A better product will only add a few more thousand at the most. A higher rating will reach a larger audience (not sure if you are able to make that basic connection) and the number of people who will see your advertised PPVs will increase. Therefore, your PPV buyrates go up. Higher ratings will also allow TNA to ask for more money from Spike TV during contract negotiations. Pops don't mean anything? One pop and a correct push can create a star. Stars sell PPVs and lead to higher TV ratings. How are they supposed to get higher ratings without a better product? And I know this isn't the norm, but PPV's can bring in new fans and better ratings for their shows. I ordered the first ECW PPV that was available in my area before I had ever heard of ECW. They aired a commercial for it and it looked  ing awesome, so I ordered it and I was immediately hooked. I remember being shocked after years of watching WWF and WCW, and then hearing Rhyno dropping a few "f-bombs" on the show. But I know that this isn't the norm for getting new fans. I think you were dead on with most everything you said though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2007 17:14:44 GMT -5
i think TNA needs to get rid of former WWE talent besides Christain and Tomko. give there originals a push. Bring in some indy talent instead of former WWE talent
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