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Post by Flava Dave on May 29, 2008 0:56:39 GMT -5
What was Steiner doing before he became a steroid freak? Being one half of one of the most successful tag teams in the world.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on May 29, 2008 1:22:49 GMT -5
Funny, because I seem to recall this crazy thing called D-Generation X that happened way before Stephanie McMahon was in the picture. Triple H had a natural progression in the company that had him jobbing for awhile and gradually reaching the top of the mountain. Steph came in right around the time he got into the main event scene, hell, even later than that if I recall correctly.
There's no doubt he has an unfair advantage over the other boys for awhile now but to act as if he'd be a nobody without Steph is ignorant and narrow-minded.
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Post by No Brokeback on May 29, 2008 1:33:31 GMT -5
I completely agree with Ric Flair As a kid, I couldn't stand him. He looked like an old man boring bland 'nobody'. I couldn't understand why he won one of the Royal Rumbles. Hogan, as a kid, was amazing. He was everything in a 'kids hero' a kid could want. Hogan made WWF what it was in the 80s He made WCW what it was in the 90s. Now..he's ing crazy
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Post by moogie101 on May 29, 2008 2:41:24 GMT -5
Right so basically he's saying Hogan was a considerably bigger draw than Flair, HHH has got in the position he is because of his relationship with Steph & that back in the day HBK was a complete twat backstage.
Can't really see the problem with any of that myself. He's a bit harsh on Flair but if I remember Ric wasn't exactly polite towards Scott in his book was he so hardly going to sing his praises was he?
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Post by OmegaGaijin on May 29, 2008 4:35:34 GMT -5
It's his opinion, why bash him for it. The Shawn Michaels & Triple H stories are 100% true. You are 100% wrong. Triple H was getting pushed in 1997, before we even seen Stephanie as an active on air talent. Triple H got the WWF title before he was storyline dating Steph. They got together in like 2001-2002 and married in 2003. technically he is 50% wrong mate :
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Post by dtldiva on May 29, 2008 6:40:07 GMT -5
Steiner is nothing more than a bitter man because we all know that Triple H was doing damn well way before he starting seeing Steph and my opinion is that he's just doing what everyone does in their job they are working their way around. To me there are two types of workers, ones who just go in do their job and go home and there are the others like Triple H who bust their ass day after day and learn all aspects of the business and to me that's what makes anyone a great worker and that's how you get ahead in the real world!
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Post by shenmue on May 29, 2008 8:15:06 GMT -5
I find it higly amusing that he (and all the people who agree with him)
mentions HHH's jobbing in 1996 and fast forwards to to 2000-2002 wiithout even mentioning his 1997-2000 mega push, which happened without HHH dating the beautiful Steph.
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Post by ihavethepower on May 29, 2008 9:56:25 GMT -5
Some people here need a history lesson.
HHH was playing HBK's Bitch up until April 1998 when Shawn dropped the title to Austin and couldn't wrestle anymore. Only then did he get the lead role in DX. Austin was still on top in 98 and it wasn't until Austin got injured that HHH got thrown into the main event picture.
Now if you believe Chyna, she said that HHH was cheating on her for some time with Steph before he dropped Chyna for Steph. SO just because they were not a power couple on TV, doesn't mean that HHH wasn't bopping Steph behind the scenes in late 98 and 99. I choose to believe Chyna, crack whore that she is, because she was in those locker rooms and heard what people were saying and if anyone would know about a HHH/Steph affair, it would be her.
So let's see. HHH was #2 in DX until a Shawn Michaels injury. HHH was in the IC picture only, until Austin got injured. Seems to me that HHH was just in the right places at the right time while secretly screwing Steph and it wasn't his hard work that got him into his positions, but a string of injuries that left WWE no choice but to push him.
Take Austin out of the picture and there were only 3 real main event players in 98-99. Taker, The Rock, Foley. Of course they needed another person in there or else their 12 PPV's a year would have the same main events with just 3 people.
So it seems that HHH's mega push didn't really start until mid 98 at the earliest and that coincides with his cheating on Chyna with Steph.
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Post by bad guy™ on May 29, 2008 9:59:00 GMT -5
The Triple H thing is probably fact. But I dont believe the Michaels thing. As for the Flair thing, I was not a fan in those days, so I could not say. He is entitled to his own opinion, but I think this was just a publicity stunt for his own gain.
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Post by Chip on May 29, 2008 10:01:29 GMT -5
scott is just a bitter ex-star who couldnt get himself over in the WWE because he completely lost his talent and was burned out 5 minutes into every match. its just like all the other bitter guys who were kicked out, they all say the same crap "oh HHH runs everything, shawn is an ass, flair sucks, vince is a tyrant, the schedule is tough"
what do you say then when a guy like nick dinsmore (eugene) comes out afterwards and says how he had a great time, everyone was cool, the schedule isnt that bad, etc.
who do you believe? who has more of a reason to just say whatever he wants. steiner thinks that because he performs in front of maybe 2000 people at most now that he's a big star? he is way past his prime, and is nothing but a windbag but hey, we're all entitled to our own opinions
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Post by ihavethepower on May 29, 2008 10:21:57 GMT -5
Thanks to online world of wrestling, here is a PPV match by match breakdown of HHH starting after WM14 in 98
Unforgiven EUROPEAN TITLE MATCH: Triple H defeated Owen Hart to retain..
In Your House 6-MAN TAG: Owen Hart & D-Lo Brown & Kama Mustafa over Triple H & New Age Outlaws..
In Your house BEST 2/3 FALLS IC TITLE MATCH: The Rock (heel Champ) vs Triple H (babyface) w/Chyna went to a draw..
SummerSlam IC TITLE LADDER MATCH: Hunter Heurst Helmsley defeated The Rock to win the title!
Survivor Series The Rock defeated HHH in 1st round of Title Tournament
Capitol Carnage Hunter Hearst Helmsley pinned Jeff Jarrett
Rock Bottom IN A DARK MATCH Hunter Hearst Helmsley pinned Droz..
1999 Royal Rumble HHH eliminated by Austin after about 6 minutes in the match
WM15 GRUDGE MATCH: Kane (representing the Corporation) defeated Triple H (representing DX) by Disqualification..
Backlash GRUDGE MATCH: Triple H w/Chyna defeated X-Pac..
UK Only PPV No Mercy Steve Austin (WWF Champ) beat The Undertaker and Hunter Hearst Helmsley (15:07) in an "anything goes triangle" match when he pinned Helmsley.
Over The Edge MATCH: The Rock defeated Triple H w/Chyna by disqualification..
Fully Loaded #1 CONTENDERS MATCH: Triple H defeated The Rock with help from Chyna & Billy Gunn..
SummerSlam WWF TITLE 3-WAY: Mankind defeated Steve Austin (champion) & Triple H to win the title!!!
Unforgiven SIX PACK ChallengE: Triple H defeated The Rock and The Big Show and Kane and Mankind and British Bulldog!
UK Only PPV Rebellion WWF TITLE CAGE MATCH: Triple H defeated The Rock to retain..
No Mercy WWF TITLE MATCH (ANYTHING GOES): Triple H defeated Steve Austin to retain..
Survivor Series November 14, 1999-The Big Show beat Triple H and The Rock (16:15) in a "triangle" match to win the WWF World Title when he pinned Helmsley.
Raw 2 weeks later November 29, 1999 - RAW: Triple H interupted the wedding of Stephanie McMahon and Test.. ~~~Triple H revealed that he had drugged and married Stephanie the night before in Las Vegas..
Armageddon December 12, 1999 - Triple H defeated Vince McMahon when Stephanie turned on her father and joined Triple H!
That is every PPV appearance of HHH in 98 and 99. You'll see that he didn't get a title match until August of 99 at SummerSlam and then won his first title in September for a reign that last only 2 months til November. This coincides with Chyna's story of when HHH started cheating on her with Steph because Chyna says they were secretly together before they became an onscreen couple.
So I think what Steiner said about HHH is very accurate.
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Post by ihavethepower on May 29, 2008 10:24:35 GMT -5
what do you say then when a guy like nick dinsmore (eugene) comes out afterwards and says how he had a great time, everyone was cool, the schedule isnt that bad, etc. I say that it's a case of a drug addict who got fired and will say whatever and kiss whoever's ass in order to get his job back and earn good pay again. You think he's going to bash WWE when he's trying to get his job back? Puhlease! Such a terrible example to try and make your case.
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Post by Kliquid on May 29, 2008 10:57:58 GMT -5
What he's saying about all three men are completely true... Despite being considered "one of the best ever," Ric Flair could never DREAM of drawing like Hulk Hogan. Or The Rock. Or Steve Austin. Or any of the other top draws.
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on May 29, 2008 11:16:52 GMT -5
From what i have heard from guys in the know with the fed, sure HBK had a rep for being a wise ass and a trouble maker. he was young, who could blame him. On top of that, seriously... the Harris Brothers?...
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Post by ZMaster on May 29, 2008 11:44:30 GMT -5
It's his opinion and I'll leave it at that.
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Post by iyfwkidzc on May 29, 2008 12:19:12 GMT -5
Steiner is just a jealous turd that has no respect for anyone except his roided-up shitty self. in twat.
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Post by ihavethepower on May 29, 2008 12:34:02 GMT -5
From what i have heard from guys in the know with the fed, sure HBK had a rep for being a wise ass and a trouble maker. he was young, who could blame him. On top of that, seriously... the Harris Brothers?... He was young? The man was 30 years old at the time! If he didn't know how to treat other people in a business environment by the time he was 30, then that's pretty pathetic!
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Post by fallenhero on May 29, 2008 13:07:08 GMT -5
What was Steiner doing before he became a steroid freak? You're bashing Steiner for being a roid freak, yet you have THE BRITISH BULLDOG in your signature? I can't be the only one getting some sense of ing hilarious irony here.
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Post by Double J on May 29, 2008 13:10:11 GMT -5
I wish Scott Steiner had a newsletter I could subscribe to.
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Post by the hell demon on May 29, 2008 13:29:30 GMT -5
Great interview. Even though he is biased, he has been around the business a long time and has a plethora of stories that I would love to hear. Everyone already knows Flair is a snake, Trips is the new Vince, and Shawn back in the days was a huge bunghole.
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