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Post by 2cold on May 29, 2008 13:55:17 GMT -5
Steiner is entitled to his opinion. Whether you guys think he's stupid or not.
Steiner is semi-correct. The HHH statement is wrong. He didn't start doing Steph till 99/00. HHH was getting a push before that. Mostly because his envolvement with the Kliq.
I've heard the HBK story before. From the stories I've heard, Steiner's story is not hard to believe. But then again, that was before he "changed". He could be different now.
The Flair story is half and half. Flair did draw, but not as much as Hogan. I think Flair is plain better than Hogan, but that's my two cents on this.
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Post by the franchise on May 29, 2008 14:00:35 GMT -5
People don't have to like every wrestler they have worked with. Who really cares if he doesn't like those guys.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on May 29, 2008 14:58:43 GMT -5
From what i have heard from guys in the know with the fed, sure HBK had a rep for being a wise ass and a trouble maker. he was young, who could blame him. On top of that, seriously... the Harris Brothers?... He was young? The man was 30 years old at the time! If he didn't know how to treat other people in a business environment by the time he was 30, then that's pretty pathetic! theres no point mate,some fans are just in total denial.
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Post by larryz1 on May 29, 2008 15:25:36 GMT -5
A lot of what Steiner says sounds like total bull crap.
Like with his Rick Rude story. The timeline doesn't seem to fit and he acts like this happened when they were all working for WCW together. Flair left WCW in July 1991 and debuted in the WWF a month or two later. Rick Rude arrived in WCW in October 1991. When Flair return to WCW in early 1993 Rude was still there, but Steiner was with the WWF.
As far as Blackjack Mulligan goes, I heard he and Flair are very close. WWE actually provided him with transportation for Flair HOF induction.
Also, he was talking about Andre being buried when he was cremated at his ranch.
As for WCW not drawing in that time period. You have to look at a number of factors like a bad product and incompetent people running things. If you want to blame certain wrestlers being pushed then you also have to look at others besides Flair. Sting was given the title in 1990 and he reign was a bust. You can't soley blame Flair given that they were always trying to push him into retirement and the guys who were "the future" like Sting and Luger didn't really pan out.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2008 10:14:08 GMT -5
To be fair Triple H got his first real singles push before he was even with Stephanie and won his first WWF Championship before he was with Stephanie.
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Post by ihavethepower on May 30, 2008 10:44:22 GMT -5
To be fair Triple H got his first real singles push before he was even with Stephanie and won his first WWF Championship before he was with Stephanie. That's just not true! He got his first title reign 2 months before they became an on screen couple and Chyna says they were cheating on her behind her back before they became an onscreen couple. I mean for Christ's Sake. On one PPV in early 99, HHH was in the dark match before the camera's even started rolling. How much of a main eventer could he have been in the first half of 99 if he was in PPV dark matches?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2008 11:28:53 GMT -5
As for WCW not drawing in that time period. You have to look at a number of factors like a bad product and incompetent people running things. If you want to blame certain wrestlers being pushed then you also have to look at others besides Flair. Sting was given the title in 1990 and he reign was a bust. You can't soley blame Flair given that they were always trying to push him into retirement and the guys who were "the future" like Sting and Luger didn't really pan out. Sting and Luger don't claim to outsell arenas around the world and be the big attraction. NWA/WCW was never as big as the WWF until Hogan jumped ship and eventually helped WCW win the ratings war(for a good while).
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Post by Jimmy on May 30, 2008 15:04:27 GMT -5
when was steiner ever a draw? never.
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Post by Jimmy on May 30, 2008 15:06:30 GMT -5
To be fair Triple H got his first real singles push before he was even with Stephanie and won his first WWF Championship before he was with Stephanie. yeah but it was a truly insane push seeing as he was put over just about everyone in the company and still had no real heat as a top heel until he and stephanie turned on vince at armageddon.
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Post by No Brokeback on May 30, 2008 17:57:41 GMT -5
You know when Triple H started screwing Stefani when you look back in the early 2000s and all you saw was HHH vs The Rock in matches for a ing year it seemed I mean, wrestling was great in the early 00's but even then, HHH was racking up main event spots during EVERY Pay Per View with either 'The Rock or Mick Foley' and... it was annoying.
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Post by Mark on May 30, 2008 17:58:27 GMT -5
To be fair Triple H got his first real singles push before he was even with Stephanie and won his first WWF Championship before he was with Stephanie. That's just not true! He got his first title reign 2 months before they became an on screen couple and Chyna says they were cheating on her behind her back before they became an onscreen couple. I mean for Christ's Sake. On one PPV in early 99, HHH was in the dark match before the camera's even started rolling. How much of a main eventer could he have been in the first half of 99 if he was in PPV dark matches? Benoit was wrestling on ing Velocity while a world champion, whats your point?
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Post by ihavethepower on May 30, 2008 18:23:27 GMT -5
Benoit was wrestling on ing Velocity while a world champion, whats your point? My point to that would be that HHH was main eventing while Benoit was Champion and working Velocity. There's the point on that one. My original point was that HHH was working PPV dark matches 6 months before ing Steph and then he's World Champion. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened. He was languishing in an IC division that had the ing Godfather and Val Venis as Champions, then he schtoops Steph and voila, he's world Champion. My point is clear to anyone with an IQ.
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Post by Mark on May 30, 2008 18:56:07 GMT -5
He was paired with Steph, became top heel in the company, hell was top heel in the buisness in 2000. His push was already in full swing, he had already won the world title and by Jan 2000 he had already won 3 world titles and didnt even really start seeing Steph for real until mid 2000. And to add a few things, Name the PPV's he worked a dark match in. Then explain to me that he didnt recieve a push near the closing of 1999. We are not talking 2003, 2004 pal. Any person with an IQ could see that
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Post by Quanthor on May 30, 2008 20:29:51 GMT -5
I don't agree with the selections of the poll so I didn't vote.
Honestly, I think there is a tremendous amount of truth to what he said, however I would like a response from the other side of the storys.
Politics are played heavily in the wrestling business, in fact all of the most recognized wrestlers of all time were the best manipulation and politicking their way to the top. That's how they got so big.
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Post by Eskimo Joe on May 31, 2008 0:17:57 GMT -5
Steiner on Triple H: Look at Triple H’s career before he started (having sex with) the boss’ daughter: He lost to Ultimate Warrior in 30 seconds; he was losing to guys like Alex Wright in WCW; he lost to one of the Godwins in a pig slop match. And then all of a sudden he’s [having sex with] the boss’ daughter and he’s the toughest guy in the world. I’m not the only guy who thinks that. Says the man who lost to Test.
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Post by tnafan4life on May 31, 2008 0:23:15 GMT -5
Steiner on Triple H: Look at Triple H’s career before he started (having sex with) the boss’ daughter: He lost to Ultimate Warrior in 30 seconds; he was losing to guys like Alex Wright in WCW; he lost to one of the Godwins in a pig slop match. And then all of a sudden he’s [having sex with] the boss’ daughter and he’s the toughest guy in the world. I’m not the only guy who thinks that. Says the man who lost to Test. I would rather job out to Test than Alex Wright.
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Post by Eskimo Joe on May 31, 2008 1:06:39 GMT -5
Says the man who lost to Test. I would rather job out to Test than Alex Wright. Dude, I'd watch what you say. He's Das Wunderkind.
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Post by shogun on May 31, 2008 8:59:00 GMT -5
It's his opinion, why bash him for it. The Shawn Michaels & Triple H stories are 100% true. And you KNOW FOR A FACT they're true because you were there at the time, right? Sure I don't agree with the selections of the poll so I didn't vote. Honestly, I think there is a tremendous amount of truth to what he said, however I would like a response from the other side of the storys. Politics are played heavily in the wrestling business, in fact all of the most recognized wrestlers of all time were the best manipulation and politicking their way to the top. That's how they got so big.Some of them lift weights? ;D Regarding how Triple H got to the main event so quickly, it's the same as The Rock - half the company's main eventers were out with injuries at the time and Vince needed some guys to step up. Just so happens Triple H and The Rock were the best guys for the job, and they pretty much kept the company afloat from 99-01 Funny, because I seem to recall this crazy thing called D-Generation X that happened way before Stephanie McMahon was in the picture. Triple H had a natural progression in the company that had him jobbing for awhile and gradually reaching the top of the mountain. Steph came in right around the time he got into the main event scene, hell, even later than that if I recall correctly. There's no doubt he has an unfair advantage over the other boys for awhile now but to act as if he'd be a nobody without Steph is ignorant and narrow-minded. Quoted For Truth.
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Post by hardyboyzwwe on May 31, 2008 9:08:06 GMT -5
The thing I hate is, everybody thinks HHH married Steph Just to be at the top. Maybe she had a little help with him getting there, but hell, he is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. Your telling me that if you were married to a person that has a lot of Power in the WWE they wouldn't have anything to do with you being at the top (If you were). And All of these stories about HBK and HHH from the past the Backstage guys put on the internet are not always true. I mean, what if they just didn't like them or were jealous of them.
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Post by Returnal on Jun 3, 2008 2:20:09 GMT -5
Sorry to bump this but right now this is only on page 2 so i think it's alright to bump it.
I read every response here and 90% of you guys were saying "Oh Steiner is spot on" or "Steiner is wrong"
The question is:
How do you guys know? None of you have ever been in a WWE or WCW Lockeroom i doubt any of you have been in any wrestling promotions lockeroom ever.
Steiner was there he knows what happened and he has friends who were there at that time. Some loser smarks that live in mummys and daddys basement do not know **** about the workings in WCW and WWF...
Backstage at the shows i work isnt even that special anyway...So i don't know why the smarks care so much what happens behind that curtain
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