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Post by vandutch on Jun 4, 2008 12:50:53 GMT -5
I agree with lots of you on this thread. JBL and Punk are my top two choices. JBL has done nothing to entertain me and continues to be close to main event. Punk has never entertained me and I've never been a fan. It's a disgrace to the MITB to have him carrying it around on ECW.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 4, 2008 13:32:44 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is really "overated"....because it's fake. So nobody is out there really winning or losing or better than anybody else. It's really just being in the right time at the right place or knowing somebody that gets you a push. WWE can book anybody into becoming a huge star (John Cena), or they can make sure you never become a huge star (Matt Hardy). It has nothing to do with talent, ability, or what kind of wrestler you are.....really I guess it has to do with how marketable you are, and if people will pay to see you. Guys like Rock, Austin, Foley, Flair, Hogan....even Undertaker. They are all terrible wrestlers, but they acted out their parts well and people would pay a lot of money to see them, so they got lots of titles, lots of main events and are thought of as "legends". However, more talented people like Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, Matt Hardy.....they all toil in Mid-Card hell because for some reason WWE doesn't see them as top wrestlers, when in reality it's just that they aren't good enough ACTORS really, which is all the Main Eventers are.....all personality, no talent. Explain how Stone Cold Steve Austin and Ric Flair are "Terrible wrestlers" please..., being a GREAT wrestler has a lot to do with it, it is scripted not fake, its planned. You're not exactly saying that Jeff Hardy or John Cena could go out there and have a 5 star match with say Chris Benoit are you? Stone Cold, Rock, Flair, Undertaker.....they are "terrible wrestlers" because besides their signature and finishing moves....their ability in the ring was limited to very basic moves and every single one of their matches were basically exactly the same. However, their acting, charisma and personality was strong enough that nobody even notices how bad their matches were because every other aspects of their characters were so strong.
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Post by captain master talbot on Jun 4, 2008 13:39:43 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy, Kane, and Triple H.
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Post by HugoOne on Jun 4, 2008 13:44:21 GMT -5
Ric God damn FLAIR People come here, and because of idiots tell people that Ric Flair is a legend and the younger people believe them and want to fit in and join the bandwagon. Ric Flair is the most over-rated peice of crap in the buisness. He's always looked old, always has been boring in the ring, and the only time he's ever entertaining is when you see him turn red from yelling into a microphone. He's put down 'other' legends in the company who made themselves famous for putting their bodies on the line for the fans. He left the company because he felt he wasn't being used right on Smackdown and wanted to be 'on top. I doubt ANYONE watched or cared for the Four Horsemen rather than in DVD's they bought to feel more like 'classic' fans. He was never part of anything 'big'. He was the most unbelievable character in "evolution' which was also one of the most boring stables in the WWE. I think fans on this message board over-rate Ric Flair so damn much, that it's annoying. 13 year olds on here "Wow, man he's a legend'....yet they never even and couldn't watch during the time when he was nothing in the early days anyway. Who seriously cared about Ric Flair in the 80's? Have you ever watched Ric Flair before he came back to the WWE in 2002? Ric Flair IS a legend. You can ask anyone who's watched wrestling before the 90's what the ten best wrestling matches are from the past thirty years, and at least three of the top ten will be Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat. Those matches are classics for a reason. To say he was never a part of anything big is asinine. The Four Horsemen not only revolutionized the idea of a stable, but people still consider them the greatest faction in pro wrestling history. And if you'd rather look at current wrestlers like Shawn Michaels or Triple H, and praise them, you have to realize that they are the wrestlers they are because they looked up to and watched Ric Flair matches growing up, and idolized him. Nobody gets standing ovation after standing ovation, not to mention an entire twenty minute segment on Raw to commemorate his farewell, if they're overrated. I think Kennedy's a bit overrated. I love the character but as far as in-ring work, I haven't seen anything impressive yet. Maybe he has it in him, but I'm still waiting for him to be in that great match that makes him.
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Post by HugoOne on Jun 4, 2008 13:47:45 GMT -5
Explain how Stone Cold Steve Austin and Ric Flair are "Terrible wrestlers" please..., being a GREAT wrestler has a lot to do with it, it is scripted not fake, its planned. You're not exactly saying that Jeff Hardy or John Cena could go out there and have a 5 star match with say Chris Benoit are you? Stone Cold, Rock, Flair, Undertaker.....they are "terrible wrestlers" because besides their signature and finishing moves....their ability in the ring was limited to very basic moves and every single one of their matches were basically exactly the same. However, their acting, charisma and personality was strong enough that nobody even notices how bad their matches were because every other aspects of their characters were so strong. Discounting Flair from that last, considering none of his matches were the same, as he was able to have three different five star matches with the same wrestler... You should watch some Austin pre-98. I'm not bashing you because most of Austin from 98-03 or whatever was the same trademark moves and a whole lot of brawling, but Austin used to be a fantastic wrestler. Austin-Hart from Survivor Series 96 is a classic wrestling match that shows what Austin can do, include hanging with Bret Hart. I'm also, for the sake of argument, going to say that Undertaker is a pretty damn good wrestler, but nobody had much of a chance to notice considering his early opponents ranged from Hulk Hogan to Kamala to Yokozuna to Mabel. He was given horrible opponents so he never got much of a chance to show what he can do. His matches with Angle, Edge, Triple H, and Orton have showed me that there is an actual wrestler behind the gimmick.
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Post by the franchise on Jun 4, 2008 13:57:10 GMT -5
Kane has no good qualities about him. Everything he does is just average or below.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jun 4, 2008 13:58:23 GMT -5
HHH - Back in 2000, yes, he was one of the best wrestlers around. Since his first quad injury, I can't remember any one on one match he's had that has been outstanding to watch. In his own mind, he's a legend or the best in the business. Eight years ago, he was a damn good wrestler, now, he's living off that rep. He's been stale for 8 friggin years. I agree and disagree, he is stale and hasn't been as good since 2001 but his matches with HBK (After the surgery) were amazing.
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Post by COCK & BLAST on Jun 4, 2008 14:08:29 GMT -5
Cena wins this by far. The guy is extremely overrated and can't wrestle his way out of a wet paper bag.
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Post by khalicantwrestle on Jun 4, 2008 14:15:47 GMT -5
Cena wins this by far. The guy is extremely overrated and can't wrestle his way out of a wet paper bag. Stop stealing posts from 2 years ago
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Post by Leor on Jun 4, 2008 14:16:38 GMT -5
Randy Orton Ken Kennedy Triple H
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Post by OverTheEdge on Jun 4, 2008 14:44:54 GMT -5
I thought it would be interesting to get some opinions, who or what in WWE do you think is the most overrated. For me: Jeff Hardy- i just cant view the guy as higher than a mid carder Batistas title shots and reigns- Sure cena gets a lot of heat for them but look at batista, 14 matches in a row one time and has had too many than deserved Edge- I just dont see this guy as a valid multiple champ as he is, he isnt much in the ring without the gimmick matches lately as he barely wrestles or anything, gimmick or not. CM Punk- he blew out, he climaxed and declined, he needs to be repushed and be given a minor overhaul to give MITB credibility Cryme Tyme- I barely find them entertaining in any way, they are pretty mediocre in my view and are a waste of WWEs television space Those are some of mine, so what in WWE do you think is most overrated? I find it ironic how you list Jeff Hardy, Edge, Punk, and even Batista, yet you're like Mr. Kane. Don't get me wrong, you're free to have your opinions, but to see those guys as being overrated and not Kane...
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Jun 4, 2008 15:18:24 GMT -5
Mr. Kennedy- Basically a one-trick pony in terms of mic work... he can cut a generic cocky guy promo and shout his catchphrase after. His ring skills are average at best. Zach Gowen could count all Kennedy's great matches on his left foot. Jeff Hardy- Horrible delivery when it comes to promos, poor mic/acting skills in general, nothing special about his in-ring work outside of his typical spots. Basically got popular based off his appearance, risk-taking, and the 'extreme' gimmick younger people gravitate towards. Isn't main event material outside of ECW. You basically summer up my thoughts on this topic, couldn't have said it any better.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jun 5, 2008 0:52:51 GMT -5
Kennedy, MVP and Morrison.. Kennedy is decidedly average - his promos are the same old repetive crap, and he is nothing short of mediocre in the ring.. He's done absoutely nothing to justify all the talk on here about how he should be WWE champion.. They seem to be trying to mould him into the next Austin - except he has neither the talent or likeability and he is nowhere near as charismatic as Stone Cold.. MVP.. now, granted he has excellent mic skills - but these are negated by his somewhat inferior ring-work, IMO.. I just cannot see what everybody sees in him, when it comes to his wrestling ability.. IMO, he hasn't had a decent match, since his two matches with Benoit.. Lastly, Morrison.. Not that great of a wrestler, and relies mostly on extravagant kicks and flips.. His mic work is still poor, and he has little to no personality or charisma.. He doesn't entertain me in the least.. I'm not getting into the subject of Punk being overrated - but I will just say that I find it funny when people cite decisions by management and the booking, as a reason for somebody being overrated..
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Post by hurricane on Jun 5, 2008 0:59:35 GMT -5
CM Punk.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jun 5, 2008 3:14:40 GMT -5
Did you ever watch Ric Flair before he was in WWF in 1992? Because I did..and still hated him everytime he wrestled. No, it wasn't because he was a heel, he just had an annoying look, and he looked like a ing 90 year old boring generic person. Tell me, did you watch wrestling before the 90's? Cause I did that as well. Hell I still remember ing HATING ZEUS at summerslam 89 as a kid because he was just ing power. Sure, he might have been a ****ty wrestler, but back in that time, it didn't matter. YA KNOW WHY? The characters wrestlers chose to be fit their look almost perfect. As crazy and stupid as some of them were, the wrestlers fit the character quite well.....except for the appauling Red Rooster. Who watched the Four Horseman as it took place, that posts on this board to even know? Thats because WWE has hyped the 'leaving' up. Mick Foley, The Undertaker, Austin, The Rock all as well got standing ovations. Hell, even the Hardy's after their insane ladder matches because they almost killed themselves. If WWE hypes up something, no matter who it is, it's going to be HUGE. Example..WHO THE cared about Lashley when he came out on Raw as a surprise opponent for someone? NO ONE, but when I was there live, the ing arena went **** nuts! Why? Because WWE hyped him so well.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jun 5, 2008 3:23:45 GMT -5
Did you ever watch Ric Flair before he was in WWF in 1992? Because I did..and still hated him everytime he wrestled. No, it wasn't because he was a heel, he just had an annoying look, and he looked like a ing 90 year old boring generic person. Tell me, did you watch wrestling before the 90's? Cause I did that as well. Hell I still remember ing HATING ZEUS at summerslam 89 as a kid because he was just ing power. Sure, he might have been a ****ty wrestler, but back in that time, it didn't matter. At two years old?.. I don't think so - you wouldn't even have been able to understand what the hell was going on..
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Post by No Brokeback on Jun 5, 2008 3:26:11 GMT -5
Did you ever watch Ric Flair before he was in WWF in 1992? Because I did..and still hated him everytime he wrestled. No, it wasn't because he was a heel, he just had an annoying look, and he looked like a ing 90 year old boring generic person. Tell me, did you watch wrestling before the 90's? Cause I did that as well. Hell I still remember ing HATING ZEUS at summerslam 89 as a kid because he was just ing power. Sure, he might have been a ****ty wrestler, but back in that time, it didn't matter. At two years old?.. I don't think so - you wouldn't even be able to understand what the hell was going on.. All I need to know that my yellow friend was getting beat buy a big scary guy.
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Post by TeamExtreme718x on Jun 5, 2008 9:42:14 GMT -5
Triple H-Hes stale and boring as a the HW champion..This is 2008..Enough is enough..
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Post by T1 on Jun 5, 2008 9:51:46 GMT -5
Randy Orton- Average wrestler at best, boring persona, little charisma, and has a legion of fans...
Mr. Kennedy- Average wrestler, little charisma, ripoff of The Rock's attire...
Jeff Hardy- Just a spot monkey. Could be mildly entertaining when he does his stunts, but you don't see them THAT often..
Kofi Kingston- Unique style, but you basically see it every match. And it's not that great to begin with.
Ted DiBiase Jr- Being hyped so much, there's no way he could live up to it.
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Post by stoningtonj on Jun 5, 2008 9:55:43 GMT -5
Probably BAtista...Hes just big but cant wrestle...At all....but theres alot of guys like that in WWE...Big SHow....KHAli...also cant do anything...all he does is walk like he pooped his pants....WWE is the place to go if you have no talent besides look kinda scary...But really...They need to rid themselves of these 3...and Jim ROss....He also is overrated...They need to let Joey Styles back on RAW.
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