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Post by Lennon on Jun 10, 2008 22:04:57 GMT -5
No, it's ludicrous. I liked being a bagboy at Winn-Dixie when I was 16, and it's where I got my start. But eventually I left. I don't think that is selling out. He left something he loved to do something else he loved, that also won't cripple him. The Rock doesn't owe anyone anything, and to think he ought to sacrifice his career to stay in wrestling is completley moronic. The Rock is one of my all-time favorites, and I miss him terribly, but I am very happy for him, and support his decision to leave 100%. Replace "Bagboy" with "Pizza guy" and you've pretty much said everything I would have
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Post by Smash on Jun 10, 2008 22:06:41 GMT -5
No, it's ludicrous. I liked being a bagboy at Winn-Dixie when I was 16, and it's where I got my start. But eventually I left. I don't think that is selling out. He left something he loved to do something else he loved, that also won't cripple him. The Rock doesn't owe anyone anything, and to think he ought to sacrifice his career to stay in wrestling is completley moronic. The Rock is one of my all-time favorites, and I miss him terribly, but I am very happy for him, and support his decision to leave 100%. Replace "Bagboy" with "Pizza guy" and you've pretty much said everything I would have A pizza guy at Winn-Dixie...nice.
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Post by Lennon on Jun 10, 2008 22:09:18 GMT -5
Replace "Bagboy" with "Pizza guy" and you've pretty much said everything I would have A pizza guy at Winn-Dixie...nice. ....Well, it obviously wasn't Winn-Dixie...
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Post by FleshyOne on Jun 10, 2008 22:23:29 GMT -5
Nope.
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Post by Patriot174 on Jun 10, 2008 22:28:40 GMT -5
This is like asking if Arnold Schwarzenegger sold out when he left Bodybuilding for movies. The answer is No! You could have more then one passion in life, and still love the other one. Its called moving on and growing as a person. Which a lot of wrestlers should do before their time passes. Thank you for pointing this out. Dwayne simply chose to move on to something somewhat less demanding and more beneficial to him. Put yourself in his situation. If you, at the age of 30, were given the choice of: a) being on the road 4-6 days a week, 50 weeks a year, putting your physical well-being on the line, sacrificing your personal (family) life, and making 6-7 figures a year -or- b) working a total of 2-3 months (per film) a year, taking less of a toll on your body, being able to spend much more time with your family, and making 8 figures a moviewhat would you choose? He is now more financially secure at this point in his life and did it without cutting so much of his life by doing so much harm in the ring. Would I want him to make more of an appearance for the WWE than filming a 1-2 minute promo? Defnitely. I'm pretty damn sure a good majority of people would love to see him step into the ring more often. Hell, look at the reaction he got in March at Orlando. It'd be great to see him a little more appreciation to where he got his start. But, he's simply moved on to something that was better for him. He will be able to support his daughter for the rest of his life, have more time to see her grow up, and better yet, be able to actively particpate in anything she does without having to take multiple painkillers in order to move around.
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Post by Fury on Jun 10, 2008 22:30:57 GMT -5
The Rock doesn't owe the wrestling business anything, if anything the wrestling business owes The Rock.
The general perception of wrestlers is that their muscleheads plain and simple but when The Rock is in a comedy/action/drama movie a part of it is him representing wrestling and taking away that perception that they are more than that.
Without The Rock, John Cena/Kane/Austin/Triple H/Jericho etc. would not have been able to make a temporary or in Jericho's case an attempted permanent but failed move into the Hollywood domain and be recognised on a more global level.
Put in the fact that every time The Rock when out there in the wrestling ring he gave 100% and gave the fans plenty of entertainment and memories in the process.
Quite simply put it The Rock did not "sell out" by moving into a domain that he loves more than his previous one which he gave a damn well lot to.
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Post by iyfwkidzc on Jun 10, 2008 22:54:00 GMT -5
The Rock doesn't owe the wrestling business anything, if anything the wrestling business owes The Rock. The general perception of wrestlers is that their muscleheads plain and simple but when The Rock is in a comedy/action/drama movie a part of it is him representing wrestling and taking away that perception that they are more than that. Without The Rock, John Cena/Kane/Austin/Triple H/Jericho etc. would not have been able to make a temporary or in Jericho's case an attempted permanent but failed move into the Hollywood domain and be recognised on a more global level. Put in the fact that every time The Rock when out there in the wrestling ring he gave 100% and gave the fans plenty of entertainment and memories in the process. Quite simply put it The Rock did not "sell out" by moving into a domain that he loves more than his previous one which he gave a damn well lot to. Agreed.
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Post by chumped on Jun 10, 2008 23:01:45 GMT -5
The Rock doesn't owe the wrestling business anything, if anything the wrestling business owes The Rock. The general perception of wrestlers is that their muscleheads plain and simple but when The Rock is in a comedy/action/drama movie a part of it is him representing wrestling and taking away that perception that they are more than that. Without The Rock, John Cena/Kane/Austin/Triple H/Jericho etc. would not have been able to make a temporary or in Jericho's case an attempted permanent but failed move into the Hollywood domain and be recognised on a more global level. Put in the fact that every time The Rock when out there in the wrestling ring he gave 100% and gave the fans plenty of entertainment and memories in the process. Quite simply put it The Rock did not "sell out" by moving into a domain that he loves more than his previous one which he gave a damn well lot to. This.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2008 0:10:59 GMT -5
No. He found a new passion in life, became very successful with it, and moved on. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 11, 2008 0:36:49 GMT -5
Personally, I feel like he did. I was proud of him for coming back early in 2002 when Austin bailed. The WWE needed a star & he answered the call. The WWE needed stars badly, but Rock acted as if he didnt know what wrestling was. I understand he has a live outside of wrestling now, but he turned his back on the people who made him. Had it not been for wrestling, he would probably be a no body. Thats why I take the term "remember where you came from" personally. The Rock obviously forgot. I could write a freaking book on this topic & how I feel about it, but I'm just going to leave it at this.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Jun 11, 2008 0:52:12 GMT -5
I think he sold out, now look I understand leaving something that eats away at your body for something a lot easier for your entire life but would it kill him to pop in once or twice a year. A reason I get upset at him is because A while back he would always say ''I'll be back'' in a video package when WWE would promote a movie of his, yet he can't pop in one night on RAW and do a little promo and maybe rock bottom somebody or just do a quick promo and get out. He showed up at the HOF induction ceremony and supposedly rubs people the wrong way and jets out to film a movie. If he pops in once or twice a year I will forgive him.
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Post by WinterMike on Jun 11, 2008 1:54:05 GMT -5
I think he sold out, now look I understand leaving something that eats away at your body for something a lot easier for your entire life but would it kill him to pop in once or twice a year. A reason I get upset at him is because A while back he would always say ''I'll be back'' in a video package when WWE would promote a movie of his, yet he can't pop in one night on RAW and do a little promo and maybe rock bottom somebody or just do a quick promo and get out. He showed up at the HOF induction ceremony and supposedly rubs people the wrong way and jets out to film a movie. If he pops in once or twice a year I will forgive him. Honestly, the company is not plugging every one of his movies so there is no need to pop in. He does not owe the company a thing, that also includes appearances. Does he owe the origin of his fame to WWE? Yes. However, it is not like his success in WWE only benefited him, it was mutually beneficial for both parties, so he is not in debt to the company in any way. So unless they are doing a favor for him he does not have to stop by or pop in at all if he does not want to. This is like saying you need to stop by your old job because you left and gained all your experience from that job. Also the WWE would plug his films because Vince owned the name "The Rock" and therefore gained royalties through it, if I am not mistaken. So even the plugging of the movies equally benefited both parties. Personally, I feel like he did. I was proud of him for coming back early in 2002 when Austin bailed. The WWE needed a star & he answered the call. The WWE needed stars badly, but Rock acted as if he didnt know what wrestling was. I understand he has a live outside of wrestling now, but he turned his back on the people who made him. Had it not been for wrestling, he would probably be a no body. Thats why I take the term "remember where you came from" personally. The Rock obviously forgot. I could write a freaking book on this topic & how I feel about it, but I'm just going to leave it at this. He did not turn his back on anyone, he never denies where he came from or down plays what the fans did for him. Honestly, what does he do that shows he "forgets where he came from"? You said it yourself he helped out in 2002 and put over what WWE was billing as their next big main eventer. By your logic I need to back to my job I am leaving this year because they are looking to have a suspect year of new people that can not hold up the same job performance I could. This is not my obligation to do so, nor am I turning my back on my former employer for not helping. Like I mentioned above, The Rock's fame is due in part to WWE but WWE also benefited. The relationship was mutually beneficial to both parties, they both made money and The Rock got exposure. When he left, he left helping out other talent and not building up his ego. I understand you might feel differently but when you look what he did for the industry and company as well you will realize that he was not the only beneficiary in the relationship.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 11, 2008 2:00:22 GMT -5
Dwayne has every right to leave wrestling and pursue acting if he wants to. This is America and the American Dream is that you should be able to pursue whatever you want that makes you happy.
HOWEVER, I believe that if it was not for his time in the WWF/WWE, Dwayne would have not ever become a celebrity, thus never been able to act in movies. I believe he OWES his fame to the recognition he built up in the WWF/WWE and that his popularity with the wrestling fans had a great deal to do with him becoming a "somewhat" successful movie star.
I do however think it is disrespectful of him to, except for the 2008 WWE Hall of Fame, refuse to take part in any WWE tribute or Anniversary Shows which honor his wrestling accomplishments, as well as the accomplishments of his peers from the "Attitude Era".
It is also most hurtful and disrespectful when he does interviews with magazines and on TV and makes statements such as "The Rock is dead", which is insulting to the fans of Pro Wrestling who in all accounts made him popular and still hold him in a high regard.
So my message to Dwayne Johnson is this: You don't have to ever comeback. You don't ever have to wrestle another match. Hell, you don't even ever have to appear as "The Rock" on TV or PPV again....but don't INSULT US from the safety of Hollywood and make statements that "The Rock is dead" and act like Pro Wrestling is BENEATH YOU when we all know that EVERYTHING YOU HAVE IN LIFE is as a result of PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jun 11, 2008 2:21:54 GMT -5
I don't think he "sold out" at all. Did WWE give him his break? Sure. But he also kept WWE afloat during the monday night wars. He is one of the main reasons WWE is still around.
And "The Rock" is dead. He is no longer that man. If he ever wants to be taken seriously in movies he cannot go around calling himself The Rock. That is just dumb.
Do I miss Rocky? Hell yeah. Do I think he owes us anything at all? Nope. You wanna go see the guy go watch Get Smart. There you go. He's not like some old wrestlers who disapear. Dwayne is still around.
He is just entertaining us on another format that's all.
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Post by tekena on Jun 11, 2008 2:34:44 GMT -5
he did not sell out he is just ungreatful
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Post by Mark on Jun 11, 2008 2:36:54 GMT -5
the rock rules and he is the people's champion. he didnt sell out. he sold out arenas yah but he still loves the people
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Post by "Jefe" on Jun 11, 2008 3:13:45 GMT -5
He didnt sell out he just went on to do something different ultimately a more successful industry, but his disrespect for WWE is what bothers me not coming back ever at all not even to talk.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jun 11, 2008 3:26:47 GMT -5
Eh, not really. It's not like he dumbed himself down for commericial appeal. He shifted focus with his life. Wrestling wasn't that important to him anymore, he obviously enjoyed the acting and comedy a lot, so if he could jump into something that allows him to shine in that area without the physical detriment and travel, why not? I'd rather have a Rock that wants to be there than one that is just doing his rounds.
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Post by eso on Jun 11, 2008 4:26:09 GMT -5
no.
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Post by juggarnautmofo on Jun 11, 2008 4:49:58 GMT -5
No, i do not think the rock sold out on WWE because look at it this way and i dont think i have ever seen this mentioned before, but the Rock going off and making movies and all that is what the WWE wanted, the WWE thought that if the Rock went out and did these other projects on the side of his wrestling that they thought it would bring more of a fan base to the WWE and in turn it just made the Rock more of a star and didnt really bring any credibility to the WWE, so it was really the WWE shooting themselves in the own foot and you can tell that he could do other stuff outside of wrestling after his 1st appearence he made hosting on SNL and all that in the beginning was all WWE, the WWE couldve easily said "No we do not want the Rock hosting SNL or going off and having a cameo in the Mummy Returns or being the leading role in the Scorpion King" but instead of doing that they let him because they thought it would bring more media attention to the Wrestlemania that year and WWE in general but instead it made the Rock actually bigger then the WWE and after the Scorpion King came out it was too late he was way too big of a star now to go back and do wrestling the rest of his career so the right choice was to work out the rest of his contract and pursue a hollywood career eventhough that means starring in crapty movies like Be Cool
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