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Post by Kliquid on Jun 12, 2008 19:44:19 GMT -5
Diego Sanchez
Lyoto Machida
Marcio Cruz
Travis Lutter
Nick Diaz
Nate Diaz
Kenny Florian
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Post by murdaspace on Jun 12, 2008 23:20:32 GMT -5
anyone from the TUF most don't deserve to be in the ufc
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Post by DWright on Jun 12, 2008 23:37:36 GMT -5
anyone from the TUF most don't deserve to be in the ufc You just lost any credability you were searching for by posting here. This quote alone is the stupidest thing people say about TUF and a HORRIBLE misconception. Look at the top 10 rankings in most fields of Mixed Martial Arts, for each weight class... You're telling me: Forrest Griffin Keith Jardine Rashad Evans Josh Koscheck Diego Sanchez Marcus Davis Mike Swick Kenny Florian Joe Stevenson Stephan Bonnar Nate Quarry Michael Bisping Mac Danzig Nate Diaz Joe Lauzon Josh Burkman Matt Hamill Gray Maynard I'm sure I missed a few... But these guys don't belong in the UFC/WEC? Really? Based on what, the fact that they were on a reality show that helped LAUNCH MMA to become a bigger house hold name that it is today? Seriously, stop talking out of your ass. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jun 13, 2008 4:02:48 GMT -5
Tp the people who talk crapabout Kos honestly he is only like that for the tv. If you ever get a chance to meet him he is probably the nicest dude. I have been training with him at AKA for the last 3 years and he has tought me ALOT. He just plays it up for the camera's. As for the list: Baroni (I have stated my story about the guy before. If you want to read it look a few pages back) Hughes (thinks he is holy'er than tho) Tim Sylvia (nice guy in person just cannot stand to see fight at all) The Diaz's (talk with  ing marbles in their mouth's) Melvin Guillard (cannot stand his attitude at all) |
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Post by BIGticket5 on Jun 13, 2008 10:58:45 GMT -5
anyone from the TUF most don't deserve to be in the ufc You just lost any credability you were searching for by posting here. This quote alone is the stupidest thing people say about TUF and a HORRIBLE misconception. Look at the top 10 rankings in most fields of Mixed Martial Arts, for each weight class... You're telling me: Forrest Griffin Keith Jardine Rashad Evans Josh Koscheck Diego Sanchez Marcus Davis Mike Swick Kenny Florian Joe Stevenson Stephan Bonnar Nate Quarry Michael Bisping Mac Danzig Nate Diaz Joe Lauzon Josh Burkman Matt Hamill Gray Maynard I'm sure I missed a few... But these guys don't belong in the UFC/WEC? Really? Based on what, the fact that they were on a reality show that helped LAUNCH MMA to become a bigger house hold name that it is today? Seriously, stop talking out of your ass. so true. besides most of the guys on tuf have some experience prior to the show anyways or dana wouldn't let 'em be there. look at credeur, he was about to retire before his wife urged him to give the show a try. however, cb and jt both rub me the wrong way. cb b/c as forrest said, " that's the worst, when a guy says what he's gonna do to you and then backs it up". he's just too fukking arrogant. and jt b/c he just doesn't take care of himself enough to be great. he needs serious professional help! |
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Post by zombiesx on Jun 13, 2008 13:05:50 GMT -5
anyone from the TUF most don't deserve to be in the ufc Actually man, I watched like one episode they seem to be ok, so yeah I would not mind seeing them. |
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Post by ajstyles888 on Jun 13, 2008 13:13:13 GMT -5
anyone from the TUF most don't deserve to be in the ufc Actually man, I watched like one episode they seem to be ok, so yeah I would not mind seeing them. Zombiesz, don't listen to '' KYJ '' because he dosen't know what he's talking about. - Iron Heart |
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Post by zombiesx on Jun 13, 2008 13:56:52 GMT -5
Actually man, I watched like one episode they seem to be ok, so yeah I would not mind seeing them. Zombiesz, don't listen to '' KYJ '' because he dosen't know what he's talking about. - Iron Heart Oh I know not to, because they all seemed cool, except when the one guy pissed all over himself, which was quite random to see. |
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Post by ajstyles888 on Jun 13, 2008 15:36:13 GMT -5
Zombiesz, don't listen to '' KYJ '' because he dosen't know what he's talking about. - Iron Heart Oh I know not to, because they all seemed cool, except when the one guy pissed all over himself, which was quite random to see. Yea the dude that took a leak on himself was Jessie Taylor or '' JT Money '' lol .. He's a good fighter, but it dosen't appear that he takes good enough care of himself to be a champion. - Iron Heart |
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Post by murdaspace on Jun 13, 2008 23:04:05 GMT -5
anyone from the TUF most don't deserve to be in the ufc You just lost any credability you were searching for by posting here. This quote alone is the stupidest thing people say about TUF and a HORRIBLE misconception. Look at the top 10 rankings in most fields of Mixed Martial Arts, for each weight class... i saw you correct someone's spelling in another thread maybe you need to learn how to spell credibility before you correct people, and i don't feel like posting all the cans these guys have beaten and don't really feel like arguing on the internet. you don't like my opinion, i don't really care. i have been a mma fan for a very long time, and because the media cannot control me and tell my who the great fighters are. i also can't believe you put jardine on your list total joke had a fluke win over chuck after a very bad ko. You're telling me: Forrest Griffin Keith Jardine Rashad Evans Josh Koscheck Diego Sanchez Marcus Davis Mike Swick Kenny Florian Joe Stevenson Stephan Bonnar Nate Quarry Michael Bisping Mac Danzig Nate Diaz Joe Lauzon Josh Burkman Matt Hamill Gray Maynard I'm sure I missed a few... But these guys don't belong in the UFC/WEC? Really? Based on what, the fact that they were on a reality show that helped LAUNCH MMA to become a bigger house hold name that it is today? Seriously, stop talking out of your ass. |
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Post by DWright on Jun 13, 2008 23:30:27 GMT -5
You just lost any credability you were searching for by posting here. This quote alone is the stupidest thing people say about TUF and a HORRIBLE misconception. Look at the top 10 rankings in most fields of Mixed Martial Arts, for each weight class... i saw you correct someone's spelling in another thread maybe you need to learn how to spell credibility before you correct people, and i don't feel like posting all the cans these guys have beaten and don't really feel like arguing on the internet. you don't like my opinion, i don't really care. i have been a mma fan for a very long time, and because the media cannot control me and tell my who the great fighters are. i also can't believe you put jardine on your list total joke had a fluke win over chuck after a very bad ko. You're telling me: Forrest Griffin Keith Jardine Rashad Evans Josh Koscheck Diego Sanchez Marcus Davis Mike Swick Kenny Florian Joe Stevenson Stephan Bonnar Nate Quarry Michael Bisping Mac Danzig Nate Diaz Joe Lauzon Josh Burkman Matt Hamill Gray Maynard I'm sure I missed a few... But these guys don't belong in the UFC/WEC? Really? Based on what, the fact that they were on a reality show that helped LAUNCH MMA to become a bigger house hold name that it is today? Seriously, stop talking out of your ass. haha, a typo. My apologies. And your opinions have no basis behind them at all. There should be a reason you feel the guys from TUF "Don't belong." Forrest Griffin - One of the top 10 LHW in the WORLD. Went to a controversial split with Tito Ortiz. Has beat Chael Sonnen. Has beat Jeff Monson. Has beat Shogun. But...of course, he doesn't belong. The "media" is fooling you. Keith Jardine - In and out of the top 10 LHW in the WORLD. The person you "can't believe" I put up there. Has beat Forrest Griffin and Chuck Liddell. And don't give me that "fluke" bull ****. He was the better fighter that night, period. Rashad Evans - One of the top 10 LHW in the WORLD. DRAW vs Tito Ortiz. Wins over Michael Bisping, Jason Lambert, Stephan Bonnar. Won TUF as a HW. Josh Koscheck - One of the top 10 WW in the WORLD. Wins over Dustin Hazelett and Diego Sanchez. Went the distance with WW champion, GSP. Diego Sanchez - One of the top 10 WW in the WORLD. Wins over Kenny Florian, Nick Diaz, Karo Parisyan and Joe Riggs. Went the distance to a split in a GREAT fight with Jon Fitch. (who btw, is a TUF reject, and the #1 contender for the WW title) Marcus Davis - In and out of the top 10 WW in the WORLD. Wins over Jesse Liaudin, great fight and win over Paul Taylor, Shonie Carter. Mike Swick - Now one of the top 10 WW in the WORLD. Wins over Joe Riggs, Marcus Davis, David Loiseau. Kenny Florian - One of the top 10 LW in the WORLD. Wins over Sam Stout, Alvin Robinson, Din Thomas, Joe Lauzon. Went the distance in title fight vs Sean Sherk. ...I'm getting bored with this. Joe Stevenson - One of the top 10 LW in the WORLD. Stephan Bonnar - Great showing in UFC in the LHW division. Puts on great fights, real warrior. Battles. Nate Quarry - One of the better MW in the UFC. Back from his injury, potential to be a top 10 MW. Michael Bisping - One of the top 10 MW in the world. Yaaaaaaaawn... Mac Danzig - Has the potential to be one of the top 10 LW in the world. Was about to be picked up by the UFC, was instead invited to be on TUF. Nate Diaz - One of the top 10 in the UFC. Potential to be top 10 LW in the world by years end. Diaz pedigree. Joe Lauzon - One of the better LW in the UFC. Could easily drop to 145 and contend immediately in WEC. Infamous for KO over Jens Pulver. Josh Burkman - Helps fill out WW division. One of the better and more exciting fighters in the UFC. Dating Arriayana (who cares how her name is spelled), that should be enough. A true warrior. Matt Hamill - One of the better LHW in the UFC, well on his way to being in the top 10. With a couple more fights, will be a true force. Gray Maynard - One of the top 10 LW in the UFC, and possibly the world, after beating Frankie Edgar. Improves each fight... I'm missing many, I'm sure. But yeah, you're right. These guys don't belong in the UFC. Whoever does TUF is awful. You may have your "opinion" but you have no reason for it. An opinion should be backed with facts and reasons. You have none. Therefore...your opinion is ****. |
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Post by murdaspace on Jun 14, 2008 1:38:22 GMT -5
the guys bisping beat are not that good
davis beat shonie that is tough to do
joe stevenson good fighter
kos is probably going to be the best of the bunch
jardine 13-4 i checked every guy he beat could not even find a record for most of them, to say he has a glass jaw would be a compliment to the guy
quarry beat drago another tough cookie, shonie and was knocked out so bad when he stepped up in comp i thought he was dead
forrest got a win over and out of shape shogun who had not fought in over a year was smashed in the first round by tito fight probably should have been stopped , lets see how he does against rampage, but griffin did have some big wins before tuf.
most of these guys get on the show because of who they know, hell there were at least 4 guys on this season without a fight.
i am only trying these guys are not the elite or they would not have to go on the show
i am very impressed with k flo made huge strides over the last few years.
these guys are put on the show made a household name saw the everyday joe will want to cheer for them, and then they are put in there with guys that are less than stellar to boost there record. then when the big match comes it is lights out
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Post by DWright on Jun 14, 2008 1:52:51 GMT -5
the guys bisping beat are not that good davis beat shonie that is tough to do joe stevenson good fighter kos is probably going to be the best of the bunch jardine 13-4 i checked every guy he beat could not even find a record for most of them, to say he has a glass jaw would be a compliment to the guy quarry beat drago another tough cookie, shonie and was knocked out so bad when he stepped up in comp i thought he was dead forrest got a win over and out of shape shogun who had not fought in over a year was smashed in the first round by tito fight probably should have been stopped , lets see how he does against rampage, but griffin did have some big wins before tuf. most of these guys get on the show because of who they know, hell there were at least 4 guys on this season without a fight. i am only trying these guys are not the elite or they would not have to go on the show i am very impressed with k flo made huge strides over the last few years. these guys are put on the show made a household name saw the everyday joe will want to cheer for them, and then they are put in there with guys that are less than stellar to boost there record. then when the big match comes it is lights out Michael Bisping was 15-0 before being beat by another member of TUF. 15-0 is still 15-0. Marcus Davis has made HUGE strides. Boxer turned MMA fighter. Then ripped off 11 wins in a row, and was ranked in the top 10 WW in the world before his loss to Mike Swick (another TUF alumn...who is now a top 10 WW) Keith Jardine has beat Forrest Griffin AND Chuck Liddell. Did you find records for them? Nate Quarry has come back from an injury that almost ended his career which cost him 2 years. He could become a big force in the MW division given a few more fights. People STILL say Griffin beat Tito. (I'm one of them) and beat Shogun (no matter what excuses you're trying to come up with)...and it was 7 months. I don't even know what half of that says. But I gave you a long list of people that TUF has produced that do indeed belong in the UFC. All you did was come up with petty excuses and couldn't come up with a rebuttal to defend why you think they don't. Does EVERYONE that's been on TUF deserve to be in the UFC? Of course not. But the one's that do, are there. Hating on TUF alumni must be the "cool" thing to do now. It reminds me of people that hate the WWE because RoH is the "only cool thing." |
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Post by murdaspace on Jun 14, 2008 2:03:39 GMT -5
who were the 15 guys bisping beat is my question i am not saying they are not decent fighters, the top 10 list you are giving me might be legit for ufc only but there are a lot of top notch guys not in the ufc. i would love to see bisping against matt lindland or okami. i never hear anyone talk about denis kang another great middleweight. i can tell by your sig that faber is the only thing we will agree on, but that is what i love about any combat sport. it evokes emotion
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Post by DWright on Jun 14, 2008 2:37:19 GMT -5
who were the 15 guys bisping beat is my question i am not saying they are not decent fighters, the top 10 list you are giving me might be legit for ufc only but there are a lot of top notch guys not in the ufc. i would love to see bisping against matt lindland or okami. i never hear anyone talk about denis kang another great middleweight. i can tell by your sig that faber is the only thing we will agree on, but that is what i love about any combat sport. it evokes emotion Dennis Kang was a top 10 MW until he lost 3 of his last 4 fights, and looked just awful against Mousasi. Bisping holds a win over Matt Hamill, and beat Jason Day, and Mark Epstein (who always fights well, regardless of his record) And you're mistaking me for fans. I'm not saying I'm a huge fan of ALL the TUF alumni. I like Swick, I like Danzig, I like Quarry...but I'm not a huge fan of others I've mentioned. But I'll never take anything away from them, and I'll NEVER say they don't belong in the UFC. They've proven they do. And the top 10 lists...most are top 10 in the WORLD. Can you name 10 WW better than Koscheck, Sanchez, Swick? Can you name 10 LHW better than Griffin? I don't even think there are 10 better than Evans. (I'd have him ranked #9 or 10 in the world in the LHW division) Can you name 10 LW better than Florian or Stevenson? I'd find it hard to do with Gray Maynard after the win over Frankie Edgar. I think I'd have Maynard at 10 or 11. Can you name 10 MW better than Bisping? I'd have him ranked around 10 in the world...maybe 11 or 12. But give him another fight in the MW division and if he wins, he's a top 10 MW in the world. Then you have guys like Hamill, Danzig, Nate Diaz, Davis, Jardine, who are just on the cusp, just on the outside looking in. And yes, those are in the WORLD of MMA right now. |
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Post by murdaspace on Jun 14, 2008 2:58:18 GMT -5
do you really think bisping beat matt, that was home cooking.
can he beat lindland , okami, kang, frank shamrock, akiyama, sonnen, cung le.
i think bisping is highly overated
the ufc does the same thing elite is doing with kimbo. the only difference the tuf usually have more experience than mr. street certified.
florian i would rank 10 lw i am gonna go to bed. i will post a top 10 lw in the morning
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Post by DWright on Jun 14, 2008 3:44:01 GMT -5
do you really think bisping beat matt, that was home cooking. can he beat lindland , okami, kang, frank shamrock, akiyama, sonnen, cung le. i think bisping is highly overated the ufc does the same thing elite is doing with kimbo. the only difference the tuf usually have more experience than mr. street certified. florian i would rank 10 lw i am gonna go to bed. i will post a top 10 lw in the morning No, I said he "holds a victory" over Matt Hamill. Big difference. And how does the UFC baby their TUF fighters? We've seen them face guys like Liddell, Rua, Okami, GSP, Karo, soon to be Rampage, Ortiz (twice), Penn, Sherk, Wanderlei, Anderson Silva, Rich Franklin, etc, etc... Frank Shamrock?...come on. Kang has lost 3 out of his last 4 fights, he's no longer a top 10 MW. Top 10 MW: 1 - Anderson Silva 2 - Paulo Filho 3 - Rich Franklin 4 - Dan Henderson 5 - Yushin Okami 6 - Matt Lindland 7 - Robbie Lawler 8 - Jason Miller 9 - Frank Trigg 10 - Michael Bisping Noteables: Kazuo Misaki, Gegard Mousasi, Nate Marquardt, Thales Leites, Cung Le (talk about "who's he beat?), Chael Sonnen, Yoshihiro Akiyama Top 10 LW: 1 - BJ Penn 2 - Takanori Gomi 3 - Shinya Aoki 4 - JZ 5 - Gilbert Melendez 6 - Sean Sherk 7 - Shaolin 8 - Joe Stevenson 9 - Kenny Florian 10 - Mitsuhiro Ishida Noteables: Tatsuya Kawajiri, Roger Huerta, Gray Maynard, Nick Diaz, Jaime Varner, Frankie Edgar, Tyson Griffin |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Jun 14, 2008 8:37:12 GMT -5
Forrest Griffin - One of the top 10 LHW in the WORLD. Went to a controversial split with Tito Ortiz. Has beat Chael Sonnen. Has beat Jeff Monson. Has beat Shogun. But...of course, he doesn't belong. The "media" is fooling you.I agree completely with your opinion of Forrest Griffin. But it isn't the "media" saying TUF alum are worthless. It's some of the hardcore fans on message boards who resent the fact that anyone started watching MMA after they did. Those guys aren't media. They're just... guys on a message board. There might be some MMA writers out there still trashing even the best of the TUF alum, but their ranks are thinning. The "media" generally gives TUF guys a fair shake. Almost to a fault. the ufc does the same thing elite is doing with kimbo. the only difference the tuf usually have more experience than mr. street certified. If the UFC was doing the same thing EliteXC did with Kimbo Slice, then Brock Lesnar would be 1-0 in UFC right now with a lop-sided win over some tomato can in his UFC debut. Brock Lesnar is one of their future meal tickets, but they put him in the cage with Frank Mir, and now Heath Herring. Say what you want about UFC, but they're not protecting Brock at all. |
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Post by CBT on Jun 14, 2008 10:39:14 GMT -5
Off the top of my head- Matt Serra. Talented fighter, or atleast more so then Shonie Carter... but what a shit-talker, and not in a good way.
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Post by murdaspace on Jun 14, 2008 10:41:15 GMT -5
they put brock in with mir because they thought he would smash on him which he did, and he got caught. everyone thought mir was washed up so it looked like a big name for brock to beat and in the event brock lost which he did it was to a former heavyweight champ so it does not look bad on him.
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