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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Jun 13, 2008 23:13:14 GMT -5
They're never happy even when they get what they want. For example. One of the big complaints I always see is that the WWE never pushes new guys and we see the same guys in the main event all the time and they're stale. For the record, I agree about 90%. A lot of the guys are stale and tired and they do need to push young guys/fresh faces. The problem is every time they do people hate on them. They pushed JBL from mid-carder to legit main eventer. People hated him holding the belt for so long and hated him in the main event. They pushed Cena (a young guy) and put the belt on him. People promptly hated him. They pushed Rey Mysterio. He was a guy who was talented and largely held back because of his size. That was no longer the case. They put the belt on him and people on here started bitching that it was the World Heavyweight Championship and he shouldn't have it. (I guess the WWE Championship would've been ok though.) Lashley comes up and gets a push. The board is filled with Lashley sucks threads. Khali comes up and gets a push. We see Khali can't wrestle posts. During the same time they gave Mark Henry a big push. People on here hated him. I could continue, but I think I've made my point. The WWE does push new guys. When they do the fans promptly turn on them, hate them and they are de-pushed. Then people bitch about why this guy has been depushed when he was so talented. They're never happy no matter what happens. Agree? Disagree? I agree completely. That's how it's always been and that's probably how it will always be. I know this wasn't a personal attack, but I would still like to say a few things in my defense. I was against all of the world title reigns you mentioned. I always hated all of them, except for Rey Mysterio. I did come around to JBL during his first run as champion though. But the reason I was against Rey winning the belt is because it was obvious that he only won it because Eddie died. The fact that they put him in a three way at WrestleMania and had him pin Randy Orton, instead of champion Kurt Angle. I'm a fan and I wanted to see it happen, just not like that. As for everyone else... well... I always hated Cena, Khali and Lashley. them and anyone who gets pissed at me for not liking them. I'm not following some nonexistant bandwagon, I'm just stating my personal opinion.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jun 14, 2008 0:16:37 GMT -5
Rey was given the belt, because Eddie died - that's why everyone was bitching..
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Jun 14, 2008 0:19:08 GMT -5
The problem with Internet fans is very simple: they have computers with internet access.
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Post by garseys on Jun 14, 2008 3:19:10 GMT -5
The problem with Internet fans is very simple: they have computers with internet access. Win!
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Post by ericbischoff on Jun 14, 2008 6:40:56 GMT -5
I am 100% agreed with you about Mysterio. IMO, when Mysterio win title, that has RUIN big time to other wrestler who won this title before, such as Rock, Austin, Hulk Hogan etc
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Post by Fiasco on Jun 14, 2008 6:55:45 GMT -5
There people that we like just not as champions.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 14, 2008 7:53:31 GMT -5
I would also go further and say that people on the Internet for some ridiculous reason expect the WWE to focus on wrestling. The totally ignore the fact that the WWE has never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever focused on wrestling. The focus has always been on entertainment and they push guys on that basis. If some internet fans could get that through their thick skulls they'd probably be happier.
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Post by markallenkellner on Jun 14, 2008 11:07:31 GMT -5
They really think they know the inner workings of the "business" when in reality we're all marks in the end.
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Post by Heresy on Jun 14, 2008 11:21:18 GMT -5
Did you really just use Khali, Lashley, and Mark Henry as examples for guys we should've supported when WWE pushed them? Honestly...
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Post by khalicantwrestle on Jun 14, 2008 11:22:59 GMT -5
The problem with Internet fans is very simple: they have computers with internet access. Win! Soon to be sigged
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Post by Heresy on Jun 14, 2008 11:31:53 GMT -5
I would also go further and say that people on the Internet for some ridiculous reason expect the WWE to focus on wrestling. The totally ignore the fact that the WWE has never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever focused on wrestling. The focus has always been on entertainment and they push guys on that basis. If some internet fans could get that through their thick skulls they'd probably be happier. See 2002. That year, the entertainment came from the wrestling...
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 14, 2008 11:38:14 GMT -5
I would also go further and say that people on the Internet for some ridiculous reason expect the WWE to focus on wrestling. The totally ignore the fact that the WWE has never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever focused on wrestling. The focus has always been on entertainment and they push guys on that basis. If some internet fans could get that through their thick skulls they'd probably be happier. See 2002. That year, the entertainment came from the wrestling... Disagree. I think the wrestling is an off shoot of the entertainment. Vince is not looking to appeal primarily to wrestling fans. Wrestling fans are a niche. Vince is trying (sometimes more sucessfully than others) to compete with other entertainment programming like Lost or House as well as sports programming like MLB, NFL or UFC.
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Post by Heresy on Jun 14, 2008 11:45:44 GMT -5
Well then he is doomed to fail... he should be going after the MMA audience and present a more competition-based product. They are more likely to take to pro wrestling than the sports and primetime drama fans... 2001-2003 proved you can have wrestlers that are great entertainers AND have a great workrate. If Vince wants the entertainment to come from non-wrestling sources like this 'Million dollar Mania' than it's not going to pay off... didn't the ratings go down last week?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 14, 2008 11:54:44 GMT -5
Well then he is doomed to fail... he should be going after the MMA audience and present a more competition-based product. They are more likely to take to pro wrestling than the sports and primetime drama fans... 2001-2003 proved you can have wrestlers that are great entertainers AND have a great workrate. If Vince wants the entertainment to come from non-wrestling sources like this 'Million dollar Mania' than it's not going to pay off... didn't the ratings go down last week? I think Vince's track record proves that he is not "doomed to fail." That is my opinion though and it's just as good good as yours. Not all of his ideas are going to pan out. That's the nature of the business. His main problem right now is he has no competition. He's got a monopoly and that's never good for customers in any environment.
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Post by iyfwkidzc on Jun 14, 2008 11:59:04 GMT -5
Internet smark fans are fickle, and somewhat hypocritical also.
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Post by tnafan4life on Jun 14, 2008 12:23:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry that I don't like something that you do. But, isn't that why it's my opinion? Also, "They're never happy even when they get what they want." Because, they always it up to me.
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Post by Graze on Jun 14, 2008 13:02:31 GMT -5
Maybe we wouldn't complain if the WWE pushed the right people based on talent rather then size. Internet wrestling fans make up a small portion of the overall WWE audience. When we want new people getting pushed, we mean new superstars, guys who are fresh, guys who we actually want to see main, not bringing up mid-carders no one cares about to main event level. JBL should of never been WWE Champ. The only reason he was WWE champ was because he was on SD and they didn't have many heel main eventers. As for Mark Henry and Khali, they're useless and should of been released a long time ago. No one cares about them. They're not entertaining and they get no reaction at all. As for Rey, his title run was a failure because I think as champ they had him win like one match. They were jobbing him out to Khali and Henry. Hard to take some serious as champ when their losing to mid-carders.
As for Cena, he was pushed down everyone's throat, I think people were burned out on Cena. We want new superstars be feature in main roles. CM Punk should of been pushed to the moon after MITB, to make him seem like a threat to the Champs. MVP and Matt Hardy should be main eventing.
McMahon has no idea how to push guys now, he if did, we wouldn't be having this money give away. As for this whole "if you want wrestling why are watching WWE?" crap, well, they're a wrestling company are they not? They have "wrestling" in their company name right? they hire wrestlers right? By that logic, when I watch a wrestling show, I expect to see, some, you know, wrestling! It would be like watching UFC and see nothing but promo's and not see a single fight.
Lay off the internet fans. It's pretty clear WWE doesn't give a **** about what there fans think anyways.
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Jun 14, 2008 13:40:04 GMT -5
I would also go further and say that people on the Internet for some ridiculous reason expect the WWE to focus on wrestling. The totally ignore the fact that the WWE has never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever focused on wrestling. The focus has always been on entertainment and they push guys on that basis. If some internet fans could get that through their thick skulls they'd probably be happier. Not true. That **** started in the 80's. Around the same time as Hulkamania if I'm not mistaken. Believe it or not, but the WWE actually used to be a wrestling promotion. It was called World (Wide) Wrestling Federation for a reason.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 14, 2008 13:48:55 GMT -5
Maybe we wouldn't complain if the WWE pushed the right people based on talent rather then size. Internet wrestling fans make up a small portion of the overall WWE audience. When we want new people getting pushed, we mean new superstars, guys who are fresh, guys who we actually want to see main, not bringing up mid-carders no one cares about to main event level. JBL should of never been WWE Champ. The only reason he was WWE champ was because he was on SD and they didn't have many heel main eventers. As for Mark Henry and Khali, they're useless and should of been released a long time ago. No one cares about them. They're not entertaining and they get no reaction at all. As for Rey, his title run was a failure because I think as champ they had him win like one match. They were jobbing him out to Khali and Henry. Hard to take some serious as champ when their losing to mid-carders. As for Cena, he was pushed down everyone's throat, I think people were burned out on Cena. We want new superstars be feature in main roles. CM Punk should of been pushed to the moon after MITB, to make him seem like a threat to the Champs. MVP and Matt Hardy should be main eventing. McMahon has no idea how to push guys now, he if did, we wouldn't be having this money give away. As for this whole "if you want wrestling why are watching WWE?" crap, well, they're a wrestling company are they not? They have "wrestling" in their company name right? they hire wrestlers right? By that logic, when I watch a wrestling show, I expect to see, some, you know, wrestling! It would be like watching UFC and see nothing but promo's and not see a single fight. Lay off the internet fans. It's pretty clear WWE doesn't give a **** about what there fans think anyways. Again, Lashley was a fresh face who got pushed into the main event. He was then hated on. Khali was a fresh face who was pushed into the main event. He was then hated on. When Batista got his big push several years ago he was a fairly fresh face. People hated him immediately. They tried pushing Kennedy, but he screwed that up himself. If not I can guarantee you the hatred would've begun. When Cena's push started he was a fresh face. He was a young guy who'd never been in the main event. People hated him. You're right that Vince has no idea how to push guys. No one has ever heard of Hogan, Savage, or Stone Cold. Now you can argue that some of those guys made their names elsewhere and were already big names in the business before the came to Vince. But he's taken his share of complete unknowns and pushed them too. What about The Rock, The Undertaker, Kurt Angle or even the Ultimate Warrior? All of these guys were virtual unknowns in the wrestling world before they got a huge push and became household names. Also, none of those guys (besides Angle) was a talented ring worker when they got their push. The Rock was never the best wrestler on the roster but he's extremely entertaining. Undertaker was a solid worker but nothing more when he got his push back in the 90's. The Warrior's work rate speaks for itself, but the reaction he could get from a crowd also speaks for himself. To say Vince doesn't know how to push guys is a ridiculous statement.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 14, 2008 13:50:17 GMT -5
I would also go further and say that people on the Internet for some ridiculous reason expect the WWE to focus on wrestling. The totally ignore the fact that the WWE has never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever focused on wrestling. The focus has always been on entertainment and they push guys on that basis. If some internet fans could get that through their thick skulls they'd probably be happier. Not true. That **** started in the 80's. Around the same time as Hulkamania if I'm not mistaken. Believe it or not, but the WWE actually used to be a wrestling promotion. It was called World (Wide) Wrestling Federation for a reason. You're right, but that was under Vince McMahon Sr. I should've been more clear and stated that Vince Jr has always focused on entertainment.
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