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Post by Quanthor on Jul 19, 2008 18:02:18 GMT -5
IMDB is full of idiots and fanboys, The Dark Knight is certainly the best of it's genre, but as far as it being one of the greatest films of all time, it's not even on the radar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2008 18:08:05 GMT -5
Wikipedia posted everything that happens in the film.
The film begins with the Joker robbing a mob-owned bank, and double crossing his accomplices so he can have all the money. That night, multiple Batman impersonators interrupt a meeting between mobsters and the Scarecrow. The real Batman shows up and subdues everyone, but injuries suffered during the confrontation force him to acquire a new, more functional suit of armor. Batman and Lieutenant James Gordon contemplate bringing new district attorney Harvey Dent in on their plan to eradicate the mob, and the possibility that Dent will become the hero to the people that Batman cannot be. At the same time, Bruce Wayne and Harvey are both competing for the love of Rachel Dawes. The mob bosses (Sal Maroni, Gamble, the Chechen) meet to discuss how to handle Batman, Gordon, and Dent, while a Chinese mobster accountant, Lau, lets the gang leaders know he has taken their money to Hong Kong to prevent the police and the district attorney from seizing it in an imminent bank raid. The Joker arrives and proposes to kill Batman for them, and also tries to convince them that Lau will give them all up to the police if he is caught.
After Batman successfully abducts Lau in Hong Kong and delivers him to the Gotham City police, the mobsters agree to pay the Joker half of their money in return for killing Batman. The Joker tells all of Gotham that if the Batman does not turn himself in to the police, then he will kill innocent people every day. When the Joker begins killing off public officials, including Lt. Gordon, despite the best efforts of the police and Batman to thwart him, Wayne decides to give in and turn himself in to the police. However, before he can do so, Dent publically admits to being "the Batman" to draw the Joker out of hiding. The Joker attempts to kill Dent during transport, but Gordon (who had faked his death for tactical advantage against the lunatic) and Batman arrive in time to stop and arrest him. After the Joker is in custody, Batman tortures him to the surprise of the police, until he reveals, as he intended, that Rachel and Dent have been taken to opposite sides of the city, far enough apart that Batman does not have time to save both of them. Batman speeds off to save Rachel, while Gordon and the police head after Dent. Unknown to them, the Joker has switched the locations of both, sending Batman after Dent and Gordon after Rachel. With the help of a pre-planted phone bomb, the Joker escapes with Lau in tow.
Dent and Rachel awaken to find themselves tied to chairs with barrels of explosive material surrounding them. Dent attempts to free himself, but accidentally immerses the left side of his face in turpentine when he falls on the floor. Batman arrives and rescues Dent just as both buildings explode; the left side of Dent's face is burned during the explosion. Gordon does not reach Rachel in time and she dies in the explosion. In the hospital, Dent is driven to madness over the loss of Rachel, which he blames on Batman, Gordon and the Joker. The Joker sets up another elaborate plot, the first step of which is to convince Harvey to exact revenge on those whom he (Harvey) feels are responsible for Rachel's death.
While "Harvey Two-Face" confronts the corrupt cops and the mobsters one by one, flipping a coin to decide their fates, the Joker burns Lau at the top of the clown's share of mob money, stacked into a tower. The Joker then declares that he will rule the streets and that anyone left in Gotham at nightfall will be subject to his rule, but also suggests the outbound bridges and tunnels are booby trapped which makes the ferries the preferred method out of the city. Knowing the large ships would be filled to capacity, the Joker plants explosives on two ferries and gives the passengers on board the chance to destroy the opposing vessel, one full of prison convicts and another with civilians, in order to save their own lives. Batman tracks the Joker by means of an elaborate surveillance technique (which turns everyone's cellphone into a live microphone and serves as a giant sonar system) to an uncompleted skyscraper. There, Batman prevents him from blowing up the ferries when both vessels' occupants decide they would rather die than kill innocents.
Dangling from a wire, the Joker acknowledges that Batman really is incorruptible, but that Dent was not and he has unleashed Harvey's madness upon the city. Batman finds Gordon and his family with Dent at the building where Rachel died. Harvey proceeds to judge Batman, himself, and Gordon's son through the chance of coin flip, which he sees as the only fairness left in the world. Harvey shoots Batman in the stomach but before he can determine the boy's fate, Batman tackles him over the side of the building, saving Gordon's son. As Dent lies motionless on the ground, Batman and Gordon decide that the Joker would win if anyone found out about Dent's corruption and madness. In order to uphold Dent's vision, Batman convinces Gordon to blame all of Dent's murders on him to preserve Dent's image as Gotham's hero and give the city hope. As Gordon destroys the Bat-Signal, a manhunt is issued for Batman.
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Post by xxxKevinxxx™ on Jul 19, 2008 18:09:06 GMT -5
Man this movie was amazing. I loved it, i saw last night and I am going to see it again with my girlfriend next week. The Joker definately made the movie for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2008 18:13:28 GMT -5
I had no idea that was Lau. Hah.
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Post by Iron Man on Jul 19, 2008 18:15:32 GMT -5
IMDB is full of idiots and fanboys, The Dark Knight is certainly the best of it's genre, but as far as it being one of the greatest films of all time, it's not even on the radar. OMG its teh Godfather. Let people think what they want. If they liked the Batman movie and rated it a 10 why the hell do you care. Personally it is one of my favorite movies ever.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Jul 19, 2008 18:18:00 GMT -5
You sir are possibly the dumbest man alive. Dawes blew the up. Dent fell from a building. How in the liveing hell is getting blown up and falling from a building the same thing? Explain that one to me. Also I'm not saying he's alive. What I said was YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL EXCEPT FOR HE WAS SEEN LYING ON THE GROUND. Other then that your knowledge comes from your imagination and nothing more. In your mind he is dead. In others he is alive. It is just your opinion and nothing more. I know you want to ACT like your god almighty Batman scoop 424 but your not. Your just a fan. You can't say oh Dent is dead I know. As that is pure speculation and lie. You can say I feel like Dent is dead. Or IMO Dent died. But you can't say you know. First of all, you shouldn't have the balls to call anyone dumb when you can't even have a discussion in a calm, mature manner. It just instantly discredits your opinion and makes you come across as a big moron and a jackass. Falling from a building like Dent did is almost fatal. The guy was tackled and landed right on his back. The whiplash from that could have very easily snapped his neck or caused death just from the impact of his skull smacking onto the ground. Next, they held a service for Dent. They all looked sad and were referring to him in past tense. You don't do that for someone who's alive. He's dead in all our minds because he's dead in the movie. It was fairly obvious that he was dead. I can't believe people are still debating this when even the novel couldn't be clearer on the matter. No I started calm, by stating that aruging over if he died or not was pointless. (check the first post). But then the guy comes back once again saying he knows 100% dent is dead. No I for one don't know. BUt I hate it when people act like they know something they don't. Which is what Bateman was doing in almost all his posts. They also hold services for people who can no longer do their job i.e. burning half your face would make it hard to be a D.A. and the face of Gotham. But no, I hate people acting like they know. like Bateman. Unlike Bateman, you Sasso give reasons why you think he is dead. and not saying OH I KNOW he is. I for one will be waiting until the 3rd to find out. Also it occured to me Dent survived a car crash when he was Two-Face why wouldn't he survive a fall. Ya know. Also how can you speak for everyone on the board saying QUOTE"He is dead's in all our minds" END QUOTE when you are just one person. I was not angry until Bateman replied once again that he knew something only the director, actors, and producers of the movie knew. That is what got me upset considering he doesn't, I don't, you don't, no one on this forum knows. So in the end it's still 50/50. No one is gonna change that.
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Post by captain master talbot on Jul 19, 2008 18:20:31 GMT -5
First of all, you shouldn't have the balls to call anyone dumb when you can't even have a discussion in a calm, mature manner. It just instantly discredits your opinion and makes you come across as a big moron and a jackass. Falling from a building like Dent did is almost fatal. The guy was tackled and landed right on his back. The whiplash from that could have very easily snapped his neck or caused death just from the impact of his skull smacking onto the ground. Next, they held a service for Dent. They all looked sad and were referring to him in past tense. You don't do that for someone who's alive. He's dead in all our minds because he's dead in the movie. It was fairly obvious that he was dead. I can't believe people are still debating this when even the novel couldn't be clearer on the matter. No I started calm, by stating that aruging over if he died or not was pointless. (check the first post). But then the guy comes back once again saying he knows 100% dent is dead. No I for one don't know. BUt I hate it when people act like they know something they don't. Which is what Bateman was doing in almost all his posts. They also hold services for people who can no longer do their job i.e. burning half your face would make it hard to be a D.A. and the face of Gotham. But no, I hate people acting like they know. like Bateman. Unlike Bateman, you Sasso give reasons why you think he is dead. and not saying OH I KNOW he is. I for one will be waiting until the 3rd to find out. Also it occured to me Dent survived a car crash when he was Two-Face why wouldn't he survive a fall. Ya know. Also how can you speak for everyone on the board saying QUOTE"He is dead's in all our minds" END QUOTE when you are just one person. I was not angry until Bateman replied once again that he knew something only the director, actors, and producers of the movie knew. That is what got me upset considering he doesn't, I don't, you don't, no one on this forum knows. So in the end it's still 50/50. No one is gonna change that. This side.....he's alive. This side.......he's dead.
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Post by sasso on Jul 19, 2008 18:22:27 GMT -5
First of all, you shouldn't have the balls to call anyone dumb when you can't even have a discussion in a calm, mature manner. It just instantly discredits your opinion and makes you come across as a big moron and a jackass. Falling from a building like Dent did is almost fatal. The guy was tackled and landed right on his back. The whiplash from that could have very easily snapped his neck or caused death just from the impact of his skull smacking onto the ground. Next, they held a service for Dent. They all looked sad and were referring to him in past tense. You don't do that for someone who's alive. He's dead in all our minds because he's dead in the movie. It was fairly obvious that he was dead. I can't believe people are still debating this when even the novel couldn't be clearer on the matter. No I started calm, by stating that aruging over if he died or not was pointless. (check the first post). But then the guy comes back once again saying he knows 100% dent is dead. No I for one don't know. BUt I hate it when people act like they know something they don't. Which is what Bateman was doing in almost all his posts. They also hold services for people who can no longer do their job i.e. burning half your face would make it hard to be a D.A. and the face of Gotham. But no, I hate people acting like they know. like Bateman. Unlike Bateman, you Sasso give reasons why you think he is dead. and not saying OH I KNOW he is. I for one will be waiting until the 3rd to find out. Also it occured to me Dent survived a car crash when he was Two-Face why wouldn't he survive a fall. Ya know. Also how can you speak for everyone on the board saying QUOTE"He is dead's in all our minds" END QUOTE when you are just one person. I was not angry until Bateman replied once again that he knew something only the director, actors, and producers of the movie knew. That is what got me upset considering he doesn't, I don't, you don't, no one on this forum knows. So in the end it's still 50/50. No one is gonna change that. When I said "He's dead in all our minds because he's dead in the movie" by "our" I was referring to everyone here who says Dent's dead. Not everyone here on the forum.
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Post by captain master talbot on Jul 19, 2008 18:24:26 GMT -5
First of all, you shouldn't have the balls to call anyone dumb when you can't even have a discussion in a calm, mature manner. It just instantly discredits your opinion and makes you come across as a big moron and a jackass. Falling from a building like Dent did is almost fatal. The guy was tackled and landed right on his back. The whiplash from that could have very easily snapped his neck or caused death just from the impact of his skull smacking onto the ground. Next, they held a service for Dent. They all looked sad and were referring to him in past tense. You don't do that for someone who's alive. He's dead in all our minds because he's dead in the movie. It was fairly obvious that he was dead. I can't believe people are still debating this when even the novel couldn't be clearer on the matter. No I started calm, by stating that aruging over if he died or not was pointless. (check the first post). But then the guy comes back once again saying he knows 100% dent is dead. No I for one don't know. BUt I hate it when people act like they know something they don't. Which is what Bateman was doing in almost all his posts. They also hold services for people who can no longer do their job i.e. burning half your face would make it hard to be a D.A. and the face of Gotham. But no, I hate people acting like they know. like Bateman. Unlike Bateman, you Sasso give reasons why you think he is dead. and not saying OH I KNOW he is. I for one will be waiting until the 3rd to find out. Also it occured to me Dent survived a car crash when he was Two-Face why wouldn't he survive a fall. Ya know. Also how can you speak for everyone on the board saying QUOTE"He is dead's in all our minds" END QUOTE when you are just one person. I was not angry until Bateman replied once again that he knew something only the director, actors, and producers of the movie knew. That is what got me upset considering he doesn't, I don't, you don't, no one on this forum knows. So in the end it's still 50/50. No one is gonna change that. WHY SO SERIOUS?
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Post by xxxKevinxxx™ on Jul 19, 2008 18:25:50 GMT -5
Any one buy the figs yet?
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Jul 19, 2008 18:25:57 GMT -5
No I started calm, by stating that aruging over if he died or not was pointless. (check the first post). But then the guy comes back once again saying he knows 100% dent is dead. No I for one don't know. BUt I hate it when people act like they know something they don't. Which is what Bateman was doing in almost all his posts. They also hold services for people who can no longer do their job i.e. burning half your face would make it hard to be a D.A. and the face of Gotham. But no, I hate people acting like they know. like Bateman. Unlike Bateman, you Sasso give reasons why you think he is dead. and not saying OH I KNOW he is. I for one will be waiting until the 3rd to find out. Also it occured to me Dent survived a car crash when he was Two-Face why wouldn't he survive a fall. Ya know. Also how can you speak for everyone on the board saying QUOTE"He is dead's in all our minds" END QUOTE when you are just one person. I was not angry until Bateman replied once again that he knew something only the director, actors, and producers of the movie knew. That is what got me upset considering he doesn't, I don't, you don't, no one on this forum knows. So in the end it's still 50/50. No one is gonna change that. When I said "He's dead in all our minds because he's dead in the movie" by "our" I was referring to everyone here who says Dent's dead. Not everyone here on the forum. oh ok . But yeah I understand the dead part, but the alive part is a thought to. I mean in my eyes Two-Face was great but more can be added (if he is alive). I mean he could make plans with the Joker (who is in arkham) to corrupt Gotham, considering The Joker got to him in this one.
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Post by American Phenom on Jul 19, 2008 18:27:39 GMT -5
I posted this on SHH:
I believe that Harvey Dent (the hero) is dead...but Two-Face is still alive.
If Two-Face did die...Batman would of killed him, which would mean he broke his "one rule". The fall that Two-Face took didn't seem much higher than the fall that Maroni took. Even though Two-Face wasn't prepared for the fall and had no time to support himself.
Another thing that I found interesting was that they never showed a casket, from what I remember at least. Gordon could of easily held a memorial service for him, and hid the body in Arkham.
I think the 3rd movie would be great if it starts out BEFORE Dark Knight ended. They can transport Two-Face into Arkham, and have him share a holding cell with the Joker (All they need is someone who looks similar and could do the voice for a small scene). Maybe they'll feel like they can cure him and he can be the hero Gotham needs.
But Two-Face can either (A) meet Poison Ivy and escape, wrecking havoc on Gotham, Batman and Catwoman. Or (B) escape from Arkham and again, wreck havoc on Gotham. And now Batman, who is currently on the run, realizes that Gotham needs him and returns to the city.
The ending for the Dark Knight was very smart. Now if Nolan comes back for a 3rd, they can easily bring back Two-Face. And if he doesn't come back, Two-Face can be dead.
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Post by xxxKevinxxx™ on Jul 19, 2008 18:28:35 GMT -5
When I said "He's dead in all our minds because he's dead in the movie" by "our" I was referring to everyone here who says Dent's dead. Not everyone here on the forum. oh ok . But yeah I understand the dead part, but the alive part is a thought to. I mean in my eyes Two-Face was great but more can be added (if he is alive). I mean he could make plans with the Joker (who is in arkham) to corrupt Gotham, considering The Joker got to him in this one. Wait I though Joker got shot when he was hanging outside the building.... did I miss something?
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Post by No Brokeback on Jul 19, 2008 18:30:43 GMT -5
No I started calm, by stating that aruging over if he died or not was pointless. (check the first post). But then the guy comes back once again saying he knows 100% dent is dead. No I for one don't know. BUt I hate it when people act like they know something they don't. Which is what Bateman was doing in almost all his posts. They also hold services for people who can no longer do their job i.e. burning half your face would make it hard to be a D.A. and the face of Gotham. But no, I hate people acting like they know. like Bateman. Unlike Bateman, you Sasso give reasons why you think he is dead. and not saying OH I KNOW he is. I for one will be waiting until the 3rd to find out. Also it occured to me Dent survived a car crash when he was Two-Face why wouldn't he survive a fall. Ya know. Also how can you speak for everyone on the board saying QUOTE"He is dead's in all our minds" END QUOTE when you are just one person. I was not angry until Bateman replied once again that he knew something only the director, actors, and producers of the movie knew. That is what got me upset considering he doesn't, I don't, you don't, no one on this forum knows. So in the end it's still 50/50. No one is gonna change that. WHY SO SERIOUS? I don't think that could have been put at a better place in this conversation. Made me chuckle as a few were getting butt-hurt.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jul 19, 2008 18:32:48 GMT -5
oh ok . But yeah I understand the dead part, but the alive part is a thought to. I mean in my eyes Two-Face was great but more can be added (if he is alive). I mean he could make plans with the Joker (who is in arkham) to corrupt Gotham, considering The Joker got to him in this one. Wait I though Joker got shot when he was hanging outside the building.... did I miss something? He was never shot. It showed cops/Swat coming up to him, but they never shot him.
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Post by Johnny on Jul 19, 2008 18:37:11 GMT -5
What were the words the Commissioner said at the end, leading up to "The Dark Knight" and the end of the movie?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2008 18:40:05 GMT -5
IMDB is full of idiots and fanboys, WF is full of idiots and fanboys. Im one of them. Anyways... Im seeing it the second round tommorow and I'll be on the lookout in every Wayne Enterprises scene for E. Nigma. Also, when Two-Face's coin landed up, it wasnt signifying Harvey would live, but rather Gordon's son. It landed good side up in Batman Forever, too, signifying Batman would live, and Two-Face was dead then. Also, I know and agree that this movie is epic, but how long till someone complains that Harvey flipped his coin (or was going to) more than once on that crazy guy? Overall in my honest opinion, he's 80% chance dead, 20% alive. If they wanted him in the next movie they could have very well made him live. But I think they will want to move onto bigger and better things, fresh, different villans, assuming they will continue. They crammed Dent's death in in the already long movie to bring his story to an end.
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Post by sasso on Jul 19, 2008 18:40:24 GMT -5
I posted this on SHH: I believe that Harvey Dent (the hero) is dead...but Two-Face is still alive. If Two-Face did die...Batman would of killed him, which would mean he broke his "one rule". The fall that Two-Face took didn't seem much higher than the fall that Maroni took. Even though Two-Face wasn't prepared for the fall and had no time to support himself. Another thing that I found interesting was that they never showed a casket, from what I remember at least. Gordon could of easily held a memorial service for him, and hid the body in Arkham. I think the 3rd movie would be great if it starts out BEFORE Dark Knight ended. They can transport Two-Face into Arkham, and have him share a holding cell with the Joker (All they need is someone who looks similar and could do the voice for a small scene). Maybe they'll feel like they can cure him and he can be the hero Gotham needs. But Two-Face can either (A) meet Poison Ivy and escape, wrecking havoc on Gotham, Batman and Catwoman. Or (B) escape from Arkham and again, wreck havoc on Gotham. And now Batman, who is currently on the run, realizes that Gotham needs him and returns to the city. The ending for the Dark Knight was very smart. Now if Nolan comes back for a 3rd, they can easily bring back Two-Face. And if he doesn't come back, Two-Face can be dead. That was an interesting read. The only issue is that the whole purpose and meaning of the end with Dent dying would be lost if they copped out and made him return in a sequel. That's something a lot of people seem to be overlooking. And why would Dent wreck havoc on the city? He never attacked random people or Gotham like the Joker. He only went after the people he did go after because of revenge. IMDB is full of idiots and fanboys, WF is full of idiots and fanboys. Im one of them. Also, I know and agree that this movie is epic, but how long till someone complains that Harvey flipped his coin (or was going to) more than once on that crazy guy? It was a clean double-headed coin. Dent never planned on hurting him. He was just trying to freak the guy out. He said if it landed on tails he was gonna kill him. There was no tails on the coin.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Jul 19, 2008 18:43:01 GMT -5
People creating theories of Two-Face being alive and in cahoots with the Joker clearly need to wake up, or go see the film again. And those same people (or persons) need to then look into their mirrors and realize never to call others Batman fanboys again.
But, continue wishfully thinking, people.
I gave reasons. I posted the novelization excerpt before anyone else, I brought up nobody believing Ra's al Ghul or Rachel Dawes being alive despite those same people thinking Two-Face died.. especially when Ra's died under more mysterious circumstances.
I brought up Dent being alive, ruining the ending and the theme of the movie.. corruption, chaos and anarchy.
What? Do you need an interview with Nolan to wake you up, man?
"Also it occured to me Dent survived a car crash when he was Two-Face why wouldn't he survive a fall."
As for this, Two-Face buckles up his seat belt beforehand. What purpose would Two-Face serve alive, honestly? He's tortured, he's half dead, his girlfriend's gone, he's just on a revenge spree that had to have resulted in his death because he was OUT of CONTROL and SUICIDAL to begin with.
Plus, if he were alive and survived the fall, why did Gordon call the police to chase Batman away instead of calling for an ambulance to help Dent? We see the police actually chasing Batman away, but Dent's body is still laying on the ground... for a long period of time, I might add.
And if Two-Face is in the third film, why would Gary Oldman say for the third film, we have the Riddler? Would he not say Two-Face too? Why has no one brought up Two-Face reoccuring in another sequel in interviews?
Just because you saw the trailers, and heard the rumors and concluded that Two-Face is carrying the third movie does not make it so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2008 18:47:00 GMT -5
WF is full of idiots and fanboys. Im one of them. Also, I know and agree that this movie is epic, but how long till someone complains that Harvey flipped his coin (or was going to) more than once on that crazy guy? It was a clean double-headed coin. Dent never planned on hurting him. He was just trying to freak the guy out. He said if it landed on tails he was gonna kill him. There was no tails on the coin.[/quote] Shoot. Sorry, forgot about that.
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