Pound for Pound is Crap

The thread isn't about who the best P4P fighter is,it's about the term "pound for pound" term being worthless. period.

It should be who the greatest fighter is........which is by far FEDOR.
Nobody has yet to answer my question of what is the formula to determine P4P??

Silva = Number 1 and Fedor = Number 2

- Iron Heart

So you're saying Jake O'Brien is better than Urijah Faber? O'Brien would most definitely beat a guy he outweighs by more than 100 pounds, so therefore, he's the better fighter, right? O'Brien would probably lay on top of Faber for 3 rounds and the fight is over.

Lyoto Machida fought BJ Penn at 205 and in all honesty, probably should have won in a split decision (if not lose) since he ran more than he engaged. But you're willing to say Machida is a better POUND FOR POUND fighter than BJ Penn?

Your philosophy is way off. Pound for pound doesn't have a set formula, but it's still a great way to measure talent in fighters in different weight classes.

The formula would basically consist of:
A. Rank of opponents in that given weight class(es)
B. Who that fighter has fought
C. Who that fighter has beat
D. The dominance (see: Anderson Silva, MW division, UFC)

It can be argued that Fedor is the best pound for pound fighter in the world, but saying it's a lock is just a fan being biased. Fedor has 1 fight in 2008. 2 in 07, and 2 in 06. Other than Sylvia (who like it or not, was a big name for him to dominate), he hadn't beat anyone in his weight class since Cro Cop. He beat Lindland, but he usually fights at 185/205.

Anderson Silva on the other hand, has DESTROYED everyone he's fought. Including Rich Franklin (x2), Chris Leben (very hard chin, hard to knock out...he knocked him out), Travis Lutter (defined Silvas ground game in this fight), Dan Henderson, Nate Marquardt, and now he moved up to destroy James Irvin, who had probably just broken into the top 15 LHW, or ast least was on the cusp of doing so.

Fedors lack of fights and lack of opponents really put him behind. But POUND FOR POUND, Silva is probably a better fighter right now.

When did I ever mentioned Jake O'Brien or Urijah Faber?...But I'll give you a honest answer to a stupid question.Jake would eventually mount Faber and TKO him with stikes.

Once again when did I ever mention B.J.Penn or Machida???Your analysis to that fight actually proves my point.P4P means nothing.

P4P means absolutely nothing except for a fancy P.R. word.

Dana uses it because he doesn't have greatest fighter in the world.

You can tell your in Love with Silva and there's no doubt he's the best middleweight and can beat most of the middle to lower ranked lightheavyweights but he's far from the BEST fighter in the world,pound for pound,height for height or whatever else you want to call it.

The best FIGHTER is FEDOR...

You said "Could Silva beat Fedor."

Therefore, I compared other fights that would be completely out of weight class, proving that pound for pound does make sense.

I agree that Jake O'Brien would beat Urijah Faber. He weights 100 pounds more and is obviously strong due to his size. Does this mean Jake O'Brien is better than Faber? Machida, who fights at 205, beat BJ Penn, who fights at 155 and has fought at 170, does this mean Machida is a better fighter than Penn? No, it means Machida had a considerable size advantage. Is Eddie Sanchez a better fighter than Kid Yamamoto? Is Antoni Hardonk a better fighter than Miguel Torres? Is Justin McCully a better fighter than Roger Huerta?

All of those answers are very obvious. No. But they'd all more than likely beat them, because of their size advantage. But that by no means they're better figthers.

Better striking, better JJ, better wrestling, better ground defense, better sprawls, better cardio, etc, etc + better opponents, more fights, more dominant victories...

These are all things that make a fighter better than others. Some 155ers are better than some 230ers. (hell, the LW division is MUCH better than the HW division), but that doesn't mean they'd win in those match ups head to head. But POUND FOR POUND, they're better fighters.

And for the record, I'm not even an Anderson Silva fan. Hell, I DESPISE that piece of **** Kid Yamamoto, but he is one of the best POUND FOR POUND fighters in the world today.

But with MORE fights, against BETTER fighters, in what's a BETTER division, he's dominated everyone he's stepped in the ring with, while improving each time. And because of his recent dominance and amount of fights he's been taking on, he's moved in front of Fedor in not only MY mind, but the minds of many in the world of MMA.

I understand where you coming from,I know what P4P is perceived as,I'm just sick of the term being thrown around like the best P4P fighter in the world is THEE best overall fighter in the world.