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Post by Phoenix Nitro on Jan 15, 2008 23:39:32 GMT -5
And then be on my way with this. By the way, I'm not a WWE mark. I enjoy all types of wrestling, innovative or simple. But this has to be said, especially when a completely biased person abuses his moderating powers in an attempt to shut me up. TNA = rarely good wrestling. There's a lot of great things out there, and WWE certainly isn't the best. But TNA is just shot to pieces now. I used to really like TNA. It used to be great. But now you've got storylines that nobody follows, fueds matches between people that don't even work well together. Gimmicks like Abyss, Rellik, and Black Reign. We (friends and I) saw all of this **** about a week ago, and came up with a NEW name for TNA; "Ozzfest Wrestling". Because that's all I saw; Generic no-talent with the obligatory "Darkness and death" label. They up PPV's, the gimmick matches are rediculous, and, I'm gonna say it...WWE rejects. Granted, some of them are young, and really shine elsewhere, but the majority of them didn't cut it on live television for a REASON. Now you've got to watch Rhyno, Scott Steiner, Christian (Who also moves like a rusty bike), Bookert T, etc. main-event your favorite show, where you used to watch Jeff Jarrett vs. A.J. Styles? Please. Come the on. This **** isn't what it used to be, and it's terrible. But you've got the...Maybe...four, or five talented X-Division kids, and A.J. Styles (Circa LAST year) so that's something, right? ^^^Copied and pasted from another sub-board. And while I'm at it...Why don't they take teams like the Motor City Machine Guns, and XXX, and put THEM at the top, instead of treating them the way WWE does with "different" talent? If TNA changed back to the way it was...Before we had Jeff Hardy/Christian/Angle walking in and obtaining a title shot on the spot, before the company got off on being rebellious... I would DEFINETLY keep watching TNA. Definetly. Because this company used to be ing amazing, and that's no lie. Just speaking my opinion, here. If you're going to run in here and be like "TaHt'z nott funnie, yur a bAd wWWe kid!!1", don't even. Because I've said enough to support the fact that I'm an avid watcher of all types of professional wrestling to support a legitimate argument.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 15, 2008 23:43:20 GMT -5
Well said.
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Post by Phoenix Nitro on Jan 15, 2008 23:57:50 GMT -5
Oh, also...On my reply to this topic... wfigs.proboards48.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=tna&thread=1200438418&page=1^^^I think this is a good idea. And, on that note, if they're going to be taking in that many WWE guys... They should seriously, SERIOUSLY consider having two separate shows; One for X-Division and a six-sided ring. And one with everyone else in a four-sided ring. I say this because it's all become so un-organized at this point. They're cramming all this crapinto one hour, and, as said in the above topic, the ex-WWE superstars aren't even using the six sides properly.
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Post by Phoenix Nitro on Jan 15, 2008 23:59:37 GMT -5
That's awesome for you! Yet, you took all that time to go into your photobucket/random pic storage site, copy a URL, make a post here, paste the URL, and stick it here? All that just for lil' ole' ME? Shows how apathetic you really are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 23:59:41 GMT -5
They're cramming all this **** into one hour Where have you been for the past forever?
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Post by Phoenix Nitro on Jan 16, 2008 0:00:59 GMT -5
They're cramming all this **** into one hour Where have you been for the past forever? My bad, two.
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Post by tnafan4life on Jan 16, 2008 0:04:55 GMT -5
"If TNA changed back to the way it was...Before we had Jeff Hardy/Christian/Angle walking in and obtaining a title shot on the spot, before the company got off on being rebellious..."
Are you kidding me? Kurt Angle signed in Sepetember & wins the title in June which is 9 months. Christian is the shortest time (I think) with 3 months. Also, Hardy hasn't been here since 2005.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 0:05:35 GMT -5
I'm gonna rant for a second... Why are people complaining (Not you really cool button man) about all of the names (WWE/WCW/Etc)?? Names = Ratings.. The common fan won't tune in to see Joe or Styles.. The common fan wants to see Sting and Jarrett and Angle.. (.) This part of the fan base wants to see anything with a man in tights wrestling (...) This wants to see Your product, good or bad (......) This just want to see the names.. THe big stars (.........) This is the part that hates wrestling and don't care (.) You need these (...) You need these (...... ) You want these Everyone else em
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Post by Phoenix Nitro on Jan 16, 2008 0:39:09 GMT -5
"If TNA changed back to the way it was...Before we had Jeff Hardy/Christian/Angle walking in and obtaining a title shot on the spot, before the company got off on being rebellious..." Are you kidding me? Kurt Angle signed in Sepetember & wins the title in June which is 9 months. Christian is the shortest time (I think) with 3 months. Also, Hardy hasn't been here since 2005. I'm talking about WHEN Hardy showed up. And don't even get me started on Booker T. He walked in and said he wants a title shot, right off the bat. They've been doing this crapnon-stop. The references towards WWE, the VKM, Rhyno talking on an open mic about how WWE is SO unfair, etc...This is all just TNA trying to be rebellious. The six sided ring? The logo? The set up? All an image. What's in an image if you've gone and ed the whole game up?
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Post by deskjet on Jan 16, 2008 1:38:12 GMT -5
I'm gonna rant for a second... Why are people complaining (Not you really cool button man) about all of the names (WWE/WCW/Etc)?? Names = Ratings.. The common fan won't tune in to see Joe or Styles.. The common fan wants to see Sting and Jarrett and Angle.. (.) This part of the fan base wants to see anything with a man in tights wrestling (...) This wants to see Your product, good or bad (......) This just want to see the names.. THe big stars (.........) This is the part that hates wrestling and don't care (.) You need these (...) You need these (...... ) You want these Everyone else em The Common fan barely tunes in NOW!!! Back to what the origninal psoter said. Good Points. I like watching TNA because I'm hoping to pull somehting good from it. TNA has turned to garbage tv. Russo doesnt seem to get that that crap worked when people were'nt expecting it. People want something interesting, not ignorant. I agree I'm sick of seeing Jason, freddy, king kong, and godzilla fight all the time on the show in the same damn type of matches. And dont get me wrong i love the top area of the female anatomy but good grief, every other segment some chick is fallin outta her top. So ya got monsters, boobs, breifcases, and dumb storylines. Wow, stuck in the 90's much? I mean look at the Hardy/Orton feud, now that's how you build a feud. when that's done you go on to the next feud. TNA has 2 #1 contenders waiting in the wings and 3 other guys going for the title in a few weeks...Totally disorganized. Perhaps its the unpredictabiltiy that keeps me coming back, but that's also what keeps people away.
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Post by techn9ne77 on Jan 16, 2008 9:30:30 GMT -5
I don't think that's anything that has to be said. People all over these forums and on wrestling sites have been pointing out TNA's screwups for quite a while now. In fact, me and another poster pointed out pretty much the same things in the very thread that you copied and pasted this from. Actually to be honest, talking about all the bad things TNA is doing is really easy at this point. Not to be repetitive (as I spent a decent amount of time talking about this in the other thread), but you would seriously have to be insane not to see the changes (for the worse) in TNA. Granted they'll allow a great match here and there, but with the booking the way it is now, TNA will stay stuck in the same place.
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Post by newfrigginshow on Jan 16, 2008 9:47:53 GMT -5
I think it's been proven these names don't draw. The ratings have been the same and the PPV buys have been going down hill since the spike in buys for Angle Joe #1. The prodcut is confusing, the storylines are nonsensical, and it all serves to get in the way of what could be good wrestling. They have so much time to devote to Rellik and Black Reign, yet not one minute to Elix Skipper or Chris Harris both of whom are much better workers and could be good personalities if they gave them a chance.
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Post by Master Lewpac on Jan 16, 2008 16:13:46 GMT -5
There are sooo many things wrong with what you said. And lets start with you calling the mod biased.. The way you are slamming TNA, and speaking for EVERYONE, you too are being biased. You said that "no one follows the story lines" Well, I for one, would much rather see where the Abyss/James Mitchell thing is going before I see what legend is going to job to Randy Orton.. You say that theres RARELY GOOD WRESTLING? Dude... You have to be high.. No, because Ive been high... You have to be blind, in order to say such a thing. Do you not pay attention to the matches when you watch them, and then come on these forums, and jump down TNA's throat just because everyone else is? Jesus christ, TNA's wrestling blows the E's out of the water. EVERYTHING in the E is repetitive. Every second of every match you know what move is coming.. Oh look, Orton dropped a Knee, HHH used a spine buster, WHISPER IN THE WIND BAH GAWD WHISPER IN THE WIND!!! Look at TNA's women's division. There is better wrestling just in there than WWE has had since the 80s. Dont even get me started on "WWE Rejects" because it just shows just how stupid ALL OF YOU who use that are. Do you not realize that EVERYONE has been somewhere before they were in the E? Aside from the ones who CANT wrestle, or entertain anyone, like Cena and Lashley. Who chances are, you mark out for. I dont hear anyone calling CM Punk a ROH or TNA reject. I dont hear anyone saying Finlay is a WCW reject, or Ric Flair is a WCW, or NWA reject. The fact is, when some one is released, no matter if its in wrestling, or in the real world, you will always go some where else to make money. If you cant see that, you have the brain of a blow up doll. I think ive made my point, and dont need to prove you wrong anymore. G'day.
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Post by Phoenix Nitro on Jan 16, 2008 16:58:51 GMT -5
There are sooo many things wrong with what you said. And lets start with you calling the mod biased.. The way you are slamming TNA, and speaking for EVERYONE, you too are being biased. You said that "no one follows the story lines" Well, I for one, would much rather see where the Abyss/James Mitchell thing is going before I see what legend is going to job to Randy Orton.. You say that theres RARELY GOOD WRESTLING? Dude... You have to be high.. No, because Ive been high... You have to be blind, in order to say such a thing. Do you not pay attention to the matches when you watch them, and then come on these forums, and jump down TNA's throat just because everyone else is? Jesus christ, TNA's wrestling blows the E's out of the water. EVERYTHING in the E is repetitive. Every second of every match you know what move is coming.. Oh look, Orton dropped a Knee, HHH used a spine buster, WHISPER IN THE WIND BAH GAWD WHISPER IN THE WIND!!! Look at TNA's women's division. There is better wrestling just in there than WWE has had since the 80s. Dont even get me started on "WWE Rejects" because it just shows just how stupid ALL OF YOU who use that are. Do you not realize that EVERYONE has been somewhere before they were in the E? Aside from the ones who CANT wrestle, or entertain anyone, like Cena and Lashley. Who chances are, you mark out for. I dont hear anyone calling CM Punk a ROH or TNA reject. I dont hear anyone saying Finlay is a WCW reject, or Ric Flair is a WCW, or NWA reject. The fact is, when some one is released, no matter if its in wrestling, or in the real world, you will always go some where else to make money. If you cant see that, you have the brain of a blow up doll. I think ive made my point, and dont need to prove you wrong anymore. G'day. The mod = biased. My opinion was totally un-biased towards the 'E'. Hell, I LIKED TNA (What is it with illiterate people?) However, this guy closed a topic, and made sure he got a last word in, saying that a lot of WWE stuff sucks. He LOCKED the topic, so no-one would reply to him. Then we PM eachother, and he goes on to say, "I'm a mod, I have that power.", so I post it here. Then he just says, "Well said.", in order to avoid looking like an ass. See, but now, you're completely bashing WWE, whereas I pointed out faults in both companies. "TNA iz teh noo faces of professnal werstlg!!1" is what I'm hearing from you. And y'know what? It's not. YOU ARE BIASED. Please accept that. You're just another straight up fan of ONE federation, pissing on all the others. You're like a guy who buys an X-Box, and says the Wii is terrible and you'll never play it. Get over yourself...I don't judge TNA because everyone else does. I actually WATCH both, and process what's known as a THOUGHT before opening my fat happy mouth! You'd have to be high AND blind, to NOT see the changes in TNA. The women's division? Yeah. Because when I think pro wrestling, oh yeah...I in' think chicks in mini skirts, mixing it up with Donkey Kong. Let's see...More proof of you being illiterate. Either that, or you NEVER look at the WWE board (more proof of you being biased, too.). I could care less about Cena, or Lashely. In fact, I drew the line when Lashley wrestled three matches in a night! He needs to GET a personality, QUICK. He needs to stop being so timid, and if he can't think of some color to his monochrome character, he AT LEAST needs to do something marketable for WWE. , throw a red and yellow bandanna on him, that seems to get everyone right to the top. (Big show) Cena? Don't even get me started. I lost faith even BEFORE One Night Stand. If you must know, I mark out for Alex Shelly. And Chris Sabin. And Paul London. People...WITH TALENT! Nobody calls WWE superstars rejects of another company, and you're right. Wanna know WHY? Because WWE is considered top-of-the-line by most of the nation. I didn't say it, they did. They are the McDonalds of Pro Wrestling, where as TNA is Burger King, ROH is Wendy's , and everything else... , Jack in the Box, for all I care. These wrestlers get released, then go elsewhere to make money. Yes, but most of them are out of shape, and get released from the 'E' for a reason. (I can't say that for guys like Tomko, Killings, Raven, etc. but you get the idea) The truth is, they need to make money ELSEWHERE. Most of them, anyway. They get released because they can no longer wrestle the way they used to. They no longer entertain. Tell me, could you even stomach Booker before he left WWE? I couldn't. Great example; Kane's retiring at some point. He has a degree in English. Should he wrestle for TNA? No...HE SHOULD BECOME A IN' ENGLISH TEACHER! Put some reading glasses on the Big Red Machine, because I know I don't want to see a flabby shell of one's former self cutting promos in the middle of "The 'NEW' Face of professional wrestling"'s ring. This is NOT a biased post, you incapacitated mark-out weasel. This is my clear observation, and point of view, NO-ONE elses. I could bash the WWE, but we're not on the in' WWE board, are we, buddy? There's a fat in' TNA PRO WRESTLING sign on this board. If you need me to point out more of WWE's obvious flaws (So you no longer CRY), I can do that. Because we all know it's there. Hell, even ROH is ing up their roster! I could continue to go on about this, but I no longer need to. Thank you for proving me, and quite a few others in this small post, absolutely right. G'day to you, too, mate. (^^^See that? I put TWO kisses.)
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Post by lonerchick on Jan 16, 2008 17:42:38 GMT -5
wow....some of you take this WAY too seriously...let ppl think what they wanna think...even if it is completly ridiculous or completly genius
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Post by Heresy on Jan 16, 2008 20:57:08 GMT -5
Jesus christ, TNA's wrestling blows the E's out of the water. EVERYTHING in the E is repetitive. Every second of every match you know what move is coming.. Oh look, Orton dropped a Knee, HHH used a spine buster, WHISPER IN THE WIND BAH GAWD WHISPER IN THE WIND!!! If WWE is too predictable and repetetive... TNA is too unfocused and disorganized. Look at TNA's women's division. There is better wrestling just in there than WWE has had since the 80s. TNA's women's division is SO overrated. Dont even get me started on "WWE Rejects" because it just shows just how stupid ALL OF YOU who use that are. Do you not realize that EVERYONE has been somewhere before they were in the E? WWE never diluted it's product with externally established wrestlers... in fact, Vince did the smart thing (business-wise) and put his own talent before the WCW and ECW talent he signed. I don't recall Booker T and RVD fighting over a bitch-made Steve Austin like a jelly doughnut back during the invasion. In the end, Vince protects the guys that put him on the map and keeps him there. TNA clearly doesn't. I dont hear anyone calling CM Punk a ROH or TNA reject. I dont hear anyone saying Finlay is a WCW reject, or Ric Flair is a WCW, or NWA reject. You're not a reject if you take a step up in your job. The fact is, when some one is released, no matter if its in wrestling, or in the real world, you will always go some where else to make money. If you cant see that, you have the brain of a blow up doll. No one expects an ex-WWE employee to say "Wait a minute... if I sign with TNA I could be holding back talent and hindering a young promotion's success." It's TNA's job to be selective and sign guys that'll actually... ya know... benefit the company.
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Post by jake_317 on Jan 16, 2008 21:08:00 GMT -5
Just because Amazing Kong wrestled in Japan everyone thinks she's amazing. She's nothing special really, just a big girl, who has a decent power move aresenal, and has a good look.
Put it this way, Amazing King CANNOT CALL A MATCH. I know this, Mickie Knuckles had to call their entire match in IWAMS, because she didn't really know how to call a big girl vs. big girl match.
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Post by Iron Man on Jan 16, 2008 21:36:18 GMT -5
Jesus christ, TNA's wrestling blows the E's out of the water. EVERYTHING in the E is repetitive. Every second of every match you know what move is coming.. Oh look, Orton dropped a Knee, HHH used a spine buster, WHISPER IN THE WIND BAH GAWD WHISPER IN THE WIND!!! If WWE is too predictable and repetetive... TNA is too unfocused and disorganized. TNA's women's division is SO overrated. WWE never diluted it's product with externally established wrestlers... in fact, Vince did the smart thing (business-wise) and put his own talent before the WCW and ECW talent he signed. I don't recall Booker T and RVD fighting over a bitch-made Steve Austin like a jelly doughnut back during the invasion. In the end, Vince protects the guys that put him on the map and keeps him there. TNA clearly doesn't. You're not a reject if you take a step up in your job. The fact is, when some one is released, no matter if its in wrestling, or in the real world, you will always go some where else to make money. If you cant see that, you have the brain of a blow up doll. No one expects an ex-WWE employee to say "Wait a minute... if I sign with TNA I could be holding back talent and hindering a young promotion's success." It's TNA's job to be selective and sign guys that'll actually... ya know... benefit the company. AMEN, perfectly said!
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Post by techn9ne77 on Jan 16, 2008 22:32:31 GMT -5
TNA's women's division is SO overrated. I was agreeing with every single thing you said until I got to this quote. I don't think the TNA women's division is overrated at all, especially for U.S. women's wrestling. I think people overrated the WWE women's division, Lita, & Trish Stratus (blasphemy?!) as workers moreso than this division. If you're ranking women's wrestling, obviously All-Japan throughout the 80s is easily at the top as far as talent and work rate. The only other references for women's wrestling you can go back to is the LPWA in the early 90s (decent), GLOW in the 80s, and WOW in 2000 (the latter two pretty horrid when it came to actual work rate). With the exception of Shimmer, name me an organization that has what TNA has (and most of the women in TNA made their name in Shimmer). Not only does TNA have women who can really work (and look good doing it) but so far it has been booked to be more about competition & the title than HLA and/or Lingerie Pillow Fights.
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