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Post by MattelsRule on Aug 5, 2008 22:56:18 GMT -5
I don't want to go on a long tangent here as I'm about ready for bed... but I just want to touch on how frustrated I am hearing about Foley possibly leaving after SummerSlam because Vince is screaming at him behind the headset.
I just don't get the WWE. They are on the verge of losing more and more fans by the day, and they can't seem to get it right even when its right in front of their face. I am so genuinely bored by these days of Cena and Batista, and everything else going on with the company that I question why I clutter my room in WWE junk anymore... but that's a whole different story..
Foley is God. Plain and simple. He brings so much to the announce table. I remember the days when wrestlers turned commentators came in, had fun and did their job. The fans were happy to see them interact with the storylines occasionally and to hear their opinions on the current events. Mick Foley deserves better.... I've always felt that he's been cheated by the company.. I know many argue that WWE would have been fine with or without the guy... but I truly feel that he brings a bit of authenticity to the company right now and that they need to keep him happy. I'm sick of the color commentating teams being switched around so often right now. Let's face facts. They are all utter crap. There was no real need to split up Ross and Lawler. They just did it to do it. They need heel commentators.... yet they have about six babyface commentators right now. Foley could be great in a) a heel role on commentary b) in his role now just having fun and entertaining his fans.
Yet, Vince wants matches called WWE style. Eh, fact is, WWE is not fun anymore. It's in a sad, pathetic shell of itself. It's force fed junk. All of it. Nobody does anything to get over anymore. It's not the commentator's job to make Great Khali look good every week when one minute he's JTTS and the next he's Triple H's main event opponent at the second biggest event of the year. It's not Foley's fault the writers are clueless scumbags. It's not Foley's fault that the WWE fanbase is a bunch of 10 year olds. Honestly, anyone over 20 in here - tell me it doesn't make you just a little sad when you go to a WWE event and see the target audience you see... WWE could have it all... They choose to bland everything out. Good Vince, lose Foley. Lose Flair. Dump it all in the trash. Continue to erase history. Feed us more terrible surprises and useless talent that will amount to nothing with mic skills of Scott Putski.
I know people are gonna say "don't watch", but I'm sorry....a company I've been loyal to for 20 years is not that easy to say goodbye to... as I always seem to have a little hope... but now, I just see that glimmer of hope slipping away...
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Post by miserere on Aug 5, 2008 23:24:36 GMT -5
I always liked how for so many years Foley was going through the announce table, and now he is the one behind it. But yeah, I agree with your points.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Aug 5, 2008 23:27:38 GMT -5
If Vince should scream at anyone, it's Matt Striker. Dammit, nobody cares about James Curtis! We're trying to put over an out-of-shape Chris Harris here!
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Post by jericholic226 on Aug 6, 2008 1:17:29 GMT -5
yea vince should really let him be
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Post by vandutch on Aug 6, 2008 5:38:54 GMT -5
I have not heard about Vince being upset with him, but I have defnitely noticed that he is more subdued now that he's working with Jim Ross. With Michael Cole as a partner, he was always cracking jokes and telling stories about the divas. This has rarely been the case now that he is attempting to be serious next to Ross.
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Post by flying-shorty on Aug 6, 2008 5:44:11 GMT -5
Theres a condition Narcissitic... someone who has a high opinion of themselves, spends ages wrapped up in their own fantasies and even when told they are wrong believes its the other persons fault not theres! Narcissism = Vince McMahon
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Post by heartbreak2008 on Aug 6, 2008 6:17:01 GMT -5
Foley Is A Great Hardcore Wrestler But A Bit Rust At Commentating, Maybe Vince Is Right
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Post by chokeslamcena on Aug 6, 2008 7:34:42 GMT -5
I think you're over-exaggerating.
Yeah, Foley is great, I'll agree with that.
However, just because you have lost interest in WWE means.. erm... whats the word.. oh yeah, it means nothing.
You're simply getting older. Bradshaw a few years back lost a tag match. His tag team partner Faarooq got 'fired' because of the loss. later in the night, Bradshaw came to the ring, clotheslined Eddie Guerrero and was suddenly a main eventer.
Brock Lesnar debuted and destroyed both hardy's instantly.
Buidling wrestlers up, or them "getting over" is different now than it was in 1980. Storylines, Gimmicks, etc. make wrestlers who they are nowadays. If WWE's target audiences are the kids who appreciate it and dont bitch and moan about everything on the internet, then so be it.
WWE are the biggest promotion in the world. They have no competition (dont even bother to mention the Disney attraction). They can do as they feel. They are currently doing just fine for their current position. People on the internet cant see anything good in WWE. Everything is negative all the time. Why should WWE bother to please these people?
They switched their target audience to the kids that wont bash them 24/7 instead of the adults to will constantly bash, yet tune in anyway.
You don't have to like what they're doing, but they're going to do it regardless.
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Post by bestinthebuisness on Aug 6, 2008 8:27:51 GMT -5
Well imo foley is great at everything he has and will ever do. Screw Vince.
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Post by Mirror Images on Aug 6, 2008 8:32:14 GMT -5
At the end of the day Vince is the boss the buck stops at him. Have you ever considered that maybe over the years you have grown up and your idea of whats fun has changed rather than it being wrestling thats changed.
When I was 12 I found things fun. At 25 I dont find it as fun anymore. I think alot of the time I think we as fans are the ones who have changed and the product doesnt appeal to us anymore because maybe weve out grown it without realising.
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Post by dxfan13 on Aug 6, 2008 8:49:50 GMT -5
If foley can't take the heat get out of the kitchen....Lawler, Jr, Cole, JBL and even more i don't care to name all dealt with it and Foley can't? He should just suck it up......
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Post by cjs. on Aug 6, 2008 14:39:50 GMT -5
I think you're over-exaggerating. Yeah, Foley is great, I'll agree with that. However, just because you have lost interest in WWE means.. erm... whats the word.. oh yeah, it means nothing. You're simply getting older. Bradshaw a few years back lost a tag match. His tag team partner Faarooq got 'fired' because of the loss. later in the night, Bradshaw came to the ring, clotheslined Eddie Guerrero and was suddenly a main eventer. Brock Lesnar debuted and destroyed both hardy's instantly. Buidling wrestlers up, or them "getting over" is different now than it was in 1980. Storylines, Gimmicks, etc. make wrestlers who they are nowadays. If WWE's target audiences are the kids who appreciate it and dont bitch and moan about everything on the internet, then so be it. WWE are the biggest promotion in the world. They have no competition (dont even bother to mention the Disney attraction). They can do as they feel. They are currently doing just fine for their current position. People on the internet cant see anything good in WWE. Everything is negative all the time. Why should WWE bother to please these people? They switched their target audience to the kids that wont bash them 24/7 instead of the adults to will constantly bash, yet tune in anyway. You don't have to like what they're doing, but they're going to do it regardless. Did you just call WWE the biggest promotion in the world? And I believe TNA is Universal, not Disney.
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Post by CBT on Aug 6, 2008 16:16:20 GMT -5
I always liked how for so many years Foley was going through the announce table, and now he is the one behind it. But yeah, I agree with your points. I love that analogy.
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Post by mrchase on Aug 6, 2008 17:18:34 GMT -5
...It's not Foley's fault that the WWE fanbase is a bunch of 10 year olds. Honestly, anyone over 20 in here - tell me it doesn't make you just a little sad when you go to a WWE event and see the target audience you see... WWE could have it all... They choose to bland everything out. Good Vince, lose Foley. Lose Flair. Dump it all in the trash. Continue to erase history. Feed us more terrible surprises and useless talent that will amount to nothing with mic skills of Scott Putski. I know people are gonna say "don't watch", but I'm sorry....a company I've been loyal to for 20 years is not that easy to say goodbye to... as I always seem to have a little hope... but now, I just see that glimmer of hope slipping away... no it does not make me sad when i go to a WWE event and see the target audience you see because that is age i was when i started watching .it makes me smile because the kids should come first not old greedy selfish fan who forgot how he became a wrestling fan & what age he was . WWE was for the kids in the 80's & the early 90's not the adults . you sound like some old greedy selfish fan who forgot how he became a wrestling fan & what age he was because most wrestling fans start as lilte kids not teenagers or gorwn ups . so you are wrong sir.WWe doe not contunue to erase hisotry .We is the ones who continue to keep history a life. TNA is the one who Continues to erase history not WWe .WWE has 24/7 & dvd on the history of wrestling.
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Post by mrchase on Aug 6, 2008 17:23:57 GMT -5
Well imo foley is great at everything he has and will ever do. Screw Vince. without vince mick foley would have never been world champion or as famous . mick foley owes vince everything .vince does not owe foley anything. so you are wrong for saying screw vince when vince has bean doing this longer then foley ever has .Vince was a commentator before foley ever wrestled .vince knows better about being a commentator then foley & you .
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MattelsRule
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Post by MattelsRule on Aug 6, 2008 19:07:04 GMT -5
...It's not Foley's fault that the WWE fanbase is a bunch of 10 year olds. Honestly, anyone over 20 in here - tell me it doesn't make you just a little sad when you go to a WWE event and see the target audience you see... WWE could have it all... They choose to bland everything out. Good Vince, lose Foley. Lose Flair. Dump it all in the trash. Continue to erase history. Feed us more terrible surprises and useless talent that will amount to nothing with mic skills of Scott Putski. I know people are gonna say "don't watch", but I'm sorry....a company I've been loyal to for 20 years is not that easy to say goodbye to... as I always seem to have a little hope... but now, I just see that glimmer of hope slipping away... no it does not make me sad when i go to a WWE event and see the target audience you see because that is age i was when i started watching .it makes me smile because the kids should come first not old greedy selfish fan who forgot how he became a wrestling fan & what age he was . WWE was for the kids in the 80's & the early 90's not the adults . you sound like some old greedy selfish fan who forgot how he became a wrestling fan & what age he was because most wrestling fans start as lilte kids not teenagers or gorwn ups . so you are wrong sir.WWe doe not contunue to erase hisotry .We is the ones who continue to keep history a life. TNA is the one who Continues to erase history not WWe .WWE has 24/7 & dvd on the history of wrestling. I agree with you - I do. I thought about it. I know that I was little when I started watching ... and that it should be targeted for a younger audience as they have a very vivid imagination and can suspend their disbelief, unlike me. But I still feel like Vince owes a lot of his rise to the older fan who was eating the crap up... he should make an attempt to keep them happy... although there are about five good shows a year. I guess I should either accept it or let it go..
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Post by Gussy on Aug 6, 2008 19:35:01 GMT -5
People, especially wrestlers working for Vince need to know that Vince is the boss and you have to say and do whatever he tells you to. He pays you, you listen and do your job. Oviously foley is doing something wrong for vince ot yell at him. It's like any other job, the boss is gonna yell at you if you're doing something wrong cause if you wern't doing anything wrong, then you wouldn't get yelled at. i love foley but thats just how it is.
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Post by MattelsRule on Aug 6, 2008 20:52:48 GMT -5
If someone is making you money and they have proven that they will continue to earn for you by doing what they do best..... the boss should be able to focus his attention on someone who isn't doing their job and allow you your peace. That's all I'm saying. Foley is doing what he's paid to do. There is no need to yell at a mature, intelligent and loyal adult that works for you... I don't care what your name is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 20:56:35 GMT -5
I think you're over-exaggerating. Yeah, Foley is great, I'll agree with that. However, just because you have lost interest in WWE means.. erm... whats the word.. oh yeah, it means nothing. You're simply getting older. Bradshaw a few years back lost a tag match. His tag team partner Faarooq got 'fired' because of the loss. later in the night, Bradshaw came to the ring, clotheslined Eddie Guerrero and was suddenly a main eventer. Brock Lesnar debuted and destroyed both hardy's instantly. Buidling wrestlers up, or them "getting over" is different now than it was in 1980. Storylines, Gimmicks, etc. make wrestlers who they are nowadays. If WWE's target audiences are the kids who appreciate it and dont bitch and moan about everything on the internet, then so be it. WWE are the biggest promotion in the world. They have no competition (dont even bother to mention the Disney attraction). They can do as they feel. They are currently doing just fine for their current position. People on the internet cant see anything good in WWE. Everything is negative all the time. Why should WWE bother to please these people? They switched their target audience to the kids that wont bash them 24/7 instead of the adults to will constantly bash, yet tune in anyway. You don't have to like what they're doing, but they're going to do it regardless. Did you just call WWE the biggest promotion in the world? And I believe TNA is Universal, not Disney. The only thing close to WWE is Japan. As much as I respect ROH for all the talent they have, I can't see them being a big threat to WWE. TNA is another story, they can't even get good enough ratings to justify them being a threat.
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Post by papiontheshortbus on Aug 6, 2008 23:02:42 GMT -5
Well imo foley is great at everything he has and will ever do. Screw Vince. without vince muick foley would have never been world champion or as famous . mick foley owes vince everything .vince does not owe foley anything. so you are wrong for saying screw vince when vince has bean doing this longer then foley ever has .Vince was a commentator before foley ever wrestled .vince knows better about being a commentator then foley & you . Excuse me, who's Muick Foley ?
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