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Post by PdW2kX on Aug 8, 2008 13:53:15 GMT -5
Interesting news, courtesy of MMA Weekly.
Georges St-Pierre and BJ Penn first fought at UFC 58, more than two years ago. Penn dominated the first round but lost a close split decision to the Canadian mixed martial arts superstar. Penn confirmed to MMAWeekly that he expects to be back in the octagon in Dec. against the winner of St-Peirre and Jon Fitch at UFC 87. But UFC president Dana White is not so sure.
"I don't think he'll get the winner of Fitch and GSP, said the UFC president. "He wants to fight GSP if GSP wins the title. GSP has a win over him. He wants to try to beat GSP. I don't think he'd move up if Fitch won."
Penn disagrees, commenting, "I'd feel okay facing anyone for the welterweight title."
"Jon Fitch is a great opponent, a tough opponent, but St. Pierre brings the whole backing of Canada with him to a fight," stated Penn. "Fan base, this sport, it's entertainment. It would be great to put on a big fight with me and St-Pierre, but then again, it’s about me fighting the best fighter and if Fitch goes down and proves he’s the best fighter, then he’s the man.”
Penn recently told MMAWeekly.com that he wants to bounce back and forth between the 170 and 155 pound weight divisions. "I'd like to fight welterweight and lightweight at the same time if I could," said the former welterweight champion.
"I'm moving up to the welterweight division and moving down to defend the lightweight title," stated the UFC lightweight titleholder.
Penn expects his next fight to be at welterweight and to be against the winner of St-Pierre and Fitch. "I'm looking at the Florian/Huerta fight and I'm also looking and the Georges St-Pierre/Jon Fitch fight," stated the Hawaiian fighter.
So, like Anderson, BJ hopes to bounce between weights while also defending his belt. If anyone besides Silva can do something of that kind, it'd definitely be BJ.
Getting an automatic shot at the belt after GSP/Fitch may be a bit too soon, though.
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Post by Codesters on Aug 8, 2008 14:35:14 GMT -5
I agree, Penn could definately pull it off, but he may have to win one or two fights before a title shot
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Post by PdW2kX on Aug 8, 2008 14:38:59 GMT -5
I agree.
Like I said in the GSP topic, it's not really about "proving yourself" because folks like BJ and Anderson and GSP really don't have anything left to prove.
I think it's more about earning your fair shake. Just getting a title opportunity right out of the gate is a bit...bleh, for lack of a better term.
Even though BJ and GSP and Anderson are some of the world's finest (and some of the greatest of all time, let's be honest), I just wouldn't like to see any of them get a title shot handed to them on a silver platter.
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Post by Codesters on Aug 8, 2008 14:45:57 GMT -5
thats what i was going to say. Its more of a whats fair is fair thing....not a right of passage.
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Post by DWright on Aug 8, 2008 15:05:50 GMT -5
According to MMAweekly.com BJ Penn faces the winner in December. So...
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Post by Mr. Orange on Aug 8, 2008 15:06:30 GMT -5
I'm all for him going to Welterweight, but I hope this time he comes in with good cardio.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 8, 2008 15:11:21 GMT -5
I love Penn because he truly wants to fight the best fighters, regardless of weight class.
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Post by Codesters on Aug 8, 2008 15:56:31 GMT -5
According to MMAweekly.com BJ Penn faces the winner in December. So... I was wrong! Just say it!  |
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Post by DWright on Aug 8, 2008 16:37:06 GMT -5
According to MMAweekly.com BJ Penn faces the winner in December. So... I was wrong! Just say it! Well I mean, I didn't wanna just say you were wro--YOU'RE ALWAYS WRONG! ...oops. But yeah, that's not official or anything, but it at least means it's been discussed and is probable. I for one would love to see another GSP/Penn match up sooner than later. This is also gives BJ a reason to eat some donuts. What? He has to put on weight! |
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Post by PdW2kX on Aug 8, 2008 16:51:09 GMT -5
This is also gives BJ a reason to eat some donuts. What? He has to put on weight! You all know what this means. BJ is going back on the ganja (if he ever stopped). Munchies to the rescue! |
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Post by HHH316 on Aug 8, 2008 17:23:09 GMT -5
well, it was bound to happen eventually.
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Post by Codesters on Aug 8, 2008 22:31:46 GMT -5
Bj Penn Diet. Its like the adkins diet, but you can eat carbs.  |
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 9, 2008 2:07:57 GMT -5
Bj Penn Diet. Its like the adkins diet, but you can eat carbs. Lots of donuts. |
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Aug 9, 2008 11:52:39 GMT -5
As it's been said. If anyone can do it, it's BJ.
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Post by moogie101 on Aug 13, 2008 6:26:54 GMT -5
My problem with this is that BJ at Lightweight is ripped, at higher weights though he ischubby & has cardio issues.
I'd rather see hoim stay at 155 & build up a legacy there, hopefully push for Dana to hire several top names & bring them in. Plus in a years or so Faber will have nothing left to do & will be marketable enough for a mega fight between them.
GSP has improved dramitically since the last fight & GSP won that one as well. I think BJ is at his best fighting weight &needs to stay there
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 13, 2008 10:07:51 GMT -5
My problem with this is that BJ at Lightweight is ripped, at higher weights though he ischubby & has cardio issues. I'd rather see hoim stay at 155 & build up a legacy there, hopefully push for Dana to hire several top names & bring them in. Plus in a years or so Faber will have nothing left to do & will be marketable enough for a mega fight between them. I think BJ destroys Faber. They train together sometimes and, from what I hear, BJ just takes him to school. GSP has improved dramitically since the last fight & GSP won that one as well. I think BJ is at his best fighting weight &needs to stay there GSP did win that fight, but it was a split decision and still one of the most controversial decisions in UFC history. |
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Post by moogie101 on Aug 14, 2008 6:37:55 GMT -5
Hey Kliquid I didn't commentn on who would win, just that it will be a huge drawing fight.
As for GSP/BJ 1, is the decision really more controversial than forrest/ Rampage? I think not
However I will conceed it was close, BJ took the first round easilly, could argue it was a 10.8 round & then gSP took the remaining two rounds
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 14, 2008 13:55:28 GMT -5
Hey Kliquid I didn't commentn on who would win, just that it will be a huge drawing fight. Oh yeah, for sure. I'd pay to see it even if I think Penn would win. LoL. As for GSP/BJ 1, is the decision really more controversial than forrest/ Rampage? I think not I absolutely do. The Rampage/Forrest fight was blatantly a win for Forrest... Rampage did almost nothing for most of the fight. At bare minimum, Forrest deserved a unanimous 47/46 win. However I will conceed it was close, BJ took the first round easilly, could argue it was a 10.8 round & then gSP took the remaining two rounds GSP didn't inflict ANY damage that ENTIRE FIGHT. Penn was never in any danger of being submitted, knocked out, or finished in any way. All that GSP did was use his strength to hold Penn down, push him against the cage, and do nothing but "control" him... And it wasn't "control" like Lesnar/Herring where Lesnar was actually landing some big shots -- GSP didn't land anything. GSP ended up in the hospital because Penn lit him up in the first round. I'd definitely say that was a 10-8 round, so even if you give St. Pierre the final two rounds (which is also debateable), that still makes the scoring 28-28. One judge even GAVE THE FIGHT TO PENN! At least Forrest won a unanimous decision... |
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Post by Fury on Aug 15, 2008 2:58:06 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong Kliquid, but the way you presented that argument comes off as totally biased towards BJ Penn. You noted that GSP never really had BJ in trouble, but moreso you didn't point out that BJ never had GSP in any trouble and the only damage that BJ landed was a shot to GSP's eye (nothing illegal about it btw) and that shot was the only reason GSP was in the hospital the rest of that round & fight was either evenly matched stuff or GSP. GSP threw and landed more shots & got multiple takedowns on Penn, sure he wasn't entirely efficient with them but the fact that he connected them with relative ease gets him a nod there, plus BJ was gassing after the first and GSP. Sure it was an evenly matched fight but really I wouldn't say it was controversial, because saying it was controversial instates that it was a wow that fight shouldn't have went that way, when clearly it could've gone either way and you'd nearly have to say that GSP was the more aggressive & was more in control of the fight for rounds 2 & 3. Just because you think the fight should've went the other way doesn't make it controversial. Oh and Cecil Peoples was the judge who scored the bout for BJ  Anyway people need to get over the fact that GSP won and there really wasn't anything controversial about it, just a good hard fought fight that could've went either way. And the fact is the next fight between them will be great action, I'm rooting for and think GSP will win because I think at his best there ain't anyone better than him. But moreso than that I am looking forward to a great fight. |
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 15, 2008 10:55:33 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong Kliquid, but the way you presented that argument comes off as totally biased towards BJ Penn. You noted that GSP never really had BJ in trouble, but moreso you didn't point out that BJ never had GSP in any trouble and the only damage that BJ landed was a shot to GSP's eye (nothing illegal about it btw) and that shot was the only reason GSP was in the hospital the rest of that round & fight was either evenly matched stuff or GSP. Penn also landed a nice shot right on the nose of GSP that messed him up pretty bad and had him bleeding the entire fight. GSP threw and landed more shots & got multiple takedowns on Penn, sure he wasn't entirely efficient with them but the fact that he connected them with relative ease gets him a nod there, plus BJ was gassing after the first and GSP. GSP didn't land anything of significance at all. Look at Penn after the fight -- no damage whatsoever. St. Pierre didn't do ANYTHING in the stand up game. Sure it was an evenly matched fight but really I wouldn't say it was controversial, because saying it was controversial instates that it was a wow that fight shouldn't have went that way, when clearly it could've gone either way and you'd nearly have to say that GSP was the more aggressive & was more in control of the fight for rounds 2 & 3. Just because you think the fight should've went the other way doesn't make it controversial. I disagree. "Controversy" means that there can be debate concerning the event and that a case can be made either way. Obviously a case can be made either way because tons of people were furious about the result of the fight, all three judges gave round 1 to Penn, and one judge even gave the entire fight to Penn. For the fights that are blatantly scored horribly (ala Michael Bisping/Matt Hamill); I don't call that "controversy." I call that a "screwover." LoL. Oh and Cecil Peoples was the judge who scored the bout for BJ Yeah, Peoples doesn't always make stupid decisions. Just usually. |
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