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Post by The Silent Flute (joepetree) on Aug 12, 2008 18:07:16 GMT -5
ok so a couple weeks ago i went to thr ROH PPV taping in Detroit and im standing in line and this guy next to me starts up a conversation and about five minutes go by and he says hey did you hear that ROH is in tals for a Tv Deal and i stand their thinking no freaking way, so i say to the guy what else have you heard about this and he says that they might get a tv deal but it would have to be on their terms like how ECW used to be when it was on Tv,
so i think well you know what comes with wrestling tv shows thats right my friends action figures, so isay oh heck yeah what if Hasbro Starts to make ROH figures in 2009 or 2010 yhat would be awesome so what do you think?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 12, 2008 18:12:48 GMT -5
ok so a couple weeks ago i went to thr ROH PPV taping in Detroit and im standing in line and this guy next to me starts up a conversation and about five minutes go by and he says hey did you hear that ROH is in tals for a Tv Deal and i stand their thinking no freaking way, so i say to the guy what else have you heard about this and he says that they might get a tv deal but it would have to be on their terms like how ECW used to be when it was on Tv, so i think well you know what comes with wrestling tv shows thats right my friends action figures, so isay oh heck yeah what if Hasbro Starts to make ROH figures in 2009 or 2010 yhat would be awesome so what do you think? Hasbro? No way. ROH will not survive on tv. It is doomed to fail. It does not appeal to mainstream wrestling fans. |
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Post by The Silent Flute (joepetree) on Aug 12, 2008 18:32:44 GMT -5
either did ECW but look at them they got an action figure deal a tv deal and a ppv deal ?
oh yeah and ROH already has a PPV deal and ROH is in talks for a tv deal so you never know hopefully it happens even if it doesnt last for like 4 years
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Post by Blade on Aug 12, 2008 18:56:25 GMT -5
ROH TV Deal = Failure.
ECW was very hardcore and cutting edge, that's why they were watched. ROH is going to be losing a ton of money if they go through with it.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 12, 2008 19:09:33 GMT -5
I think ROH can do what ECW did too if they do it right.
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Post by The Silent Flute (joepetree) on Aug 12, 2008 19:25:37 GMT -5
i agree with james if their minds to good use they can acomplish anything
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Aug 12, 2008 21:03:10 GMT -5
ROH would fail on TV. They need to just continue doing business how they are doing it.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 12, 2008 21:07:56 GMT -5
People said the same about ECW and look how well they did on TNN. They were the highest rated show on the network before WWE came in and took the network.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2008 21:11:54 GMT -5
Spike should give TNA the boot and welcome ROH....or ROH could be on another channel, NBC?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 12, 2008 21:16:36 GMT -5
People said the same about ECW and look how well they did on TNN. They were the highest rated show on the network before WWE came in and took the network. Irrelevant. ECW was redefining the wrestling world. ROH is not. They are just the most well known independent. ROH would translate into a much worse version of TNA on tv. It wouldnt have the recognizable names. It would put on better wrestling......but it wont get it done. Most wrestling fans dont know what good wrestling is. Also, ROH is a niche product. It goes to the venues it does and atttracts a few thousand at the most for a reason. its not going to MSG or Ford Field or anything of the like and doing even half the business WWE does. Hell....I dont even think it could compete with TNA and TNA is only drawing a few thousand to its PPVs on the road. |
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Post by Lk™ on Aug 12, 2008 21:35:17 GMT -5
I don't really want ROH to be mainstream, because then the product quality would obviously go down a lot. I like it the way it is now, with it's close cult-following of loyal fans.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Aug 12, 2008 21:40:26 GMT -5
People said the same about ECW and look how well they did on TNN. They were the highest rated show on the network before WWE came in and took the network. Irrelevant. ECW was redefining the wrestling world. ROH is not. They are just the most well known independent. ROH would translate into a much worse version of TNA on tv. It wouldnt have the recognizable names. It would put on better wrestling......but it wont get it done. Most wrestling fans dont know what good wrestling is. Also, ROH is a niche product. It goes to the venues it does and atttracts a few thousand at the most for a reason. its not going to MSG or Ford Field or anything of the like and doing even half the business WWE does. Hell....I dont even think it could compete with TNA and TNA is only drawing a few thousand to its PPVs on the road. Agreed. Not to mention if ROH went to TV WWE and TNA no doubt sign their talent just like WWE and WCW did back in the back. Seriously all ROH needs is for WWE or TNA sign 2 or 3 of their guys and ROH will be in trouble. I honestly couldn't see ROH surviving without Danielson, Nigel & the Briscoes no matter how talented the Claudio's, Hero's, Jacobs & Blacks are. |
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Post by TGTD 2.0 on Aug 12, 2008 21:50:05 GMT -5
I love ROH and all but outside of the fact that it would not survive on TV, I also as a fan would not want it to reach TV. ROH does indeed attract a niche market and in order to work on TV it would need to water down the product which I do not see them doing.
Their current business plan seems to work for them and unlike ECW(which I'm not attacking I LOVED the original ECW) they are financially stable as of late 2005. Between ticket, DVD and other merchandise stand; the company runs fine as is. Why add the additional stress of production for a weekly television show?
WWE has a constant watch of their top talent like Nigel and Dragon( who I think we'll be in WWE in the next year) so sadly I think ROH will never reach even the level of TNA as it will be somewhat of a revolving wheel of talent working through their system and then moving onto else where. Granted they have a substantially better product than TNA I still do not see them achieving any type of success if and when they get a TV deal.
From what I have heard, ROH management would like to have a deal it's not exactly a priority either.
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Post by mrchase on Aug 12, 2008 21:59:00 GMT -5
Irrelevant. ECW was redefining the wrestling world. ROH is not. They are just the most well known independent. ROH would translate into a much worse version of TNA on tv. It wouldnt have the recognizable names. It would put on better wrestling......but it wont get it done. Most wrestling fans dont know what good wrestling is. Also, ROH is a niche product. It goes to the venues it does and atttracts a few thousand at the most for a reason. its not going to MSG or Ford Field or anything of the like and doing even half the business WWE does. Hell....I dont even think it could compete with TNA and TNA is only drawing a few thousand to its PPVs on the road. Agreed. Not to mention if ROH went to TV WWE and TNA no doubt sign their talent just like WWE and WCW did back in the back. Seriously all ROH needs is for WWE or TNA sign 2 or 3 of their guys and ROH will be in trouble. I honestly couldn't see ROH surviving without Danielson, Nigel & the Briscoes no matter how talented the Claudio's, Hero's, Jacobs & Blacks are. sorry but that has already happened WWE is feeding ROH money just like it did ECW . ROH just had money trouble just like ECW did with the PPVs. also TNA has already stole most of ROH's original roster .WWe & TNA have been watching & Signing ROH talent for years. WWe is already looking to sign Danielson. they are just waiting till Danielson's ROH contract ends in may of 2009.ROH is doing better the TNA is right know.ROH has made more money then TNA has.yes ROH is competition for tna. ECW was a niche product also.TNA is only drawing a few thousand to its PPVs on the road because they are cheap wannabe poor man version of WWE .TNA does not even do half the business WWE does ever. ECW originally did not have recognizable names.so that don't matter at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2008 22:08:41 GMT -5
Agreed. Not to mention if ROH went to TV WWE and TNA no doubt sign their talent just like WWE and WCW did back in the back. Seriously all ROH needs is for WWE or TNA sign 2 or 3 of their guys and ROH will be in trouble. I honestly couldn't see ROH surviving without Danielson, Nigel & the Briscoes no matter how talented the Claudio's, Hero's, Jacobs & Blacks are. sorry but that has already happened WWE is feeding ROH money just like it did ECW . ROH just had money trouble just like ECW did with the PPVs. also TNA has already stole most of ROH's original roster .WWe & TNA have been watching & Signing ROH talent for years. WWe is already looking to sign Danielson. they are just waiting till Danielson's ROH contract ends in may of 2009.ROH is doing better the TNA is right know.ROH has made more money then TNA has.yes ROH is competition for tna. ECW was a niche product also.TNA is only drawing a few thousand to its PPVs on the road because they are cheap wannabe poor man version of WWE .TNA does not even do half the business WWE does ever. ECW originally did not have recognizable names.so that don't matter at all. I full agree with mrchase. ECW's originals came up from nobodies to somebodies(nobodies meaning to the mainstream fans), so why couldn't ROH's? |
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Aug 12, 2008 22:14:32 GMT -5
I think ROH can do what ECW did too if they do it right. Me too, dude. Most of people here says they would fail, but we don't really know how bad/good could it be, so I would say we should give it a chance. Maybe they could get a great die-hard fans ala ECW. |
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Post by the franchise on Aug 12, 2008 22:23:19 GMT -5
I could see ROH having some success initially but over the long haul I don't think it would work. I would suspect it would get ratings lower than TNA which would cause almost any network to cancel the program.
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Post by JCWBobC on Aug 12, 2008 22:30:30 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure this was already brought up in a different thread but ROH was on TV back in 2003 in the Philly area and they didn't last very long. It was basically a best of show with different matches from different cards, it wasn't produced like a weekly TV show would be.
I could definately seeing them be on cable TV because wrestling fans will watch anything that has to do with wrestling and the cost is a lot cheaper than network TV. Could they compete with WWE & TNA on network TV? Not a chance unless they brought in name guys (former WWE or possibly WCW guys) that the casual fan would recognize, which would ruin the whole ROH experience.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Aug 12, 2008 22:33:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure this was already brought up in a different thread but ROH was on TV back in 2003 in the Philly area and they didn't last very long. It was basically a best of show with different matches from different cards, it wasn't produced like a weekly TV show would be. I could definately seeing them be on cable TV because wrestling fans will watch anything that has to do with wrestling and the cost is a lot cheaper than network TV. Could they compete with WWE & TNA on network TV? Not a chance unless they brought in name guys (former WWE or possibly WCW guys) that the casual fan would recognize, which would ruin the whole ROH experience. Not only that, but also they would maybe end up like TNA, which isn't a good thing. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 13, 2008 0:30:20 GMT -5
The exact arguments that CM Showstopper says had to do with ECW in it's own time. ECW never had greatly known stars when it was starting up, and they NEVER EVER did huge venues like MSG at all. ROH is very similar to what ECW was.
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