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Post by layton on Sept 14, 2008 23:41:32 GMT -5
How did I justify the PPV to "no end"? I simply said I enjoyed it. I never said it was amazing at all - you want my true opinion on the PPV? Here then: Prince Justice vs. Rock N' Rave Infection - Far from the best match ever but I was entertained by Curry Man and Christy. It even had some solid action in it. PPV worthy? Proball not but it served it's job as a "filler" Kong vs. ODB - Soild match. Not up to par with their Against All Odds(?) match but solid match with some solid action. Kinda disappointed with ODB jobbing out to Kong because it could've skyrocketed her into a match vs. Tayor Wilde for the title. Abyss/Morgan vs. 3D - Sloppy city. Bored. Taylor/Angelina - Not up to Knockouts par but still very enjoyable. Could've delt without Rhino and Kip being at ringside but still enjoyed it. Bashir/Williams/Creed - Awesome back and forth action between the three, nice little spots and a shocking ending that made me HATE Bashir for screwing Petey out of retaining the title - his job was done. Lethal/Dutt - great action, very good finish that made me want to beat the crap out of Val for screwing Lethal over. Still very good match. Beer Money vs. LAX - It was.. umm.. blah. Nothing like Hard Justice but far from the worst match. AJ/Trigg - I enjoyed it. I see why others didn't enjoy it but I found it very good and imo it kinda put AJ over as "tough" since he could've easily got knocked out by Trigg or taped out but he didn't. Then him saying he's a wrestler and tha'ts not what he does put him over aswell. Main Event - Very good way to end the show and I marked out like a little girl when Jarrett hit Angle with the gutair and handed Joe the title. Overall - I was entertained. It wasn't the best PPV this year but better than Victory Road imo. Out of 10 - I would say 6 1/2 of 10 See this is fair. I just felt like every time someone said something remotely negative, you were there to back them up. I guess it came across as defensive on your part, and I just could not understand why nothing they did was bad. This review just looks a lot different than the things I read from you on the board earlier. That is all. I think I would say it was more a 5/10, but I completely respect this review and your opinion. I did not want you to trash the product; I just wanted to hear you say it could have been A LOT better. |
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Post by tnafan4life on Sept 14, 2008 23:43:11 GMT -5
I just like to say "Yeah, this was negative but this and this and this was positive" instead of drowning in negative stuff I think about the positives. I think the only two things I defended was Jarrett's part and the MMA stuff. And I said "to each their own" on the MMA stuff.
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Post by the franchise on Sept 14, 2008 23:44:22 GMT -5
Logically AJ/Trigg should be over in about five seconds. Anything longer is absurd.
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Post by layton on Sept 14, 2008 23:55:31 GMT -5
I just like to say "Yeah, this was negative but this and this and this was positive" instead of drowning in negative stuff I think about the positives. I think the only two things I defended was Jarrett's part and the MMA stuff. And I said "to each their own" on the MMA stuff. I respect the fact that you wanted to stay positive. This board does have way too much of the other side of things, so I like that. I just think a lot of people had legitimate arguments as to why the MMA thing was not entertaining, and why they did not like the end of the show. It is more than fine to defend the things you like, though. I just wanted to ask and see if that is what you were doing, or if you were just defending it, because you did not want people to see TNA as negative. If you were entertained, more power to you and TNA. I wasn't, though. Both opinions are valid. |
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Sept 15, 2008 2:23:15 GMT -5
That MMA thing sucked and Sonjay on Steriods rules...
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Post by deskjet on Sept 15, 2008 10:24:38 GMT -5
Okay. Whatever. I don't care honestly. or is it that you dont want to hear the truth? |
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Post by deskjet on Sept 15, 2008 10:32:22 GMT -5
How did I justify the PPV to "no end"? I simply said I enjoyed it. I never said it was amazing at all - you want my true opinion on the PPV? Here then: Prince Justice vs. Rock N' Rave Infection - Far from the best match ever but I was entertained by Curry Man and Christy. It even had some solid action in it. PPV worthy? Proball not but it served it's job as a "filler" Kong vs. ODB - Soild match. Not up to par with their Against All Odds(?) match but solid match with some solid action. Kinda disappointed with ODB jobbing out to Kong because it could've skyrocketed her into a match vs. Tayor Wilde for the title. Abyss/Morgan vs. 3D - Sloppy city. Bored. Taylor/Angelina - Not up to Knockouts par but still very enjoyable. Could've delt without Rhino and Kip being at ringside but still enjoyed it. Bashir/Williams/Creed - Awesome back and forth action between the three, nice little spots and a shocking ending that made me HATE Bashir for screwing Petey out of retaining the title - his job was done. Lethal/Dutt - great action, very good finish that made me want to beat the crap out of Val for screwing Lethal over. Still very good match. Beer Money vs. LAX - It was.. umm.. blah. Nothing like Hard Justice but far from the worst match. AJ/Trigg - I enjoyed it. I see why others didn't enjoy it but I found it very good and imo it kinda put AJ over as "tough" since he could've easily got knocked out by Trigg or taped out but he didn't. Then him saying he's a wrestler and tha'ts not what he does put him over aswell. Main Event - Very good way to end the show and I marked out like a little girl when Jarrett hit Angle with the gutair and handed Joe the title. Overall - I was entertained. It wasn't the best PPV this year but better than Victory Road imo. Out of 10 - I would say 6 1/2 of 10 See this is fair. I just felt like every time someone said something remotely negative, you were there to back them up. I guess it came across as defensive on your part, and I just could not understand why nothing they did was bad. This review just looks a lot different than the things I read from you on the board earlier. That is all. I think I would say it was more a 5/10, but I completely respect this review and your opinion. I did not want you to trash the product; I just wanted to hear you say it could have been A LOT better. honestly sg, if your opinions were more like that, you wouldnt get so much heat. Focusing on nothing but positives all the time isnt good either especially when there's substantially more negative than positives at times, imo |
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Post by WWF Sim Fed on Sept 15, 2008 11:25:30 GMT -5
Is it me or does TNA never have a clean finish? Nothing ever ends clean with a winner actually winning the match. There are usually interferences after every match to either cointie other feuds or develop a new one but they do it even on Pay-Per-Views. What is the point? And No Surrender was honestly the worst ppv I've ever seen last night. I've rented almost every TNA PPV every since the inception back in 2002 when they ran PPV's every Wednesday night but god they've real fallen off.
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Post by tnafan4life on Sept 15, 2008 12:59:04 GMT -5
Is it me or does TNA never have a clean finish? Nothing ever ends clean with a winner actually winning the match. There are usually interferences after every match to either cointie other feuds or develop a new one but they do it even on Pay-Per-Views. What is the point? And No Surrender was honestly the worst ppv I've ever seen last night. I've rented almost every TNA PPV every since the inception back in 2002 when they ran PPV's every Wednesday night but god they've real fallen off. Bashir/Creed/Williams was pretty much a clean finish. Sometimes the storyline calls for the interfernece (ala Jarrett in the main event) but this whole "It's Team 3D vs blah blah blah and there's Johnny Devine" every match is starting to grind my gears really bad. If you aint got nothing for him besides a run in - RELEASE HIM. |
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Post by takerfandan on Sept 15, 2008 13:33:38 GMT -5
Sonjay's on Steroids?
Pics anyone?
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Post by James Hetfield on Sept 15, 2008 18:14:12 GMT -5
Just watched the PPV. Here's my thoughts....
- Opening Sting Promo: Was this really even needed? It lagged along for quite a while for no apparent reason with Sting's silences. He was talking about how TNA has great talent, which is true, but how can we see them if this promo is taking up so much time? And the term "Snot Nose Baby Brats" is so hardcore.
- Rock N' Rave vs. Prince Justice Brotherhood: Wow, the Prince Justice Brotherhood? What kind of a name is that? This match is sad to watch because it really is a lot of wasted talent. Daniels and Eric Young can be doing way better, as can Jimmy Rave. I would love to know where Rock N Rave would be if Guitar Hero was never released. This was a little bit of a comedy match with the stuff with Hemme and Curry Man. Nothing really great in this match besides the double Death Valley Driver. The match really didn't need to be on the PPV.
- Awesome Kong vs. ODB: I hate womens wrestling, so I'm going to be biased here. I hate this terrible ODB gimmick. Everytime she does her entrance it seriously makes me cringe. I never realized this, but from far away, she looks like a man, which makes her gimmick 10x worse. This was a "Falls Count Anywhere" type match, so that makes it a bit more easier to swallow to me. Some of the stuff was good, such as the crowd fighting and the final table spot. Kong wins with a slam through the table
- Team 3D vs. Abyss & Matt Morgan: Didn't really like this match. It had it's moments. It wasn't a bad match, but it also wasn't a good one by any means. It just seemed slow and pointless. The Doomsday Device was a move that shouldn't have even been attempted. I also thought the whole chair bit was stupid and cheesy.
- Petey Williams vs. Daivari vs. Consequences Creed: I do believe this whole gimmick for Daivari is stupid. His theme music makes me nod my head in shame. It's also kind of weird why he was added to the match. It seems as though because he interfered in the first Williams vs. Creed match, he gets added in the mix. Ugh, this "You Screwed Bret" thing towards Earl Hebner will never end, will it? Anyway, I thought the match was kind of fun. Creed impresses me with his ring presence, as well as his timing. Williams also had some good offense on Creed with his Frankensteiner plancha. Daivari didn't do much in this match that was memorable, so you can tell it pisses me off that he won. It was a pretty shitty way for him to win, but I honestly would have wanted Creed to win. Clearly the best match of the night so far.
- Taylor Wilde vs. Angelina Love: Not sure that I like how they are using Rhino as a body guard for a woman. I personally think Rhino can be a main-event player in TNA, but that's just me. Well, this match isn't fun to watch at all. Granted, this womens match has better looking girls, but the wrestling isn't anything good. The only thing that was pretty cool was Wilde getting hit with that make-up kit. It came out of nowhere, heh. The match reminded me of your standard Monday Night RAW womens match, just bleak and boring. Wilde wins with a Northern Lights suplex.
- Sonjay Dutt vs. Jay Lethal: How are we suppose to take Lethal seriously when he's doing that Macho Man voice, which is meant to be a joke? This whole gimmick match is just stupid as hell to begin with. It isn't as bad as the strip your opponent match, but it still is stupid. There were some cool spots here, such as the backdrop on the ladder (which looked like it hurt like hell), and the flipping senton on Lethal while he was on the ladder. The ending was really stupid, too. It was obvious as all hell if you saw the build up to the match. All in all, cool spots, but thats all it really was good at.
- LAX vs. Beer Money: This is another match that isn't good or bad it's just...there. I figured LAX would have won, but I was wrong. I think both of these teams have some good qualities, but I do think LAX is the better of the two. LAX can consistently have decent to good matches with their opponents, and with Beer Money, it's either a hit or miss. It still amazes me how easily Hernandez can fly over the top rope. It looks cool every time he does it. The ending was just stupid as hell. Can TNA not have a clean finish ever?
- MMA Match - Frank Trigg vs. AJ Styles: Is this really needed? I mean, this is a professional wrestling company, not an MMA company. AJ Styles is not an MMA fighter. Trigg trying to get heel heat before the match was just terrible. How original is insulting the country? Man, just seeing Styles in those gloves makes me want to cry. You can totally tell that a lot of this is worked because realistically, Trigg will probably kill Styles in an MMA match. Hahaha, I really like the "We Want Wrestling", "Fire Russo" and "This is Bullshit" chants that go on during the match. It pretty much sums up my feelings on everything here. The "groin shot" at the end was total crapbecause the camera was right there and you can clearly see he didn't get him in the groin, which goes back to the fact that this whole thing was worked, so it was pointless.
- Samoa Joe vs. Christian Cage vs. Kurt Angle: The match started off a bit slow in the beginning, but it picked up with some cool spots, such as the big belly to belly suplex over the top rope on Christian. Some of this match basically had one on one action while the other guy was on the outside, but it didn't last long. Angle does really well pacing himself during the match and he also takes some pretty hard abuse too from Joe. One thing I didn't like that Angle did ws hump Christian on the apron, but the double ankle lock made up for that. The match ends in a non-clean way, which is no surprise.
All in all, I didn't like most of it. I guess Sting will beat Joe at Bound for Glory with Jarrett's help I think. I just really wish TNA would book Styles vs. Joe, but that would be a GOOD idea, and we know TNA wants to stay away from good ideas.
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Post by The Mac on Sept 18, 2008 8:20:14 GMT -5
Four Ways To Glory
"The Samoan Submission Machine" Joe (c) vs. Booker T vs. "The Olympic Gold Medalist" Kurt Angle vs. "Instant Classic" Christian Cage- This Match rulled and was much better than if Booker.T was there!!! Amazing work put into this Match!!!5/5
(TNA X-Division Championship)
"Maple Leaf Muscle" Petey Williams(c) vs. Consequences Creed vs. Sheik Abdul Bashir- This was one of my Fav matches of the Night, It was great all the way to the end!!!=5/5
(TNA World Tag Team Championship)
Beer Money Inc.(c) vs. The Latin American Xchange-This match was sweet!!! Love Beer Money as champs!!!=4/5
(TNA Knockouts Championship)
Taylor Wilde (c) vs. Angelina Love - This match had some cool stuff put into it and has good spots involed!!!= 3/5
Three, Five Minute Round Matches
Submission Only
AJ Styles vs. Frank Trigg- I actully liked this match but the Crowd ruined it!!! I like to see new stuff!!!3/5
(Winner Gets SoCal Val)
Ladder Match
"Black Machismo" Jay Lethal vs. "The Guru" Sonjay Dutt- This Macth was off teh haina and was well better than I Exspected. I knew it was gonna be good but not Amazing,I would defo put this on the best of 2008 DVD!!! =5/5
ODB vs. Awesome Kong - This Match was very fun and had some cool stuff in, unexspected ending=4-5
The Rock N' Rave Infection vs. The Prince Justice Brother Hood- Had some sweet stuff in and Glad Super Eric Hit his signature Double DVD=4/5
Matt Morgan and Abyss vs. Team 3D - This Match was Really Intresting and had some great spots in = 3/5
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Post by Joey Cush on Sept 18, 2008 8:23:30 GMT -5
SodaGuy! I found you a new Best Friend! ^^ LOL
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Post by jjkotm on Sept 18, 2008 10:00:04 GMT -5
Four Ways To Glory "The Samoan Submission Machine" Joe (c) vs. Booker T vs. "The Olympic Gold Medalist" Kurt Angle vs. "Instant Classic" Christian Cage- This Match rulled and was much better than if Booker.T was there!!! Amazing work put into this Match!!!5/5 (TNA X-Division Championship) "Maple Leaf Muscle" Petey Williams(c) vs. Consequences Creed vs. Sheik Abdul Bashir- This was one of my Fav matches of the Night, It was great all the way to the end!!!=5/5 (TNA World Tag Team Championship) Beer Money Inc.(c) vs. The Latin American Xchange-This match was sweet!!! Love Beer Money as champs!!!=4/5 (TNA Knockouts Championship) Taylor Wilde (c) vs. Angelina Love - This match had some cool stuff put into it and has good spots involed!!!= 3/5 Three, Five Minute Round Matches Submission Only AJ Styles vs. Frank Trigg- I actully liked this match but the Crowd ruined it!!! I like to see new stuff!!!3/5 (Winner Gets SoCal Val) Ladder Match "Black Machismo" Jay Lethal vs. "The Guru" Sonjay Dutt- This Macth was off teh haina and was well better than I Exspected. I knew it was gonna be good but not Amazing,I would defo put this on the best of 2008 DVD!!! =5/5 ODB vs. Awesome Kong - This Match was very fun and had some cool stuff in, unexspected ending=4-5 The Rock N' Rave Infection vs. The Prince Justice Brother Hood- Had some sweet stuff in and Glad Super Eric Hit his signature Double DVD=4/5 Matt Morgan and Abyss vs. Team 3D - This Match was Really Intresting and had some great spots in = 3/5 Somehow I doubt every match on the PPV was three stars or more  |
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Post by thisxfirexburns on Sept 18, 2008 12:43:13 GMT -5
I tried to order it but the cable company wouldnt let me.did I miss anything awesome or something?
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Post by tnafan4life on Sept 18, 2008 12:44:09 GMT -5
SodaGuy! I found you a new Best Friend! ^^ LOL Why? If you look up (First reply) you can cleary see I don't agree with him - I'm not finding the connection. |
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Post by Joey Cush on Sept 18, 2008 12:45:33 GMT -5
I was just joking  |
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Post by tnafan4life on Sept 18, 2008 12:49:30 GMT -5
Oh.  |
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Sept 18, 2008 13:04:43 GMT -5
Four Ways To Glory "The Samoan Submission Machine" Joe (c) vs. Booker T vs. "The Olympic Gold Medalist" Kurt Angle vs. "Instant Classic" Christian Cage- This Match rulled and was much better than if Booker.T was there!!! Amazing work put into this Match!!!5/5 (TNA X-Division Championship) "Maple Leaf Muscle" Petey Williams(c) vs. Consequences Creed vs. Sheik Abdul Bashir- This was one of my Fav matches of the Night, It was great all the way to the end!!!=5/5 (TNA World Tag Team Championship) Beer Money Inc.(c) vs. The Latin American Xchange-This match was sweet!!! Love Beer Money as champs!!!=4/5 (TNA Knockouts Championship) Taylor Wilde (c) vs. Angelina Love - This match had some cool stuff put into it and has good spots involed!!!= 3/5 Three, Five Minute Round Matches Submission Only AJ Styles vs. Frank Trigg- I actully liked this match but the Crowd ruined it!!! I like to see new stuff!!!3/5 (Winner Gets SoCal Val) Ladder Match "Black Machismo" Jay Lethal vs. "The Guru" Sonjay Dutt- This Macth was off teh haina and was well better than I Exspected. I knew it was gonna be good but not Amazing,I would defo put this on the best of 2008 DVD!!! =5/5 ODB vs. Awesome Kong - This Match was very fun and had some cool stuff in, unexspected ending=4-5 The Rock N' Rave Infection vs. The Prince Justice Brother Hood- Had some sweet stuff in and Glad Super Eric Hit his signature Double DVD=4/5 Matt Morgan and Abyss vs. Team 3D - This Match was Really Intresting and had some great spots in = 3/5 Come on now. I'm a TNA fan, but no way was every match 3/5 or higher. And there is no  ing way in hell that the RnR vs. PJB match was anywhere close to being a 4/5 |
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Post by Spicoli~! on Sept 19, 2008 7:45:22 GMT -5
I enjoyed this PPV as its been literally the first one I've seen aside from matches every now and then from random PPVs. My fave match was the X Division Championship, I was happy to see Bashir win a title finally as he was pretty much crapped on in WWE.....even though he doesn't have an extremely flashy moveset, he stole the title and did his job of making everyone mad about it
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