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Post by Quanthor on Aug 19, 2008 12:30:39 GMT -5
Who, Completely Mediocre?
Even if his reign lasted until Mania, I still wouldn't take him seriously as a champion.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 19, 2008 12:36:08 GMT -5
Yes he is a Transitional Champion. Except for last night in his HOME TOWN, the crowd never pops for him, and this was the first time in like 6 weeks that he's actually been on RAW after 9:45pm. Most nights, CM Punk gets no crowd reaction, and he's never even on the 2nd hour of the program, much less ever in the MAIN EVENT as the Champion SHOULD BE. He's going to have to DOMINATE that Championship Scramble in order to be taken seriously. If he gets his ass kicked the entire time and then slips in with a GTS and a pin with 5 secs to go....it's going to look like he barley squeaked by again. so any champion who doesn't appear after EXACTLY 9:45 PM is DEFINITELY a transitional champion? As for me, Punk is definitely not a transitional champion, as he has had an almost 3 month reign. And when he wins at Unforgiven, he can job to Jericho at No Mercy. The only reason he is champion is because they needed to get a World Title back to RAW. He had the MITB, so obviously he was the man that they picked. Since he's been champion, he's hardly been the focus of the show. It's been Shawn Michaels eye, Batista vs Cena, and Kane's sack.
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Post by slappy on Aug 19, 2008 12:37:21 GMT -5
When I think of transitional champs, I think of them holding the belt for a month at the most. It's been longer than that. Punk is not a transitional champ.
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Post by T1 on Aug 19, 2008 12:47:07 GMT -5
Yeah no doubt, he's transitional. Sure he's held the belt for almost two months, but that's because they had no one else to give it to. Cena/Batista were being set into a dream match, one that was big regardless if a title was on the line. It was MUCH higher on the card then Punk's title match. Jericho/HBK have been in this rivalry for months now and when HBK isn't around, Jericho literally does NOTHING. And Kane has been going through a metamorphis as of late, becoming a monster heel. None of those guys needed the belt to help progress their current storylines.
Everybody else on the card is busy. Trust me, Punk will be losing the title to Batista or Cena soon enough.
Either way, Punk's title reign is by far the worst I've seen in 12 years of watching wrestling. It's an embarassment....they did nothing to build him up as a main eventer. When I see him, I think of a midcarder because I think of all the times he got his ass handed to him by Morrison, Chavo, Palumbo, etc.
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Post by slappy on Aug 19, 2008 12:49:33 GMT -5
Yeah no doubt, he's transitional. Sure he's held the belt for almost two months, but that's because they had no one else to give it to. Cena/Batista were being set into a dream match, one that was big regardless if a title was on the line. It was MUCH higher on the card then Punk's title match. Jericho/HBK have been in this rivalry for months now and when HBK isn't around, Jericho literally does NOTHING. And Kane has been going through a metamorphis as of late, becoming a monster heel. None of those guys needed the belt to help progress their current storylines. Everybody else on the card is busy. Trust me, Punk will be losing the title to Batista or Cena soon enough. Either way, Punk's title reign is by far the worst I've seen in 12 years of watching wrestling. It's an embarassment....they did nothing to build him up as a main eventer. When I see him, I think of a midcarder because I think of all the times he got his ass handed to him by Morrison, Chavo, Palumbo, etc. No way his reign is worse than Rey Mysterio's.
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Post by toosteezy on Aug 19, 2008 12:50:12 GMT -5
He is definitely not a transitional champion. Hes held it longer than many people expected him to hold the gold.
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Post by v/\v on Aug 19, 2008 12:54:10 GMT -5
The fact that I still have the feeling of being in a waiting room with him as champ where, eventually he will lose the belt and I feel like every time he defends it really could be his time to drop it, makes him a transitional champion for me. It all feels like they are waiting for the right moment for him to lose it...
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Post by Quanthor on Aug 19, 2008 13:07:35 GMT -5
When I think of transitional champs, I think of them holding the belt for a month at the most. It's been longer than that. Punk is not a transitional champ. Khali had the world title for two months, and he was undoubtedly a transitional champ.
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Post by jfinnomore on Aug 19, 2008 13:52:56 GMT -5
Yes he is a Transitional Champion. Except for last night in his HOME TOWN, the crowd never pops for him, and this was the first time in like 6 weeks that he's actually been on RAW after 9:45pm. Most nights, CM Punk gets no crowd reaction, and he's never even on the 2nd hour of the program, much less ever in the MAIN EVENT as the Champion SHOULD BE. He's going to have to DOMINATE that Championship Scramble in order to be taken seriously. If he gets his ass kicked the entire time and then slips in with a GTS and a pin with 5 secs to go....it's going to look like he barley squeaked by again. crowd went crazy for him at summerslam. . .
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Post by wwfalex04: OUC? on Aug 19, 2008 13:56:13 GMT -5
I think if he wins at Unforgiven most people will be able to take his reign seriously. I don't consider him a transitional champion but I can see why some might still feel that way. I agree and thats why I think Punk will be champion after Unforgiven. He's obviously going to lose it during the scramble, though if he keeps it through out that'll be just WOW. I think his championship reign has been building him up as a serious champion. Though, I do not think he's a main event caliber guy, he can work his way up if the WWE keeps the title on him till at least Surivor Series or even Vengeance.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 19, 2008 14:01:11 GMT -5
Yes he is a Transitional Champion. Except for last night in his HOME TOWN, the crowd never pops for him, and this was the first time in like 6 weeks that he's actually been on RAW after 9:45pm. Most nights, CM Punk gets no crowd reaction, and he's never even on the 2nd hour of the program, much less ever in the MAIN EVENT as the Champion SHOULD BE. He's going to have to DOMINATE that Championship Scramble in order to be taken seriously. If he gets his ass kicked the entire time and then slips in with a GTS and a pin with 5 secs to go....it's going to look like he barley squeaked by again. crowd went crazy for him at summerslam. . . That's because he was facing JBL. JBL is such a hated heel that if he was wrestling a cardboard box the arena would pop for the box. He's still not as cheered as Batista, or even Kane for some reason despite WWE's attempt to turn him heel by feeding him Rey Mysterio (a strong kid favorite and all around fan favorite) he is still heavily cheered.
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Post by aceswild74 on Aug 19, 2008 14:13:31 GMT -5
Yes he is a Transitional Champion. Except for last night in his HOME TOWN, the crowd never pops for him, and this was the first time in like 6 weeks that he's actually been on RAW after 9:45pm. Most nights, CM Punk gets no crowd reaction, and he's never even on the 2nd hour of the program, much less ever in the MAIN EVENT as the Champion SHOULD BE. He's going to have to DOMINATE that Championship Scramble in order to be taken seriously. If he gets his ass kicked the entire time and then slips in with a GTS and a pin with 5 secs to go....it's going to look like he barley squeaked by again. crowd went crazy for him at summerslam. . . as someone who attended SS Sunday night I can tell you he got out-popped by everyone but JBL,Mark Henry, and Great Khali...so...nobody cares about him..thanks
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Post by Heresy on Aug 19, 2008 14:26:54 GMT -5
Every champion is a transitional champion or else there would only be one constant champion.
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Post by TurboEddie on Aug 19, 2008 15:55:52 GMT -5
CM Punk is an incredible champion. He works hard and has so much pride.
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Post by captain master talbot on Aug 19, 2008 16:01:10 GMT -5
If he lost at like GAB, he would've been a transitional champ. Sure, he might not be the strongest looking champ, but he is definitely far from being a transitional champion.
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Post by Sims on Aug 19, 2008 16:11:53 GMT -5
crowd went crazy for him at summerslam. . . as someone who attended SS Sunday night I can tell you he got out-popped by everyone but JBL,Mark Henry, and Great Khali...so...nobody cares about him..thanks That's your opinion and your entitled to it but I care about punks. I don't think he is a transitional champion on paper because of how long he is holding but a lot of folks don't think he is ready and is just holding the belt because RAW didn't have a champion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2008 16:37:38 GMT -5
crowd went crazy for him at summerslam. . . That's because he was facing JBL. JBL is such a hated heel that if he was wrestling a cardboard box the arena would pop for the box. He's still not as cheered as Batista, or even Kane for some reason despite WWE's attempt to turn him heel by feeding him Rey Mysterio (a strong kid favorite and all around fan favorite) he is still heavily cheered. People cheer Kane because he almost beat up Micheal Cole. Bad move when trying to turn someone heel these days. Because 95% of the WWE fans hate Cole for who knows whatever what reason.
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Post by T1 on Aug 19, 2008 16:45:13 GMT -5
Yeah no doubt, he's transitional. Sure he's held the belt for almost two months, but that's because they had no one else to give it to. Cena/Batista were being set into a dream match, one that was big regardless if a title was on the line. It was MUCH higher on the card then Punk's title match. Jericho/HBK have been in this rivalry for months now and when HBK isn't around, Jericho literally does NOTHING. And Kane has been going through a metamorphis as of late, becoming a monster heel. None of those guys needed the belt to help progress their current storylines. Everybody else on the card is busy. Trust me, Punk will be losing the title to Batista or Cena soon enough. Either way, Punk's title reign is by far the worst I've seen in 12 years of watching wrestling. It's an embarassment....they did nothing to build him up as a main eventer. When I see him, I think of a midcarder because I think of all the times he got his ass handed to him by Morrison, Chavo, Palumbo, etc. No way his reign is worse than Rey Mysterio's. Both were bad, but at least Rey had some good matches during his title reign. I have yet to see one good Punk match since he won the belt. and it made more sense for them to go that route with Rey because the guy was the smallest World Champion ever, seven inches and 50 pounds lighter than Punk. Punk is small but he's not Rey Mysterio small.
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Post by Edge618 on Aug 19, 2008 16:59:34 GMT -5
No way his reign is worse than Rey Mysterio's. Both were bad, but at least Rey had some good matches during his title reign. I have yet to see one good Punk match since he won the belt. and it made more sense for them to go that route with Rey because the guy was the smallest World Champion ever, seven inches and 50 pounds lighter than Punk. Punk is small but he's not Rey Mysterio small. Ok, whats your excuse for how Khali's reign was better than Punk's?
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Post by aceswild74 on Aug 19, 2008 17:02:03 GMT -5
as someone who attended SS Sunday night I can tell you he got out-popped by everyone but JBL,Mark Henry, and Great Khali...so...nobody cares about him..thanks That's your opinion and your entitled to it but I care about punks. I don't think he is a transitional champion on paper because of how long he is holding but a lot of folks don't think he is ready and is just holding the belt because RAW didn't have a champion. no, opinion would be if i was just stating how I felt about something...i was there...these are facts that I have stated...
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