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Post by T-Phunk on Aug 21, 2008 17:57:40 GMT -5
Hi guys, I am not sure if this has been posted and I am certain someone will say wrong board, but this is not really an alert for my new pick-up. From this post I think Jakks could learn a lesson about responsibility to their loyal collectors. I recently picked up the Hellboy figures and was so impressed from the detail and craftsmanship. One of my favorites was Wink although I noticed the head looked slightly different from the Wink in the movie. I bought it none-the-less. When I got it home I opened my package and found this at the bottom of it It's a letter apologizing to the consumer for releasing a figure that did not meet the most accurate representation of the character Wink in the movie. Evidently the concept art changed from the point of toy production to the big screen release. Not only were they apologetic about it, they were offering a free replacement head to anyone who purchased this figure. Now I could understand if this was a crappy figure and they knew no one would buy it if they didn't make this offer. Truthfully though, I am amazed by the figure as is. I am going to let you judge for yourself by the pictures below As you Hellboy fans will see the head is not the same as the Wink in the movie. The excellently detailed accessory. A box featuring the royal seal that in the movie was filled with the evil little tooth fairies. Sure beats a face indenting chair or whatever that little bar is that came with RA 34 Shelton Benjamin. The alternate left hand for Wink on that he would use to throw long range strikes. No alternate parts in WWE even when promised like in Max Aggression. A shot to see just how long the chain actually is. Just like the Bruiser Brody chain huh? An image of the back detail. What did Jeremy say about cost effectiveness on Bam Bam Bigelow's back design. Finally a size comparison to RA figures so you can see that this is one big mammo-jammo. If Mezco can stand behind their product like this, why do we have situation where we need to buy CS 19 Rock in CS 20 just to get him without wrist tape? Why do I have to spend 10 minutes examining paint jobs just to make sure I don't get figures with eyes looking in two different directions? Why do we get WWF title belts for WCW champions? Take a memo JP, if you are trolling the site. This is how a toy company shows integrity. This is how a toy maker creates loyalty. This is how Jakks Pacific should conduct business. Please feel free to ask me any question about the figure or request other pics. If the pics are horizontal, I have fixed it on my end so it should right itself shortly. A good day to you all.
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Aug 21, 2008 18:00:29 GMT -5
Jakks is lazy thats why, every figure is just the same parts of old figures with new colors...
However the idiots keep buying these subpar products thus nothing will change as they are getting the money.
Remember how DA was supposed to be a smaller scale, but since people didn't care and just bought the halfass body molds they left it alone.
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Post by outofstep on Aug 21, 2008 18:01:38 GMT -5
oh it's true it's damn true
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Aug 21, 2008 18:06:32 GMT -5
those Hellboy figures are quite nice I must say.
I saw them in TRU while I was browsing to see if they had anything new out in general.
I considered buying them, but I already buy the WWE figures I like, WWE dvds I want, and I collect the Halo line by McFarlane so I can't really afford another collection right now....nor do I have space for it. Nice pickup though.
Jakks does rather lack in the customer support area.
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Post by The Assassin on Aug 21, 2008 18:09:13 GMT -5
that's pretty cool. but a lot of the mistakes Jakks makes they could avoid just by ASKING almost any fan on WF. i mean taking CS18 Rikishi as an example, who made the decision to use that huge torso? they must have never even seen rikishi in real life
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Post by T-Phunk on Aug 21, 2008 18:18:28 GMT -5
that's pretty cool. but a lot of the mistakes Jakks makes they could avoid just by ASKING almost any fan on WF. i mean taking CS18 Rikishi as an example, who made the decision to use that huge torso? they must have never even seen rikishi in real life Amen to that...
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Post by E-Noon on Aug 21, 2008 18:27:34 GMT -5
That is pretty sweet. Jakks can't even get something as simple and important as scale right, its a damn shame. I can't wait until they loose their contracts.
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Post by dodgerman on Aug 21, 2008 18:33:14 GMT -5
Wow, in the years of collecting, i have never received an apology. This does make you think.
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Post by chokeslamcena on Aug 21, 2008 18:36:46 GMT -5
I have a feeling that something like that would be caused by the licensor (Whoever is over Hellboy) and not the licensee (whoever made the figure).
Eg: If we were to get something like that from Jakks, i assume it would be because WWE would have enforced it, not Jakks themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 20:02:08 GMT -5
this just reminds me how lazy Jakks are.
tall kickers on X-pac,
short boots on Nikita,Bomb and Sid
wrist tape on EVERY Rock except 2
and the list goes on
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 21, 2008 20:26:21 GMT -5
I have a feeling that something like that would be caused by the licensor (Whoever is over Hellboy) and not the licensee (whoever made the figure). Eg: If we were to get something like that from Jakks, i assume it would be because WWE would have enforced it, not Jakks themselves. Maybe this is why the WWE didn't want to renew their contract with Jakks, because the WWE probably realizes Jakks does such a sh*tty making their figures they decided to sign with a real toy company like Mattel. Jakks blows plain in simple.
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Post by hbchris on Aug 21, 2008 21:27:06 GMT -5
Wow. I'm impressed.
I think the reason why is that Mezco recognizes itself as a collector-based company, whereas Jakks still views the collectors that care about such things as the fringe of their market.
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Post by chokeslamcena on Aug 21, 2008 22:26:35 GMT -5
I have a feeling that something like that would be caused by the licensor (Whoever is over Hellboy) and not the licensee (whoever made the figure). Eg: If we were to get something like that from Jakks, i assume it would be because WWE would have enforced it, not Jakks themselves. Maybe this is why the WWE didn't want to renew their contract with Jakks, because the WWE probably realizes Jakks does such a sh*tty making their figures they decided to sign with a real toy company like Mattel. Jakks blows plain in simple. If WWE weren't happy with the product Jakks were producing, i can assure you, it wouldn't be on the shelves. I just don't think WWE care about their merchandise all that much.
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Post by WalterF on Aug 21, 2008 22:42:54 GMT -5
Wow. I'm impressed. I think the reason why is that Mezco recognizes itself as a collector-based company, whereas Jakks still views the collectors that care about such things as the fringe of their market. He hit it. It's all about the audience. Mezco caters to mature collectors and that is really cool they did that. JAKKS simply releases too much product to too wide of an audience that you wont have that sort of attention. Thats why I am such a cherry picker with JAKKS. I do truly believe the yare great for such a popular license and how much product the yrelease, but I only pick up the figures I find exceptional. Thats why being a completionist with a MEzco Hellboy line is worth doing because each figure is given great attention where WWE figures ... there's so many producted that we still get great attention to figures, but only certain ones rather than the whole line.
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Post by AdamBomb on Aug 21, 2008 23:48:13 GMT -5
Mezco are NOT in any way comparable to a company like Jakks.
Jakks put out line, after line, after line, in order to meet customer demand. If they don't show protos 'right away', a lot of people here complain. Mezco move at a slower pace, and unlike Jakks, they have sculptors that take months of time working on ONE figure, whereas Jakks uses "Real Scan" technology to get accurate representations much, MUCH faster. Why?
Because so many people are so damn impatient.
Mezco, are more about COLLECTIBLES, than making action figures... while they are both toys, Mez's items are also more expensive, and have a higher level of detail... which uhhh, is the reason for the slightly higher price tag. So couple that, with the slower turn around time of certain 'toys' they release, and you're looking at the reason Mezco has higher quality products.
Jakks is a toy company, with a large target audience of CHILDREN, Mezco on the other hand... with licensed products such as Hellboy, ALIENS, Scarface, The Warriors, Family Guy, and Predator (to name a few), are obviously aimed more at adults who appreciate higher levels of details and are not bothered to pay more, and wait longer.
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Post by T-Phunk on Aug 21, 2008 23:51:34 GMT -5
Walt, I would agree with you if we had not heard Jeremy call the CS line a collector's line, oh about a hundred million times. If they were "truly great" they could at least put 100% behind that one series. I am not saying Jakks has been aweful. They have provided me with a more complete line-up of classic wrestlers than I ever could have imagined. I have probably over 2000 figures and will continue to buy JAKKS figures when they start producing the TNA Line. However there is just no debating that the past few line-ups in their "Collector's Line" have been riddled with inaccuracy and a lack of concern for the collector in general.
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Post by AdamBomb on Aug 21, 2008 23:59:30 GMT -5
Walt, I would agree with you if we had not heard Jeremy call the CS line a collector's line, oh about a hundred million times. If they were "truly great" they could at least put 100% behind that one series. I am not saying Jakks has been aweful. They have provided me with a more complete line-up of classic wrestlers than I ever could have imagined. However there is just no debating that the past few line-ups in their "Collector's Line" have been riddled with inaccuracy and a lack of concern for the collector in general. They are a collectors line... as much of one as a TOY company can be. If you want them to excel at a level comparable to Neca, McFarlane, Mezco, or into the higher echeloned of companies like Sideshow, Medicom, or Hot Toys, you'd wait longer, and pay more. Now, if your saying you'd like the CS line to cost $20+ per figure, and be released in sets of four guys per 3-4 periods a year, I'd say that's pretty much realistic... ...but who here would want to pay that much for them, wait that long, and still 'play' with them?
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Post by T-Phunk on Aug 22, 2008 0:09:10 GMT -5
Walt, I would agree with you if we had not heard Jeremy call the CS line a collector's line, oh about a hundred million times. If they were "truly great" they could at least put 100% behind that one series. I am not saying Jakks has been aweful. They have provided me with a more complete line-up of classic wrestlers than I ever could have imagined. However there is just no debating that the past few line-ups in their "Collector's Line" have been riddled with inaccuracy and a lack of concern for the collector in general. They are a collectors line... as much of one as a TOY company can be. If you want them to excel at a level comparable to Neca, McFarlane, Mezco, or into the higher echeloned of companies like Sideshow, Medicom, or Hot Toys, you'd wait longer, and pay more. Now, if your saying you'd like the CS line to cost $20+ per figure, and be released in sets of four guys per 3-4 periods a year, I'd say that's pretty much realistic... ...but who here would want to pay that much for them, wait that long, and still 'play' with them? So it is your opinion that in order to give Bam Bam some flames on his back or produce the Rock without wristbands (the first time), or use the correct parts on a guy like Rikishi, Jakks would need to charge $20 a figure. That's absurd logic. I am not comparing detail to detail with Mezco line. That would be a slaughter. What I am saying is Jakks should have more respect for it's customer to not expect completists like myself to buy a turd in box like that Rikishi figure. That is the kind of figure that Jakks should have admitted fault and at very least given people with a UPC (Proof of Purchase) to buy a corrected figure let's say at half the price. Read the entire post before you go on a blind rant about your affection for Jakks. Jakks is losing it's license and has the opportunity to prove that the WWE made a bad decision by "producing fire" like Jeremy promised, and there is no way to say that they are doing that currently.
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Post by Classic Collector: The Return on Aug 22, 2008 0:11:37 GMT -5
I think, i mean i hope, Mattel won't be as crappy as Jakks is with the WWE line. I mean for the first few years with Jakks (the BCA line) it seemed they went the extra mile and gave us good accessories, even though the figures wern't perfect (it was a different time then).
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Post by AdamBomb on Aug 22, 2008 0:16:29 GMT -5
They are a collectors line... as much of one as a TOY company can be. If you want them to excel at a level comparable to Neca, McFarlane, Mezco, or into the higher echeloned of companies like Sideshow, Medicom, or Hot Toys, you'd wait longer, and pay more. Now, if your saying you'd like the CS line to cost $20+ per figure, and be released in sets of four guys per 3-4 periods a year, I'd say that's pretty much realistic... ...but who here would want to pay that much for them, wait that long, and still 'play' with them? So it is your opinion that in order to give Bam Bam some Flames on his back or produce the Rock without wristbands (the first time), or use the correct parts on a guy like Rikishi, Jakks would need to charge $20 a figure. That's absurd logic. I am not comparing detail to detail with Mezco line. That would be a slaughter. What I am saying is Jakks should have more respect for it's customer to not expect completists like myself have to buy a turd in box like that Rikishi figure. That is the kind of figure that Jakks should have admitted fault and at very least given people with a UPC (Proof of Purchase) to buy a corrected figure let's say at half the price. Read the entire post before you go on a blind rant about your affection for Jakks. Jakks is losing it's license and has the opportunity to prove that the WWE made a bad decision by "producing fire" like Jeremy promised, and there is no way to say that they are doing that currently. No, that isn't my opinion at all. It's my opinion they are first, and foremost a toy company, not a company who strive to produce staggering accurate depictions of people. And as such, I expect them to cut corners. I'm glad you said you aren't comparing them, lol. Sorry, I didn't pick that up from your original post. My bad. I completely, totally agree. Doing the UPC thing is a fantastic idea, and would serve the collector well, while still pleasing the people who are all about wanting NOW NOW NOW! Put in a job application for Jakks, please. I have no affection for Jakks, I sold off my small CS collection last summer, to focus my money more for traveling lightly, and to get more impressive Alien and Predator pieces. However, I do occasionally buy something here and there, like an UMF, or a VA - as I feel those are the more impressive lines Jakks has going for someone like myself.
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