Dudewithattitude83
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Post by Dudewithattitude83 on Jan 25, 2008 16:04:13 GMT -5
i use to like but now they are trie to recycle wwe storylines
james mitchell as abyss father = kane paul pearer
ripping off austin with sharkboy
wannabe macho = black machismo
its just trash
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Post by tnafan4life on Jan 25, 2008 16:54:15 GMT -5
No way? Go figure. They're taking ideas they worked.. and was good.. and doing them themself.. go figure.
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Post by hbk007 on Jan 25, 2008 17:32:44 GMT -5
The only problem I have with what you said is that Abyss/Mitchell and Kane/Bearer is somewhat different. Everyone knew all along Kane was Bearer's son where as Abyss being Mitchell's son was supposed to be a suprise.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 25, 2008 18:23:13 GMT -5
The only problem I have with what you said is that Abyss/Mitchell and Kane/Bearer is somewhat different. Everyone knew all along Kane was Bearer's son where as Abyss being Mitchell's son was supposed to be a suprise. With the way TNA made the storyline go, Hellen Keller could have known Mitchell was Abyss' father. |
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Post by deskjet on Jan 25, 2008 18:47:59 GMT -5
It's called using what worked before in a toungue and cheek way...or parody. If they did exactly what WWE does, then i could understand, but they are making light of a successful character, not doing the same thing...and it works. The mitchell theing is kinda blatnat yeah, but how else do you tie up theis storyline...make them brothers/sisters? then you have the same thing. Storylines are reused and tweeked from time to time, as long as it doenst become all that your show is about then i think its fine
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Post by tnafan4life on Jan 25, 2008 19:11:46 GMT -5
It's called using what worked before in a toungue and cheek way...or parody. If they did exactly what WWE does, then i could understand, but they are making light of a successful character, not doing the same thing...and it works. The mitchell theing is kinda blatnat yeah, but how else do you tie up theis storyline...make them brothers/sisters? then you have the same thing. Storylines are reused and tweeked from time to time, as long as it doenst become all that your show is about then i think its fine THANK YOU! |
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Jan 25, 2008 19:12:05 GMT -5
The only problem I have with what you said is that Abyss/Mitchell and Kane/Bearer is somewhat different. Everyone knew all along Kane was Bearer's son where as Abyss being Mitchell's son was supposed to be a suprise. With the way TNA made the storyline go, Hellen Keller could have known Mitchell was Abyss' father. Is that what they revealed the huge secret to be??? Don't get me wrong, I saw it coming, but I was hoping that TNA would finally get a clue and throw a swerve at us. Sorry... I haven't watched TNA in a while. |
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Post by Master Lewpac on Jan 26, 2008 16:54:04 GMT -5
It's called using what worked before in a toungue and cheek way...or parody. If they did exactly what WWE does, then i could understand, but they are making light of a successful character, not doing the same thing...and it works. The mitchell theing is kinda blatnat yeah, but how else do you tie up theis storyline...make them brothers/sisters? then you have the same thing. Storylines are reused and tweeked from time to time, as long as it doenst become all that your show is about then i think its fine THANK YOU! I second the Thank you. |
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Post by cheesesteak on Jan 26, 2008 17:00:01 GMT -5
TNA can't think of there own ideas so they have to take WWE's great ideas. TNA is nothing ok they will never be at WWE's level I use to be a fan of tna i watched for aj styles somoa joe homocide jay lethal low ki not for kurt angle and christian TNA needs to stop stealing WWE guys and make there own guys
TNA IS GARBAGE!!!!!!
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Post by deskjet on Jan 26, 2008 18:06:52 GMT -5
TNA can't think of there own ideas so they have to take WWE's great ideas. TNA is nothing ok they will never be at WWE's level I use to be a fan of tna i watched for aj styles somoa joe homocide jay lethal low ki not for kurt angle and christian TNA needs to stop stealing WWE guys and make there own guys TNA IS GARBAGE!!!!!! Guess what. All those guys you mentioned that you watched TNA for are still in TNA, so what's your point? I think to many people want TNA to be indy style fed only, but like some people have said, at one point or another someone from somewhere else eventually ends up in your company...CM punk started in ROH...OMFGL@W(#@_{, WWE is trying to be like ROH. Do you alos know that one of the greatest storylines/faction in wrestling history..nWo...was actually done in Japan first. Not as the nwo, but the same kinda storyline. That said you cant fault a compnay for making an effort to try to identify with some fans that are still on the fringes. At times I do question some of TNA's tactics and some of the people they push, but I will say I think they at least are making an attempt to give everyone some time on their roster. If Booker, Angle, Cage were pushed all the time and they had storylines for no one else then I could see your point |
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Post by dakotadave on Jan 26, 2008 18:58:08 GMT -5
TNA can't think of there own ideas so they have to take WWE's great ideas. TNA is nothing ok they will never be at WWE's level I use to be a fan of tna i watched for aj styles somoa joe homocide jay lethal low ki not for kurt angle and christian TNA needs to stop stealing WWE guys and make there own guys TNA IS GARBAGE!!!!!! THAN DON'T WATCH IT! YOU CONTROL YOUR TV & WHAT YOU WATCH, SO DON'T BITCH! |
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Post by mercennario1080 on Jan 26, 2008 19:03:39 GMT -5
Seriously, you're not the only one that's sick of TNA.
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Post by cheesesteak on Jan 26, 2008 19:57:11 GMT -5
TNA can't think of there own ideas so they have to take WWE's great ideas. TNA is nothing ok they will never be at WWE's level I use to be a fan of tna i watched for aj styles somoa joe homocide jay lethal low ki not for kurt angle and christian TNA needs to stop stealing WWE guys and make there own guys TNA IS GARBAGE!!!!!! Guess what. All those guys you mentioned that you watched TNA for are still in TNA, so what's your point? I think to many people want TNA to be indy style fed only, but like some people have said, at one point or another someone from somewhere else eventually ends up in your company...CM punk started in ROH...OMFGL@W(#@_{, WWE is trying to be like ROH. Do you alos know that one of the greatest storylines/faction in wrestling history..nWo...was actually done in Japan first. Not as the nwo, but the same kinda storyline. That said you cant fault a compnay for making an effort to try to identify with some fans that are still on the fringes. At times I do question some of TNA's tactics and some of the people they push, but I will say I think they at least are making an attempt to give everyone some time on their roster. If Booker, Angle, Cage were pushed all the time and they had storylines for no one else then I could see your point Guess what none of those guys are being used right ok. TNA only uses WWE guys ok. TNA can only use WWE talent because they are afaird. AJ Styles is walking around with a crown on his head somoa joe is bitching about booking TNA is nothing and never will be. TNA will go out of business in two years desketjt and then Kurt Angle Christian Booker T and the Dudleys will come home to WWE and WWE will sign Somoa Joe Aj Styles Homocide and Jay Lethal and use them right the old with the new I CAN'T WAIT |
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Post by cheesesteak on Jan 26, 2008 19:57:59 GMT -5
TNA can't think of there own ideas so they have to take WWE's great ideas. TNA is nothing ok they will never be at WWE's level I use to be a fan of tna i watched for aj styles somoa joe homocide jay lethal low ki not for kurt angle and christian TNA needs to stop stealing WWE guys and make there own guys TNA IS GARBAGE!!!!!! THAN DON'T WATCH IT! YOU CONTROL YOUR TV & WHAT YOU WATCH, SO DON'T BITCH! Listne Up I will watch whaever I want to. Mind your own business ok |
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Post by Heresy on Jan 26, 2008 21:22:32 GMT -5
Well how else is TNA going to be like WWE with all the 'no name talent' they have? Having half the roster comprise of WWE wrestlers just doesn't get the job done. These unknowns are the only thing standing between Impact and a 1.3... the only problem is TNA can't afford to fire them all. So they hide that never-would-draw indy style by giving them WWE inspired gimmicks and storylines, and feuds involving former WWE wrestlers.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jan 26, 2008 22:03:59 GMT -5
Guess what. All those guys you mentioned that you watched TNA for are still in TNA, so what's your point? I think to many people want TNA to be indy style fed only, but like some people have said, at one point or another someone from somewhere else eventually ends up in your company...CM punk started in ROH...OMFGL@W(#@_{, WWE is trying to be like ROH. Do you alos know that one of the greatest storylines/faction in wrestling history..nWo...was actually done in Japan first. Not as the nwo, but the same kinda storyline. That said you cant fault a compnay for making an effort to try to identify with some fans that are still on the fringes. At times I do question some of TNA's tactics and some of the people they push, but I will say I think they at least are making an attempt to give everyone some time on their roster. If Booker, Angle, Cage were pushed all the time and they had storylines for no one else then I could see your point Guess what none of those guys are being used right ok. TNA only uses WWE guys ok. TNA can only use WWE talent because they are afaird. AJ Styles is walking around with a crown on his head somoa joe is bitching about booking TNA is nothing and never will be. TNA will go out of business in two years desketjt and then Kurt Angle Christian Booker T and the Dudleys will come home to WWE and WWE will sign Somoa Joe Aj Styles Homocide and Jay Lethal and use them right the old with the new I CAN'T WAIT Uh... A) you say ok a lot... it's like you are stating a fact. It's not fact. TNA is using their talent superbly imo. Black Machismo may not be an original idea but it's a character that got over with the crowd and TNA started pushing Lethal because of it. Johnny Devine went from being an on-again-off-again member of Team Canada in 2004 to being the silent tag-along in the Papparazzi to mute, comic book character Havok in Serotonin to current X-Division Champion. That, imo is being used properly. You mention AJ Styles isn't being used right? It's like I said in the other thread, I suppose being a 3 time NWA World Champion, 4 time Tag Team Champion, 6 Time X-Division Champion, and 3 time Triple Crown (Also the first) Champion are all not accomplishments and are insults. WWE doesn't know what they want to do with the talent they have sans the older guys like Triple H, Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker. Christian Cage never broke the midcard in the WWE, what makes you think things would be different this time around? Kurt Angle asked to be let go from the WWE because the schedule got to hectic for his body to handle, what makes you think that he would go back when nothing has changed? Samoa Joe has said that he would be taking a pay cut only to be restricted in his movement if he signed a WWE developmental deal (which is most definately what the WWE would offer him), AJ Styles is a notorious example of someone who has apparently been offered a contract and refused. AJ, Joe and Lethal would get lost in the shuffle amongst London, Kendrick, Helms, Noble, Moore, Yang and others... The idea of you complaining about how TNA utilizes their roster is a joke considering how big of a WWE fan you are. The fact is (and I'm gonna start talking like you here) WWE misuses their talent too ok. WWE are just as brutal at misusing their true talented wrestlers as TNA (Paul London, Brian Kendrick, CM Punk, Elijah Burke, Matt Striker, Monty Brown all being grossly underutilized). I seriously think that you are not succeeding in what you are trying to do here. You are trying to rile up the TNA fans unfortunately, there are a lot of people around here that know what they are talking about and you clearly don't. You come in here spitting out complaints and you barely know what you are talking about. For knowing Homicide, you sure do enjoy calling him "Homocide" don't ya? |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jan 26, 2008 22:57:21 GMT -5
Justin Tyme while I do think this TimeToPlayTheGame guy is an idiot I remember a time when you all did was bash TNA and praise WWE because "omgz tEHy weReNt pUshIN DevINe". I doubt you would be defending TNA right now if it wasn't for them pushing Devine.
Fact is, AJ Styles is a joke. Who cares if he was a former NWA Champion? No one does because AJ looks like a jobber now. This guy should be main eventing right up there with Kurt Angle and Christian. Please don't give me the "that's where it's going" because I have heard that so many times.
Then you have LAX. They are the hottest tag team TNA has but instead of pushing them towards the tag titles they are stuck in a feud no one cares about with Rave & Hoyt.
The one thing he's right about is that TNA won't last if they continue to do business the way they are doing it. Crappy storylines, lack of pushes for home grown stars, low buyrates and low ratings aren't gonna get TNA anywhere in the wrestling world.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jan 26, 2008 23:59:19 GMT -5
Justin Tyme while I do think this TimeToPlayTheGame guy is an idiot I remember a time when you all did was bash TNA and praise WWE because "omgz tEHy weReNt pUshIN DevINe". I doubt you would be defending TNA right now if it wasn't for them pushing Devine. Fact is, AJ Styles is a joke. Who cares if he was a former NWA Champion? No one does because AJ looks like a jobber now. This guy should be main eventing right up there with Kurt Angle and Christian. Please don't give me the "that's where it's going" because I have heard that so many times. Then you have LAX. They are the hottest tag team TNA has but instead of pushing them towards the tag titles they are stuck in a feud no one cares about with Rave & Hoyt. The one thing he's right about is that TNA won't last if they continue to do business the way they are doing it. Crappy storylines, lack of pushes for home grown stars, low buyrates and low ratings aren't gonna get TNA anywhere in the wrestling world. You are probably right, I used to always bash TNA... One of the reasons is because they are pushing Devine. However I also realized how friggen pointless the argument between TNA and WWE fans is... Both shows put on INCREDIBLY bad products... however there are things that TNA does better than the WWE (Better matches) and their are things the WWE does better than TNA (Better storylines) so why not just stop picking crapapart when it's not going to make a big deal. The BIGGEST reason I am defending TNA at this current time is because this guy is making himself out to look like the biggest douchebag ever... I don't know where TNA is going with this AJ/Angle alliance thing... looks to me like the most likely route is a feud with Tomko which should do wonders for making Tomko look REALLY good as well as keeping AJ in the upper card. Regardless of what TNA is doing with AJ, he will always be TNA's poster boy since he is TNA's first HUGE homegrown star and therefore he will always have a spot near the top... They don't want one of their top guys floundering so why not put him in an alliance with the champ? Granted they make him look like a damned fool but that's their choice, people coming to the iMPACT zone still seem to care about AJ enough so that's a plus. See the thing is, TNA HAS been using their homegrown stars... However TNA is (mistakingly) trying to grasp the casual audience. And that casual audience is the ones paying to see Kurt Angle Vs Christian Cage rather than The Motor City Machine Guns Vs say LAX... I'm not saying it's smart but I know what they are trying to do as it's pretty evident. Their ratings aren't low by Spike TV standards. Sure, you stack them up to RAW's and they get blown away but TNA isn't there yet. iMPACT has only been televised on Spike for what, 3-4 years now? RAW has been on for 15 years.... Yeah, I don't see the ratings comparisson. iMPACT's ratings aren't "Going out of business" worthy but they aren't exactly "OMFG, Theys goin out of business" ratings... TNA will always be Number 2... guaranteed.. But to say they don't push homegrown talent is a joke... I mean, Johnny Devine is a prime example of someone getting a huge push right now. Jay Lethal? Samoa Joe? AJ Styles? Christopher Daniels? They all got their taste of National exposure from TNA. Jay Lethal is one of the most over people in the company and is in one of the more hyped up matches for the next PPV. Joe? He's been seen on TV damn near every week making his demands known. He is on every week putting his face out there so people tuning in knows who he is and they know he's  ing pissed... that's what I gathered from tuning in to iMPACT for the first time since the Turkey Bowl. TNA's storylines are the shits but their matches on their shows are ing fantastic. That is what makes them a polar opposite to the WWE. the WWE has some of the most exciting, well built storylines (Hell, Hardy/Orton is the most unpredictable match I've seen in a long time just because of how things have been hyped) but their matches tend to be pretty lacklustre with the exceptions from some of the obvious cast of characters ala Edge, Mysterio, Hardy, HHH, HBK, Kennedy, Punk, etc So TNA is by no means the most ing awful, putrid pile vomit projected out of a gorilla's anus however it is definately not fantastic. Now call that the satisfied Johnny Devine fan coming out of me again, however that's just the way I see it. I got bored bashing the crapout of ECW 3 weeks after it debuted and I got sick of bashing TNA because they finally did one thing I liked... That was the only thing I wanted to happen before I stopped bashing TNA and it happened so I can just relax and enjoy the Wrestling I get to watch every week now and that will finally include iMPACT now that Devine is a champion  |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jan 27, 2008 0:13:33 GMT -5
You're right WWE and TNA both suck but you know what the difference is? WWE can suck and get away with it because they already established themselves. TNA needs to establish themselves and give us a different product then the WWE is. TNA is trying to hard to be WWE number 2 and it hasn't done anything for them. They are still getting the same PPV buyrates and the same ratings. If TNA gave out a unique product TNA would get more fans. I don't know if you seen TNA's PPV buyrates for the last year but you know what had the biggest draws? The ones with Samoa Joe in the main event with the exception of him and Angle vs the Dudleys. TNA's home grown stars do draw. The best PPV they ever sold was Joe/Angle. I can't remember if it was the first or the second one but it shows that fans want unique storylines and good matches that they can get behind. As far as TNA having better matches. I would agree with you if you would of said this a few months ago but as of late their matches haven't been any better than WWE's matches have. In fact, the Royal Rumble alone has two title matches plus the Rumble match itself that I'm looking for forward to seeing then anything on the last 4 TNA PPV's. The last good TNA PPV was Bound For Glory and while TNA got everything pretty much right that night they screwed up in the end by making a dream match like Angle/Sting into a big cluster . |
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Post by edger316 on Jan 29, 2008 4:00:42 GMT -5
Angle as a Straight talking super heel doesnt work as he's much better being a goof with his milk and cookies.
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