Trying to like TNA

mr.chase, I know me and you are pretty tight here but why do you have to be such a bitch when it comes to TNA? You think you know everything about the promotion because you ordered the pay per view. So what? By the way, who were you in GCW?

Here's the thing though. Ready?

Perry Saturn (ECW and WCW)
Chris Benoit (ECW and WCW)
Chris Jericho (ECW and WCW)
Dean Malenko (ECW and WCW)
Eddie Guerrero (ECW and WCW)
Taz (ECW)

Left WCW or ECW because they all knew it was going under sooner or later.

In the cases of these guys:

Chuck Palumbo (WCW)
Jamie Noble (WCW masked and unmasked)
Rey Mysterio (ECW and WCW)
Gregory Helms (WCW)
Jimmy Wang Yang (WCW and TNA)
Chavo Guerrero (WCW)
DDP (WCW)
Kronic (WCW)
Lance Storm (WCW)
Justin Credible (ECW)
Rhino (ECW)
Rob Van Dam (ECW)
Booker T (WCW)

They all game after Vince purchased WCW and ECW. They were all involved in the Invasion storyline.

As for these guys:
Super Crazy
Finlay
Rey Mysterio

They did not become full time WWE wrestlers for YEARS after the purchase of WCW/ECW. And Finlay was a road agent for the WWE before becoming a wrestler again

ANDDDDDDDD as for these guys jumping ship:

Steve Austin
Triple H
Cactus Jack
William Regal

They understood that they weren't being used. WWE took Steve Austin and made him a star. As a matter of fact, the three guys WCW rejected would become WWE Champions.

As you can see, Vince took a lot of mid-card guys from WCW.

HOWEVERRRRRRRRRRRRR, WCW took MAIN EVENT guys from the WWE:

Diesel (became Kevin Nash)
Razor Ramon (became Scott Hall)
Lex Luger
Macho Man Randy Savage

And to make WCW even more silly, Vince took guys like Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho, Austin, Triple H, and Cactus Jack and eventually made them ALL World Champions... they would have NEVER done that in WCW.



Here's the point:

The guys WWE took from WCW and ECW, for the most part, had successful main stream careers in the WWE than they would have in WCW or ECW. The one guy off the top of my they dropped the ball with badly is Taz.

TNA takes already established former WWE/ECW/WCW talent and gives them there title.

Remember only THREE non-WWE/WCW/ECW wrestlers have held the TNA World Title. THREE

Nash, Hall, and Luger were VERY big in the WWF. They were TOP stars and WCW took them all.

The point is... TNA very much so has too many former WCW/ECW/WWE talent. Furthermore, only THREE TNA made famous wrestlers (AJ Styles, Abyss, and Samoa Joe) are World Champion. Someone said that AJ Styles and Samoa Joe are more Ring of Honor then they are TNA, which is true. So really... only ONE TNA made star has been Champion... and that's Abyss/

Sure, Luger was a big time guy in WCW before coming in WWE. Replaced Ole Anderson as a Horsemen, feuded with the Horseman... ALL I am saying is AT THE TIME when he was IN the WWF, he was a big star and WCW took him ALONG with Kevin Nash and Scott Hall.

TNA has been around since 2002... all they have shown me is the ability to sign former WCW/ECW/WWE talent and push them; they have this attitude of "hey, WWE, you didn't give this guy your World title, so we'll give him ours!" What TNA SHOULD be doing is pushing other stars BUT IN SMART WAYS!

TNA does so many things wrong... you HAVE to think of it as a joke of a wrestling organization.

You are clearly a huge WWE fan. You are discounting the fact that Luger was a main eventer in WCW before going to WWF/E. WWE did not make Luger. WCW did. Period. I'll give you Nash and Hall were bigger stars in WWF/E. That is until their second run in WCW. Kevin Nash and Scott Hall were never bigger than they were in WCW. Diesel and Razor? Please. Compared to The Outsiders and N.W.O. those gimmicks were laughable.

TNA is a joke? Why are you wasting time commenting on it then?
TNA does so many things wrong. Yes they do. So does the WWE. I'm sure they get the free pass though.

This is the TNA board. Get out of here WWE nuthugger.

You just CLEARLY made yourself look like a HUGE mark. After a long debate, where ICW made valuable points, you turn around and tell him off.

TNA gets piled on because of the extent at which they depend on pre-established guys, combined with the little benefit that results from said dependence.

Worst debater ever? Hmmm...ok.

I'll admit to being wrong when i'm wrong. Using established or older stars to give credibility to your roster isn't wrong. It is smart business. My argument isn't one sided or narrow minded either. In fact it is the other way around.

Let me pose a hypothetical situation to you deskjet.

You have recently started a wrestling company. You have a roster of young and unproven stars. You like these guys and consider them the lifeblood of your company. Unfortunately the average wrestling fan has no clue who they are. One day you have the chance to sign a well established star from another organization. You see the potential in this star lending credibility to your roster. Thus making your young stars more credible in the eyes of the average wrestling fan.
So you have two choices.

A. Do you sign the established star to help build your company and legitimize your younger stars?

or

B. Do you turn away the established star and go on with business as usual?

If you answered A you are a smart business man. If you said B you are either lying, going out of business, or content with being a sideshow independant like ROH.


See deskjet this is a business. TNA is in business to make money. Which they are finally doing. They are getting stronger everyday.
That must really piss you off. For all the complaining and whining about bad booking, signing WWE rejects, and misusing the young stars TNA is getting stronger.


Now on to the ex-stars of ROH.
If you think that anyone outside of internet fan boys, hardcore fans, and people inside the industry knew who Shelley, Sabin, Lethal, Daniels, Joe, or Punk were before TNA and WWE gave them t.v. time, you sir are an idiot.
I'll say it again.
Ring of Honor is the minor leagues. They are never going to be more than a talent pool for TNA and WWE to pick apart as they see fit. I seem to recall a company called ECW that had the same problem. ROH is always going to have its fan boys and well wishers telling the world how great they are. However John Q. Public does not give a damn. If you can't turn on the t.v. and see it on a weekly basis, you have no chance to succeed.

I'm not a bad debater. You just don't like what i'm saying.

I've been a wrestling fan for 27 of my 32 years walking this earth. I've seen many companies come and go. I am a hardcore fan. I root for TNA through thick and thin because guys like Jeff Jarrett have taken more personal finacial risks in six years than you or I will take in a lifetime to give us an alternative to WWE. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make you right.

Your turn slick.

P.S. know it all. Chris Sabin is a four time X-Division Champion. He held the belt as late as 2007. Do you even watch what you are commenting on?

Enlightenment coming right up.

I never said that signing established names is the only reason TNA is where they are today. I said that it was done to give the young stars credibility. I agree with you. The foundation of TNA are guys like Styles. Those matches you speak of are what people took notice of. Still guys like Jarrett, Raven, Shamrock, Killings, and Sting made the roster more credible. Even if Shamrock and Killings are nothing special. The common wrestling fan knew their names and faces from WWF/E. Sting has been around a couple times. He first came to TNA during the weekly ppv's as a favor to the Jarrett's. That helped get the attention of some of the WCW fans. I guarantee these wrestlers helped the common fan decide to check it out for the first time.

I have watched TNA since day one. It is my favorite wrestling company. I acknowledge that they make plenty of mistakes. I just don't think using established talent is a mistake.