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Post by WCWA Online on Aug 4, 2011 0:05:26 GMT -5
I never insulted your booking at all. I told you things that you were doing that didn't make sense, or were just copies of whatever was happening on WWE at the time. I don't know why it makes you so angry that I don't use WWE guys. Especially when one of your most pushed wrestlers is a fictional character based on yourself. That's silly.
And if you think this is the only place I post my shows, you're insane. Well, with the spiel that you posted, that had absolutely no relevance to anything that was posted before, and was mostly just teen angst.. that you're angry that someone better than you told you they are better than you. I am a better writer than you are. That is not a disputable fact. I understand the way English grammar works. I understand how to use a spell checker. I understand proper punctuation. These are key pieces of writing American writing. I could write shows about WWE wrestlers. I've done it in the past. If you'd actually open your eyes, you'd realize that CM Punk, the guy that you make such a point to post a really badly photoshopped banner of, was a WCWA International champion for a long time. Bret Hart and AJ Styles was the main event of the first two WCWA PPVs and was the feud over the World title for a long time. Shawn Michaels held the WCWA World title. My biggest star for a long time was Samoa Joe. Lance Storm is currently one of my top pushed wrestlers. Your logic is flawed.
Furthermore, in that rant about how I wear cheap suites (which is now the most hilarious insult I've ever been told in my life, congratulations for somehow topping Ian Rotten with a typo), you failed to address any of what I actually said that triggered this meltdown. You were sending PMs to people talking about me, things that aren't true. I disputed these lies when someone asked me and presented the facts. Is it not a fact that you got butt hurt and threw a fit that I criticized you? Because that's what you're still doing. Is it not a fact you called me a "glorified indy writer"? You're still doing that. Is it not a fact that you posted a really melodramatic message that said you're going away forever? Because you did.. It's not like I came up with this fictional world where I'm beating you down with a baseball bat and burning you with a cigarette because you push old women in front of traffic. I presented the facts. You melted down. I assume we'll rinse and repeat in a week or so.
In closing, you are silly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 0:08:23 GMT -5
Thats funny Jonathan Phoenix. Making a banner proves how silly you honestly are. lmao especially the words under your avatar
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Post by ICW on Aug 4, 2011 0:13:26 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad everyone can type about me behind my back. I've stated my "case" to the people who have asked me. I personally think the maturity level on this web site has declined in recent years. Because once someone has this predetermined mind set of something completely bogus is the right way to go. Everyone has to follow it! Just like the fantasy booking bible. Why would anyone conform to any one opinion written as a fact? It's ridiculous, If I want to book a show with two top WWE competitors then I will. If I didn't use Jack Evans in my episode then that is my choice. See here is the problem with ICW and WCWA, you too believe your opinion on anyone's show is fact.
It is a god damn opinion, do you understand? Or do I have to spell it out for you? Some people have asked for your advice however I did not. Some people may believe you are gods gift to writing, I do not. Therefore I don't need anything from ether of you. I will do what I want with my writing, and I will write however the hell I want. If you can't live with that, then simply do what I asked and leave me alone and don't open my threads. But no you two can't handle that, you've got to go and flip through the little book you created and find some moronic excuse to be so called critics on my writing. I could care less even if you two worked for a promotion and did the same. It changes nothing on how I feel about any of your opinions.
Also, for once WCWA you are right, I am free to think what I want. But I think your show is nothing more than a glorified Combat Zone Wrestling without the mindless blood trusty fans of the 90's. You live in a world of death matches and stupid match concepts with glorified independent wrestlers no one has ever heard of without researching them online. Oh and might I add, where is your readers? Where are this fan base you talk about? besides ICW and some of these "legendary" message board writers I see no one reading your episodes but you. Oh and props to Ian Rotten, next time I see him at a local show I'll make sure I shake his hand I have never heard anyone state it better. Because in the end, that's all you really are. A egotistic cheap suite wearing bastard, trying to make a name for yourself on a wrestling figure forum who consists of 18 to 30 year old collectors. Which you don't even Collect! Oh gee, I'm sorry I forgot you can't buy John Cena because he sold out and isn't in XPW anymore.
Get over yourselves.
Oh and since I'm now labeled immature for having my own opinion, then I'll act "immature" with the following message.
I would like to address the following statement from JP. I won't insult you or call you any names; instead, I'll address all of the points you have made and hopefully this nonsense can come to an end. 1.) How have WCWA and I talked behind your back? According to DTP, you seemed to have PM'ed him and talked badly about WCWA and myself. 2.) The maturity level certainly has declined on this board - mostly because of you. You have taken any piece of advice WCWA or I have ever given you and twisted it into bashing/harassing you when it's simply not true. Had I replied to your shows with "IT SUCKS, GARBAGE, IT'S A PIECE OF CRAP!' then you would have a valid argument. I've replied to your shows with my honest opinion. Are you implying that anyone who reads your shows must agree with every decision you make? You may not want our advice and that's your choice; however, when I read a show I ALWAYS give my honest opinion. I respect any booker that writes and posts a show on this website by replying to their shows, to maybe offer them a piece of advice that nobody else will. 3.) The Fantasy Booking Bible was written SEVERAL years ago as a guideline to fantasy booking. It is not a literal piece of law. If people choose to follow our advice, it's there. If people have questions concerning what to do in booking, it's there. It has information that people can use. I wrote it back when I was 16 or 17 years old and WCWA has edited it with his input. As I said, it's not a law nor do I expect people to treat it as such. 4.) I find it ironic you call fantasy booking - especially WCWA and myself - uncreative. You're the one that has created COUNTLESS feds that have ripped off every single angle that modern day WWE and/or TNA has done. All WCWA has done is introduced wrestlers that not many people have heard of and made them more interesting than anything WWE and/or TNA has done in YEARS. He's also actually STUCK to a series and has NEVER flip flopped on his fed and neither have I. To say we have no creativity is a grave insult and is frankly laughable. 5.) WCWA's fan base reaches far beyond WF. Do you want to know something factual? Professional wrestlers have actually READ many of his shows! To say that I am his only "fan base" because of the unfortunate inactivity of WF Fantasy Booking members is insane and ignorant. You have to take into account that many people read his show and don't bother to even leave a logical reply. For shame. 6.) Your graphic is laughable but you are entitled to your opinion; nobody said you weren't. But you have constantly played the victim card when it's not simply the case. You were offended that someone did not reply to your shows with "dat rocked, i liked when punk pinned cena, 10/10." Period. You were offended that someone did not blindly love your show and proceeded to point out your flaws - which are several, might I add. Look, you can do and say whatever you want. All people have to do is read one of your shows to see that whatever WCWA and myself have said is perfectly valid. You contain a laundry list of spelling errors, book the same thing that WWE and/or TNA does, etc... You won't take our advice, fine. But the ONLY reason I have given you advice is so you can improve on what you do. You don't feel that you need improvement and that's fine. However, I disagree. You'll most likely reply to his and if you do that's fine. I've said my peace. I don't want to fight or be the cause to drive anyone away from fantasy booking and/or text fedding. Both boards used to be a tremendous community that thrived on logical, well thought out shows with logical, well thought out reviews. Quite simply...it's people like you - not WCWA or myself - that has killed what booking was. Oh... and, yes, WCWA does in fact wear "cheap suites", JP.
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Post by darksoul on Aug 4, 2011 0:15:32 GMT -5
Excuse me? Really? you actually used AJ Styles? Oh my goodness! Somebody call the police this man has committed a crime! But in reality, I could care less! The best thing you ever did was stop using him in the WCWA! I don't care WCWA, I really don't. You seem to have this idea I care what you think. I just want to clear this up I do not. I'm not talking about my butt hurting, I'm not begging for reply's. I don't care who you book in your bingo hall. I simply don't care, I made a point. I have the right to an opinion and I stated it. Get over it.
Oh, and as long as you are here in this board. I will never write a show and post it here. I would rather write a show and toss it, than post it under anything you've ever wrote in your entire "writing career" here on a message board for wrestling action figures.
Now, you all have a good night, I'm actually going to get some sleep instead of bantering with a grown man about writing fantasy wrestling.
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Post by darksoul on Aug 4, 2011 0:32:41 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad everyone can type about me behind my back. I've stated my "case" to the people who have asked me. I personally think the maturity level on this web site has declined in recent years. Because once someone has this predetermined mind set of something completely bogus is the right way to go. Everyone has to follow it! Just like the fantasy booking bible. Why would anyone conform to any one opinion written as a fact? It's ridiculous, If I want to book a show with two top WWE competitors then I will. If I didn't use Jack Evans in my episode then that is my choice. See here is the problem with ICW and WCWA, you too believe your opinion on anyone's show is fact.
It is a god damn opinion, do you understand? Or do I have to spell it out for you? Some people have asked for your advice however I did not. Some people may believe you are gods gift to writing, I do not. Therefore I don't need anything from ether of you. I will do what I want with my writing, and I will write however the hell I want. If you can't live with that, then simply do what I asked and leave me alone and don't open my threads. But no you two can't handle that, you've got to go and flip through the little book you created and find some moronic excuse to be so called critics on my writing. I could care less even if you two worked for a promotion and did the same. It changes nothing on how I feel about any of your opinions.
Also, for once WCWA you are right, I am free to think what I want. But I think your show is nothing more than a glorified Combat Zone Wrestling without the mindless blood trusty fans of the 90's. You live in a world of death matches and stupid match concepts with glorified independent wrestlers no one has ever heard of without researching them online. Oh and might I add, where is your readers? Where are this fan base you talk about? besides ICW and some of these "legendary" message board writers I see no one reading your episodes but you. Oh and props to Ian Rotten, next time I see him at a local show I'll make sure I shake his hand I have never heard anyone state it better. Because in the end, that's all you really are. A egotistic cheap suite wearing bastard, trying to make a name for yourself on a wrestling figure forum who consists of 18 to 30 year old collectors. Which you don't even Collect! Oh gee, I'm sorry I forgot you can't buy John Cena because he sold out and isn't in XPW anymore.
Get over yourselves.
Oh and since I'm now labeled immature for having my own opinion, then I'll act "immature" with the following message.
I would like to address the following statement from JP. I won't insult you or call you any names; instead, I'll address all of the points you have made and hopefully this nonsense can come to an end. 1.) How have WCWA and I talked behind your back? According to DTP, you seemed to have PM'ed him and talked badly about WCWA and myself. 2.) The maturity level certainly has declined on this board - mostly because of you. You have taken any piece of advice WCWA or I have ever given you and twisted it into bashing/harassing you when it's simply not true. Had I replied to your shows with "IT SUCKS, GARBAGE, IT'S A PIECE OF CRAP!' then you would have a valid argument. I've replied to your shows with my honest opinion. Are you implying that anyone who reads your shows must agree with every decision you make? You may not want our advice and that's your choice; however, when I read a show I ALWAYS give my honest opinion. I respect any booker that writes and posts a show on this website by replying to their shows, to maybe offer them a piece of advice that nobody else will. 3.) The Fantasy Booking Bible was written SEVERAL years ago as a guideline to fantasy booking. It is not a literal piece of law. If people choose to follow our advice, it's there. If people have questions concerning what to do in booking, it's there. It has information that people can use. I wrote it back when I was 16 or 17 years old and WCWA has edited it with his input. As I said, it's not a law nor do I expect people to treat it as such. 4.) I find it ironic you call fantasy booking - especially WCWA and myself - uncreative. You're the one that has created COUNTLESS feds that have ripped off every single angle that modern day WWE and/or TNA has done. All WCWA has done is introduced wrestlers that not many people have heard of and made them more interesting than anything WWE and/or TNA has done in YEARS. He's also actually STUCK to a series and has NEVER flip flopped on his fed and neither have I. To say we have no creativity is a grave insult and is frankly laughable. 5.) WCWA's fan base reaches far beyond WF. Do you want to know something factual? Professional wrestlers have actually READ many of his shows! To say that I am his only "fan base" because of the unfortunate inactivity of WF Fantasy Booking members is insane and ignorant. You have to take into account that many people read his show and don't bother to even leave a logical reply. For shame. 6.) Your graphic is laughable but you are entitled to your opinion; nobody said you weren't. But you have constantly played the victim card when it's not simply the case. You were offended that someone did not reply to your shows with "dat rocked, i liked when punk pinned cena, 10/10." Period. You were offended that someone did not blindly love your show and proceeded to point out your flaws - which are several, might I add. Look, you can do and say whatever you want. All people have to do is read one of your shows to see that whatever WCWA and myself have said is perfectly valid. You contain a laundry list of spelling errors, book the same thing that WWE and/or TNA does, etc... You won't take our advice, fine. But the ONLY reason I have given you advice is so you can improve on what you do. You don't feel that you need improvement and that's fine. However, I disagree. You'll most likely reply to his and if you do that's fine. I've said my peace. I don't want to fight or be the cause to drive anyone away from fantasy booking and/or text fedding. Both boards used to be a tremendous community that thrived on logical, well thought out shows with logical, well thought out reviews. Quite simply...it's people like you - not WCWA or myself - that has killed what booking was. Oh... and, yes, WCWA does in fact wear "cheap suites", JP. So do you want a award for this piece of writing or something? I'm silly? Oh god! The horror! Please don't call me such hurtful names! I am over this entire augment. Since that is what everyone is calling it, and I've never once said I was a victim. You two couldn't bully anyone in reality or across a keyboard even if you wanted to. I'm not even offended by any of this, I find it really funny actually. Do you? Oh wait I'm sorry you have no sense of humor. Oh and talk about fits? Do you not remember 2006 the year of ICW whining. "I can't do this, I can't do that, I'll quit forever" The only reason I ever came back as many times as I did was because of so many users asking me for new episodes or a new federation. However, it's really sad I was "forced out" like you all said, So I don't get any reply's or have to hear such great advice from WCWA. But it's because I'm immature and I don't know any better or know when to quit right ICW? or Is it because I done gone wrong in the head? Is that how I spell wrong ICW? Is that right? did I spell "teh" right ICW? Huh? Is this silly ICW? Can I book John Cena ICW?
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Post by ICW on Aug 4, 2011 0:42:19 GMT -5
I would like to address the following statement from JP. I won't insult you or call you any names; instead, I'll address all of the points you have made and hopefully this nonsense can come to an end. 1.) How have WCWA and I talked behind your back? According to DTP, you seemed to have PM'ed him and talked badly about WCWA and myself. 2.) The maturity level certainly has declined on this board - mostly because of you. You have taken any piece of advice WCWA or I have ever given you and twisted it into bashing/harassing you when it's simply not true. Had I replied to your shows with "IT SUCKS, GARBAGE, IT'S A PIECE OF CRAP!' then you would have a valid argument. I've replied to your shows with my honest opinion. Are you implying that anyone who reads your shows must agree with every decision you make? You may not want our advice and that's your choice; however, when I read a show I ALWAYS give my honest opinion. I respect any booker that writes and posts a show on this website by replying to their shows, to maybe offer them a piece of advice that nobody else will. 3.) The Fantasy Booking Bible was written SEVERAL years ago as a guideline to fantasy booking. It is not a literal piece of law. If people choose to follow our advice, it's there. If people have questions concerning what to do in booking, it's there. It has information that people can use. I wrote it back when I was 16 or 17 years old and WCWA has edited it with his input. As I said, it's not a law nor do I expect people to treat it as such. 4.) I find it ironic you call fantasy booking - especially WCWA and myself - uncreative. You're the one that has created COUNTLESS feds that have ripped off every single angle that modern day WWE and/or TNA has done. All WCWA has done is introduced wrestlers that not many people have heard of and made them more interesting than anything WWE and/or TNA has done in YEARS. He's also actually STUCK to a series and has NEVER flip flopped on his fed and neither have I. To say we have no creativity is a grave insult and is frankly laughable. 5.) WCWA's fan base reaches far beyond WF. Do you want to know something factual? Professional wrestlers have actually READ many of his shows! To say that I am his only "fan base" because of the unfortunate inactivity of WF Fantasy Booking members is insane and ignorant. You have to take into account that many people read his show and don't bother to even leave a logical reply. For shame. 6.) Your graphic is laughable but you are entitled to your opinion; nobody said you weren't. But you have constantly played the victim card when it's not simply the case. You were offended that someone did not reply to your shows with "dat rocked, i liked when punk pinned cena, 10/10." Period. You were offended that someone did not blindly love your show and proceeded to point out your flaws - which are several, might I add. Look, you can do and say whatever you want. All people have to do is read one of your shows to see that whatever WCWA and myself have said is perfectly valid. You contain a laundry list of spelling errors, book the same thing that WWE and/or TNA does, etc... You won't take our advice, fine. But the ONLY reason I have given you advice is so you can improve on what you do. You don't feel that you need improvement and that's fine. However, I disagree. You'll most likely reply to his and if you do that's fine. I've said my peace. I don't want to fight or be the cause to drive anyone away from fantasy booking and/or text fedding. Both boards used to be a tremendous community that thrived on logical, well thought out shows with logical, well thought out reviews. Quite simply...it's people like you - not WCWA or myself - that has killed what booking was. Oh... and, yes, WCWA does in fact wear "cheap suites", JP. So do you want a award for this piece of writing or something? I'm silly? Oh god! The horror! Please don't call me such hurtful names! I am over this entire augment. Since that is what everyone is calling it, and I've never once said I was a victim. You two couldn't bully anyone in reality or across a keyboard even if you wanted to. I'm not even offended by any of this, I find it really funny actually. Do you? Oh wait I'm sorry you have no sense of humor. Oh and talk about fits? Do you not remember 2006 the year of ICW whining. "I can't do this, I can't do that, I'll quit forever" The only reason I ever came back as many times as I did was because of so many users asking me for new episodes or a new federation. However, it's really sad I was "forced out" like you all said, So I don't get any reply's or have to hear such great advice from WCWA. But it's because I'm immature and I don't know any better or know when to quit right ICW? or Is it because I done gone wrong in the head? Is that how I spell wrong ICW? Is that right? did I spell "teh" right ICW? Huh? Is this silly ICW? Can I book John Cena ICW? I never called you a silly. Ever. In fact, I said in the beginning I wasn't going to insult you. You have not insulted me (directly, anyway)( and therefore I have no insulted you. You may have never said "I'm a victim"; however, you mere reactions to whatever WCWA or myself have to say is indicative of that line of thinking. Back in 2006, I thought about leaving booking out of frustration among other valid reasoning. More than true. However, did I leave? No. I listened to advice, improved and I'm still going strong. I'm in my third year of college and I sadly do not have the time to write like I used to. You're not forced to quit. Nobody is physically stopping you from posting shows. Feel free to do whatever you wish. It's just baffling how much you hate any type of criticism. As for not being able to bully anyone in real life...you're right, I don't bully anyone. Never had to. I am 6'5, 245 pounds. I played football in High School. I THINK I can hold my own... Finally, nobody ever said you can't use WWE guys. I use WWE guys; all of my roster is of guys who have wrestled in WWE, TNA, ROH; I just book them differently. I'm creative. I don't copy whatever storyline WWE and/or TNA has done; I stopped doing that when I was 10.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 1:36:47 GMT -5
Oh...hey what's going on in the Text Fed Chat....
*insert Grandpa Simpson gif*
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Post by ICW on Aug 4, 2011 1:40:39 GMT -5
Philly Boy!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 6:20:07 GMT -5
Is there seriously some type of dispute going on within the realm of a forum for fantasy booking? The one thing I have learned through the years of writing these type of things, is always absorb any advice given by "veteran" writers. While one may disagree or even hate the advice that is given, take it with diplomacy and respect.
If anything, I have always seen it as a way to step away and take a different look at my show and compare it to the things they are saying. One can never see the forest through the trees, but you can see it from the road. It is a real opportunity to say, "Hey, am I really doing this?". I never have and probably never will believe that people are saying things for the grand sake of being malicious. People say the things they do because it is how they honestly feel and believe that it will help someone's show to improve it for their own enjoyment.
Phoenix, I don't know you and have never read one of your shows. That being said, I don't know if I agree or disagree with what is being said, so I can't speak from that angle. However, I can't see that someone is trying to be rude boorish or baleful for the simple sake of being as such. They are just trying to help, at least from what I can gather. That being said, you are also 100% entitled to say everything you wish to say. I just wish you were a slight bit more suave in doing so.
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