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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 19:54:09 GMT -5
A lot of this just seems like common sense to me: 1) If they make enough to meet the consumer demand, they'll make more money. 2) If they frustrate their dedicated fan base with availability, eventually there will be fewer of them and they'll make less money. 3) If I have to spend $90 to get it on Ebay instead of $20 at retail, I have less money to spend on other WWE Mattel products, so they make less money. Incredible post. Logic!
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 17:18:40 GMT -5
These will be in stores, you know that right? Patience. If people wanted a Piper from They Live, Neca made a better one. Can’t see much demand outside of people buying a bunch for customs The only demand is that it's new. That's like 90% of demand for these figures. People want them because they're new and they don't have patience. Harley Race isn't new. Million Dollar Man isn't new. Beefcake is not that new. It's not about patience!
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 17:15:39 GMT -5
These will be in stores, you know that right? Patience. If people wanted a Piper from They Live, Neca made a better one. Can’t see much demand outside of people buying a bunch for customs I have not found Brutus the Barber Beefcake at stores. Nor Harley Race. Nor the new Million Dollar Man. Hogan won't be in the stores. So Patience isn't my problem ... its results that I choose to remedy. Your view on Piper is your view. I can't believe the reveal was yesterday and today it is gone. People say there is nothing we can do ... there is something that could be done. What would be wrong hypothetically if Mattel said if we could get a top 20 list that the fans voted for. After the vote you take the top 10. Show a rendering of those 10 .... I give them my money ... That would be PATIENCE! Mattel could show WWE the demand .. that could help them secure the legends deal and some. Mattel makes money. And they have over a year to execute it. They offer it to anyone in the world. No money left on the table. No middle man. Much like this crowd funding. We would all serve as marketers to try to get as many to buy these figures as possible. If it fails NOW after being around for 10 years and establishing themselves .... then no more complaining by me. The people spoke.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 17:06:40 GMT -5
Bobby Heenan, Just got Kama at Amazon per your incredible suggestion. THANK YOU! A great reason why I love this forum! Still wish it would have been $20.00 plus but it's better than the joke of what's going on with Beefcake right now. JOKE! You quit the hobby but then bought a kama figure? There isn't any technology that can fix the online pre order system. They will sell out in seconds no matter what website they sell them on. I hate my job ... please don't be a hater. I don't want to quit the hobby but I am finding it increasingly more frustrating to the point I might ... but thanks to the KIND people on this board who shares ideas or knowledge there is potential hope. I thank those fellow collectors who kindly take the time to help and understand.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 17:04:18 GMT -5
I think the only way this changes is if enough people band together and say how much we don’t enjoy this system. It’s the only way to counter act the influencers talking about how great it is to sell out in 8 seconds and how that’s great for collecting. Now watch some guy come in with “I got all of those, don’t seen an issue” start an argument and get the thread locked. I couldn't agree more! I have gone to stores and have seen several hard to buy figures and respectfully leave them if I have them so those who want them can get them. I have a job so I don't need to take advantage of people on the scalpers market. I have an appreciation and respect for fellow collectors .... however ... for those who say get over it ... or they will be in the store ... if it was that easy ... I wouldn't waste my time writing about it here. Also, I think it is pretty telling about their dismissive attitude ... perhaps they benefit $$$ from this. This is money I would rather see Mattel get or Ringside or the stores. Not scalpers who take the joy out of this hobby for me. I CAN'T THANK YOU ALL ENOUGH FOR SHARING THAT MANY OF YOU FEEL THE SAME. Again, I am not blaming Mattel ... but they have to see what is happening here and how this potentially can hurt them too. Mcfclee, count me in as one to band together.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 15:19:14 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior I appreciate the advise. Thank you!
Slimjim23 ... so happy for you that you just got in and were able to nab those figures. LOVE IT! When I got Mr. T last year ... I was very grateful and yet felt bad for many who didn't get it. As a new collector if you don't understand compassion for those who have been buying figures since the 80's in stores ... to now where technology allows us to all get a shot at them in theory on-line ... and so many miss out - because the one hour they were available some of us might have been working, or dealing with our kids and family ... then you will know the decades we have been doing this because we love it and then read this thread and you will start to see that fortunately I am not alone with this frustration and then perhaps you will compassionately understand.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 14:47:53 GMT -5
Bobby Heenan,
Just got Kama at Amazon per your incredible suggestion. THANK YOU! A great reason why I love this forum! Still wish it would have been $20.00 plus but it's better than the joke of what's going on with Beefcake right now. JOKE!
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 14:25:34 GMT -5
I fully understand. It’s frustrating, annoying, and pointless. I felt this way years ago and mainly went to JUST collecting flashbacks. Then over the last year I started buying newer characters again, but I’ve realized why and I don’t like it. I’m buying newer characters because I’m not finding any flashbacks. I occasionally order online but I don’t preorder much anymore or care to. I’ll continue to buy what I like but this past week or so has been something else. I heard for YEARS that legends don’t sell, but they forever sellout in stores where I live and online this past week has been beyond ridiculous. They take that stance on flashbacks but everytime they wanna sell a new ring, new series, or almost anything it’s done off the back of a flashback. Then it becomes scalper fodder. Stop rewarding this behavior already (which is worse when stuff is ONLINE ONLY with bots and the like) and start rewarding actual collectors who support your product. I saw this happen with sneakers thru the years and if toy companies follow that model, a lot of collectors are gonna be pissed and BROKE. Your point is so well taken. We are TOLD Legends don't sell ... yet so many of us want them and we can't find them. I would rather wait over a year so all of us can preorder and when it is ready we will get it and support it. This 1 hour window or less is insulting and infuriating.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 14:16:37 GMT -5
I got over it when I couldn’t find the chase Valentine or Dibiase. I really wanted them but I got forced to not care and now it’s better that I don’t Yes totally forgot about Ted DiBiase. I tried him too. It really gets me angry but maybe I won't care soon. Thanks for not making me feel like it's just me.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 14:03:53 GMT -5
Sorry accidentally reposted (probably due to my massive depression) lol!
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 14:03:12 GMT -5
And again ... because I like Mattel, their product and staff ... I REALLY want to see them succeed .... but if we don't have a shot at this it reminds me of the Playmates Star Trek show on Netflix ... eventually the collectors had enough. I DON'T want to see this. Please have a reissue of these either from Mattel (where they will be in control of their own destiny) or WWE Shop or Ringside please.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 13:50:03 GMT -5
I love this forum.
I love Mattel's Elite scale sized figures
I love how Steve takes the time to interact with us and answers questions.
I have a massive collection and have been a loyal customer from the beginning of Mattel WWE and as far back as the original LJN.
But I am sadly getting over it.
I was so excited to see the reveals yesterday and saw the cool concept of Movie themed figures. I said to myself I want that Piper, Rock and Andre The Giant. Today, literally less than 24 hours of the reveal .. the preorder is up at Walmart and Piper is already gone. What the heck!! If you are like me ... I want ALL of you to have a shot at it. I get no satisfaction that I got it and you didn't. But how in 2021 with technology can we not all get a crack at it?
I get an email that Hulk Hogan is on preorder at Amazon. As soon as I got the e-mail I followed the link and he was no longer available. How can that be?
On the last reveal I thought .. I want that Brutus the Barber Beefcake. For awhile I saw the figure on the site and requested them to send me when he was available to buy ... now his figure is no longer there and people are selling them on Ebay for an astronomical price.
Kama .. I really paid attention to Walmart ... never saw it ... gone.
Got an email Sgt. Slaughter was available at WWE Shop. Went there right away. GONE@
So I see these reveals and if I did like something .... I am almost saying .. what's the point?
Then I see people getting excited about Rey Mysterio's little boy who was featured for a day or the Goon .... which was around for a few months at best and wonder how we don't have Ivan Koloff, Or Pedro Morales, Putski, Brody, The Butcher Stan Hansen, Hercules, Patera and so many others who were not only Main eventers but in the Hall of Fame. Maybe I am alone here ... and boy do I feel alone ... but for those talking about rebuilding their collection ... get ready because this customer is sadly getting over it.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 12:47:45 GMT -5
I hope they get their goal. I have 4 rings - too many Diesel's and Kevin Nash's for me to go $250.00 - Sorry.
HOWEVER
Give me the light up entrance and a battle Royale of First in the line Legends on tiers and I am in for more $$$$$. $500 or more. This gives the passionate collector who loves Legends not to have to worry about Retailers like in the scenario with Todd McFarlane he can show proof of concept! Or Scalpers.
Ring Entrance with lights. Ivan Koloff, Bruiser Brody, Abdullah The Butcher, Stan Hansen, Tony Atlas, Ivan Putski, Ken Patera, Mr. Fugi, Killer Khan, Pedro Morales, Antonio Inoki, Mil Mascaras,
At 7,000
Dick Murdoch, Kevin Sullivan, David Von Erich, Dory Funk Jr. Jerry Brisco,
at 8,000
Young Ric Flair, Young Hulk Hogan, Young Andre The Giant, King Kong Bundy.
at 9,000
Gorgeous George
at 10,000
Jeff Jarrett
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 23, 2021 13:54:04 GMT -5
Did I miss this already? I looked and saw nothing of the new Hulk on Amazon and went to lunch I came back and see it but it is not available. Did I miss it?
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 23, 2021 9:48:51 GMT -5
Thank you for all of your input. I really appreciate it.
I HATE MY JOB - to your point and it is a valid one. Thank you. I did buy those but could totally understand why others didn't at the time. My thoughts then was ... If they were going to have someone as popular as Andre the Giant on line or Bundy at the early stages of Mattel's line ... I was wondering were they not doing legends? Or understood that collector ... if not that would be a deterrent to me for investing in this line. There was still a residual effect of JAKKS having the most diverse line of wrestlers ever made that had really good sculpts and was Mattel going to be able to do that? They still haven't matched the diversity however their scale and sculpts have me totally in and my jakks are in storage. Did enough people know about those figures on-line before gaining the brand loyalty of the line. So Mattel was correct in doing it but perhaps at the wrong time. I would like to think they have a far larger audience NOW that would lead to more success.
Buddyboy 101 - thank you. I actually like LOD a lot ... but I more questioned why they didn't establish Slaughter's, Snuka's and LOD's classic look to kick things off. That made me question if they knew these superstars and the new collectors to this line. I would say now the answer is yes .. but back then I questioned it.
BABABOOEY. Thank you. So when you take pictures let's say straight on does it not look more like a toy or not as realistic with that overt joint? Just not sure about the posing - perhaps I need to move them around more. I guess I wouldn't mess with Mattel's sales on how they order etc ... but certainly wished they would maximize their potential with reorders. Kind of like Target is doing now on remakes of Rogue for Marvel Legends. I sadly agree with your third point which is why it might be safer to let the collector decide if their is a market for anything 80's and earlier ... with now a larger audience and to your point Mattel Creations ... there really is no more excuses for the collector if they promote a legend and see how it does. If it fails ... the collectors spoke. If it wins - everyone wins.
Guster. Thank you. Yes you are correct soda and underwear sell without a lot of effort ... toys definitely sell but with more strategy and awareness. I have been to Toys r us and marveled how little they know their toys. To some people jobs are jobs and not passion to know. I don't know the buyers knowledge and understanding of collectors ... then the scalpers and how many others would buy. Bottom line, I think you are right .. and I feel pretty confident that Mattel knows what they are doing far more than I am suggesting ... I am just adding a voice for them to consider of my passion. Based on what I see here on this forum I am not alone .... but perhaps we are still not significant enough to financially impact them .. which is why they fight to get a legend in a line.
Again, thanks to all of you for the exchange,
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 23, 2021 8:39:24 GMT -5
I could be one of the oldest collectors here, but need your advice please. What am I missing on:
1. Butterfly shoulders? I don't think they look anywhere near as good or real. Are they more playable? Do people like the look more? What am I missing?
2. Why does Walmart, Target for example buy a line in advance from Mattel on concept ... and not leverage their on-line pre-sales to gage the wants of that product? It seems that both the retailer and Mattel are not reaching their potential on sales.
3. If it is true that Walmart and Target want 50 John Cena's, Rock's, and hot new wrestlers etc ... and not so much obscure legends (Ivan Putski, Tony Atlas, Pedro Morales, Bruiser Brody, Harley Race etc ... doesn't that perfectly fit the Mattel Creations model for them to put that out to see how the collectors respond? Maybe they will get there I hope but on-line sales opens up sooooo many possibilities for Mattel to make money.
Thanks for your input.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 23, 2021 8:27:22 GMT -5
Love WWE Mattel Elites scale size. Have been collecting from the beginning and want their success and my collection to grow. I do want to support Mattel's innovations and creations ...
However ... because I have been loyal from the beginning and other wrestling lines ...
I have a Raw and Smackdown light up ring, entrances, WCW ring, two cage match rings. What I don't have that seems to be highly requested here are things that retailers and WWE are not as aggressive as wanting as collectors are and that is LEGENDS! I would pay $500.00 if it was build a battle Royale ring. Light up entrance, ring and a first in the line legend. Tiers grow the legends to build a battle Royale of legends. If this works these legends would have a proof of concept and they can reissue them in another wardrobe and packaging at a later date. That would greatly appeal to me. I have ring skirts, I have multiple Kevin Nash's, I have multiple rings, just not the light up. With all of that said, I hope this is a Giant success.
I still am beyond frustrated that I can't get the new Kama, Brutus the Barber Beefcake, Sgt Slaughter is already gone ... never got Harley Race in spite of trying--- with these kind of buildups - the customer would have every opportunity to jump on the Mattel train and buy - and make them a lot of money. This is where I supported Todd McFarlane because he wanted to make a figure that the retailers didn't share his passion ... so he went around them to the customer and they spoke. He made $$$$$$$$! We waited patiently as he took us through the process and it worked. It was fun and a win win. I want that for Mattel
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 19, 2021 13:16:28 GMT -5
With the WWE network, their extensive library, their Hall of Fame, etc ... is there a way to get more 1st in the line Legends?
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jun 30, 2021 10:34:36 GMT -5
Harley Race Ivan Koloff Nikita Koloff Scott Steiner Rick Steiner Tony Atlas Killer Khan Ken Patera Bruiser Brody Abdullah The Butcher Stan Hansen Dory Funk Jr.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jun 30, 2021 10:30:55 GMT -5
I wonder if they still have the rights? I'm thinking that they probably don't... I mean, it's been over 3 years since the Flashback 3 one and there's been no sign of him since - knowing that he had a very limited release and is quite sought-after, I'm sure Mattel would have released another one by now(?). I just remember that Steve said they were working on getting Harley back in but as you said ... 3 years. That's a long time for a famous World Champion. Thanks for your input
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