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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 5, 2015 18:57:35 GMT -5
Fatal 4-Way preview is up and running. condensed it to two posts instead of three.
Again, not expecting replies on it but I have no problem with questions/comments/concerns via PM as well as any other replies to Over the Limit. Looking for a Sunday/Monday Fatal 4-Way post.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 5, 2015 18:54:24 GMT -5
| WWE Championship John Cena (c) vs. Batista vs. Big Show vs. Sheamus
World Heavyweight Championship Drew McIntyre (c) vs. Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Randy Orton
United States Championship The Miz (c) vs. Evan Bourne vs. John Morrison vs. Shelton Benjamin
Women's Championship Michelle McCool (c) vs. Beth Phoenix vs. Layla vs. Maryse
Six-Man Tag Team Match CM Punk, Joseph Mercury & Luke Gallows vs. David Hart Smith, Rey Mysterio & Tyson Kidd
Intercontinental Championship Kofi Kingston (c) vs. Wade Barrett
#1 Contender's Match: WWE Tag Team Championships Carlito & Primo vs. Jey Uso & Jimmy Uso | Fatal 4-Way || June 20, 2010
Nassau Coliseum || Uniondale, New York | The Overwhelming Stage Louis Nizer once said, “I know of no higher fortitude than stubbornness in the face of overwhelming odds.” In Uniondale, the odds are stacked heavily against all who compete. The fatal 4-way match is designed to give each competitor both equal odds to win, as well as overpowering odds to lose. Three-quarters of fatal 4-way participants crumble under the weight of the opposing odds, and only twenty-five percent can claim victory. Four championships—WWE, World Heavyweight, United States, and Women’s—will be contested with one champion and three challengers. Those who can overcome the odds will be able to prosper going forward; long-term success will be granted to those who survive Fatal 4-Way! |
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RINGSIDE: The Road to Fatal 4-Way //////////////
//////////////////////// reported by Dante Vocaturo | Over the Limit saw the crowning of two new heavyweight champions. In the main event, John Cena dethroned Batista to reclaim the WWE Championship he lost at Elimination Chamber in February. Cena expressed interest in defending the title “like a man” against all comers, which includes three challengers in the spirit of Fatal 4-Way. He granted Batista a rematch clause and entertained two qualification matches, which were won by the feuding Big Show and Sheamus. On the go-home Raw before Fatal 4-Way, all four met for a contract signing, which turned ugly. Show knocked out Cena, Batista dropped Show with a spinebuster through the table, and Sheamus landed a Brogue Kick, hoisting the WWE Championship over his head and planting his boot on Batista’s chest to close the show.
Edge may have retained the World Heavyweight Championship in a triple threat match, but Drew McIntyre walked out of Detroit with the title, having successfully cashed in Money in the Bank. Vince McMahon held a celebration for McIntyre on SmackDown, with a video package and a ceremonial toast. Randy Orton, who said he had a bone to pick with the new champion, interrupted the ceremony. “I could have RKO’ed you when I had the chance if you didn’t take the initiative to cheap shot me with the briefcase,” Orton argued. Soon after, Chris Jericho entered, citing it was Orton’s doing that wrongly cost him the match. Those two argued until the former World Heavyweight Champion, Edge, appeared. “Sure, you two have your minor discrepancies but I have a rematch clause that I intend on using!” In what could have been seen as a foolish decision, McIntyre decided he would grant all of them a shot at his gold. On an episode of Raw, McMahon asked Drew McIntyre if he made a wise decision. McIntyre responded: “Don’t worry about me. I’m too good to lose the title at Fatal 4-Way.”
The inaugural season of NXT came to an exciting conclusion. Heath Slater was eliminated on May 25th. Instead of polls to determine the winner, on June 1st, the three remaining competitors wrestled in a pair of matches, with the rookie who gets pinned or submitted being eliminated. Justin Gabriel lost the opening contest, with the high flyer finishing third. In the main event, Wade Barrett defeated David Otunga in a back-and-forth match to win the first season of NXT. For his victory, Barrett receives an Intercontinental Championship match against Kofi Kingston at Fatal 4-Way.
The Hart Dynasty saved Rey Mysterio from an attack by the Straight Edge Society at Over the Limit, forcing CM Punk to shave his head. A more aggressive, bald Punk appeared after a week on hiatus, calling out the Hart Dynasty and blaming them for the loss of his hair. The Harts took full responsibility and said they would gladly do it again. During the Hart Dynasty’s match on the subsequent SmackDown, the Straight Edge Society attacked, leaving Kidd and Smith prone in the ring. Mysterio ultimately evened the odds, helping the tag team champions in a crowd-pleasing brawl with the Society.
The Miz retained his United States Championship and attacked Evan Bourne at Over the Limit. It has been Miz’s mission since losing the tag team championships to keep the United States Title his for as long as he can, but the deck has been stacked against him heading into Fatal 4-Way. GM Bret Hart announced that Bourne would receive a rematch AND John Morrison would be included, an addition Morrison himself eluded to backstage at Over the Limit. Both men appeared on the entrance ramp and charged to the ring, catching Miz and beating him down. The crowd feverously cheered until Shelton Benjamin stormed the ring and planted both Bourne and Morrison with Pay Dirt. Benjamin posed with the United States Championship, and in a later interview entered the US Title match. It has been a matter of respect, with each man working hard in matches and, for the most part, coming out on top. In the one loss The Miz suffered (to Kofi Kingston in a champion versus champion match), he grabbed the microphone and in a straightforward tone said, “It doesn’t matter if I lost this match. I am The Miz, and I am still the United States Champion. I win when it matters—when this title is on the line. And this Sunday, I am going to win.”
Women’s Champion Michelle McCool announced her match for Fatal 4-Way, only for Bret Hart to overrule her and announce a novel concept—a fatal four-way match. He declared Maryse would receive another shot at McCool’s championship, as well as Layla due to McCool requesting her. The final participant would be decided via a battle royal in Toledo, which was one by Beth Phoenix. McCool and Layla tried to team up to take out McCool on the May 31st episode, attacking “The Glamazon” during her entrance and throwing her into the WWE logo statue on the stage. Phoenix would return on the June 18th SmackDown, attacking McCool in her match with Kelly Kelly.
The Usos and Carlito & Primo interacted on an episode of Raw, with the former interrupting the latter’s interview. Both of them declared themselves the top contenders to the WWE Tag Team Championships, and WWE.com announced that the two would compete at Fatal 4-Way, with the winning team fighting for the titles at Money in the Bank.
Season Two of NXT kicked off in these weeks. The rookies and their pros are as follows: Alex Riley, pro The Miz; Curtis Axel, pro Kofi Kingston; Eli Cottonwood, pro John Morrison; Husky Harris, pro Cody Rhodes; Kaval, pro Evan Bourne; Lucky Cannon, pros the Hart Dynasty; Percy Watson, pro Zack Ryder; Titus O’Neil, pro Jack Swagger. Axel, the son of Mr. Perfect and the grandson of Larry “The Axe” Hennig, was in first place in the preliminary pros poll on June 15th. The first elimination will be July 13th.
In other news, General Manager Bret Hart announced that he would be implementing a committee of legends to assist him in managing day-to-day. This committee consists of Roddy Piper, Ricky Steamboat, Dusty Rhodes, and “Stone Cold” Steve Austin. Vignettes aired in between segments showing all five discussing matters, but as of now only Hart has appeared in segments to manage. Former NXT contestants David Otunga and Justin Gabriel received matches on Raw and SmackDown, respectively, both in losing efforts. Christian still hasn’t been seen on television since Extreme Rules, but short vignettes have aired showing him in gyms, working on everything from agility to mat wrestling.
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TOLEDO—Huntington Center: Sheamus defeated Rey Mysterio…Beth Phoenix wins a battle royal, last eliminating Natalya…Kane defeated Ted DiBiase…Big Show defeated Dolph Ziggler (5/24/2010)
AUSTIN—Frank Irwin Center: John Cena defeated Cody Rhodes…Evan Bourne & John Morrison defeated The Miz & Shelton Benjamin…Sheamus defeated Kane…Maryse defeated Layla…Chris Jericho defeated Randy Orton (5/31/2010)
MIAMI—American Airlines Arena: (VIEWER’S CHOICE RAW) Wade Barrett defeated R-Truth…Kofi Kingston defeated Rey Mysterio to RETAIN the intercontinental Championship…Kane defeated Ezekiel Jackson in a tables match…Jey and Jimmy Uso defeated Goldust & Jim Duggan…Dolph Ziggler & Shelton Benjamin defeated John Morrison & R-Truth…John Cena & Evan Bourne defeated Chris Jericho & Sheamus…Batista defeated Edge in a street fight (6/7/2010)
CHARLOTTE—Time Warner Cable Arena: Evan Bourne defeated David Otunga…Carlito & Primo defeated Curt Hawkins & Zack Ryder…Kofi Kingston defeated The Miz…Eve defeated Alicia Fox…Batista & Sheamus defeated Big Show & John Cena (6/14/2010)
| NXT: May 25th: Justin Gabriel defeated David Otunga…Wade Barrett defeated Heath Slater (Heath Slater was eliminated)
NXT Season One Finale: June 1st: Wade Barrett & David Otunga eliminate Justin Gabriel…Wade Barrett defeated David Otunga to win NXT Season One
NXT Season Two Premiere: June 8th: Alex Riley defeated Kaval…Percy Watson & Titus O’Neil defeated Eli Cottonwood & Lucky Cannon…Curtis Axel defeated Husky Harris
NXT: June 15th: Tyson Kidd defeated Alex Riley…Kaval defeated The Miz
| CLEVELAND—Quicken Loans Arena: Kane defeated Jack Swagger…Shelton Benjamin & The Miz defeated Carlito & Primo…Ted DiBiase defeated Randy Orton…Kofi Kingston & R-Truth defeated Jey Uso & Jimmy Uso (5/28/2010)
DALLAS—American Airlines Center: David Hart Smith & Tyson Kidd defeated Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger by disqualification…Kofi Kingston defeated CM Punk…Michelle McCool defeated Natalya…Rey Mysterio defeated Sheamus (6/4/2010)
TAMPA—St Pete Times Forum: CM Punk, Joseph Mercury & Luke Gallows defeated Big Show, MVP, & Evan Bourne…Gail Kim defeated Kelly Kelly…John Morrison defeated Dolph Ziggler…Drew McIntyre defeated Rey Mysterio (6/11/2010)
RALEIGH—RBC Center: Cody Rhodes defeated Justin Gabriel…Michelle McCool defeated Kelly Kelly by disqualification…Evan Bourne & John Morrison defeated Ted DiBiase & Wade Barrett…Edge & John Cena defeated Sheamus & Chris Jericho (6/18/2010)
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The Inside Scoop: June 19th, 2010
Christian has been competing on the house show circuit for the past three weeks. His opponent has shifted from Jack Swagger to The Miz to Cody Rhodes. He was beating Swagger and Rhodes and losing to Miz in United States Title matches, only to hit the Killswitch on Miz after the match. For what it’s worth, he tells the crowd he has an announcement to make at Fatal 4-Way.
The Undertaker has expressed interest in working the latter half of the year, particularly at Survivor Series, which would mark his twentieth year in the company. No word yet on who he would work or what he would be doing storyline-wise.
The committee of legends overseeing WWE was instituted as a joint idea of Bret Hart and Vince McMahon. McMahon suggested there might be a point where the GM would have to take bumps, something Hart cannot do due to his health concerns. Hart apparently was the one to think up the idea of a group of legends governing the competition.
Kane recently interviewed with a Tampa radio show, and a question regarding his eventual retirement came up. Kane is 43 years old, and he explained that he has done more than what he expected to do in his nearly two decades in WWE. He said that his retirement won’t be this year and he doesn’t want it to be a big send-off, but it is coming sooner rather than later.
We reported last month that the late-October pay-per-view was searching for an identity, and that remains the case now. Officials have re-updated their list of names, and have begun polling on WWE.com. The list of names on the website are as follows: No Mercy, Vengeance, Judgment Day, Halloween Havoc, One Night Only, Fall Brawl, Battleground, Breakdown, Duality, and Fallout.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 5, 2015 16:11:41 GMT -5
He should be in the same leagues as Ambrose, Rollins and Reigns; he should be a main man, he should be the second-top heel frankly. I think a big problem in his way is that there are just so many stars from past era's that aren't leaving their spots, and its killing guys like Barrett, Bray, Cesaro, Ryback and soon Owens I fear. Why were Big Show and Kane main eventing shows for the first 6 months this year?! If it were 10/15 years ago, yeah sure, but now its just laughable, they have no relevance and the fans really dont care! Kane hasn't had a memorable feud since 2010 when he feuded with Taker, which should have been his send-off really, and hell the one before that was way back in 2004 with the same man!! Show's even worse, I cant remember him being in a major feud, something that made me want to watch a show, that entertained me since MAYBE Survivor Series 2002! He's simply a joke, yet because he's the biggest dude they have, they still push him as a beast...even though we've seen him cry numerous times, and dance around in stupid outfits numerous times, and be a big cuddly teddy bear numerous times and ect ect. And Cena is a big problem too, but thats something I've wrote about a bunch here; simply put he's a cancer that is killing so many careers because he's too stubborn to take a back seat - Austin did it in 2002, Michaels did it pretty much since he came back in 2002, Orton's started to do it, Jericho done it, , HULK HOGAN did it after Mania X8!! Yet Cena, nope Cena has to still be the unbeatable monster that has to win 90% of the feuds he's in because he's their top player.....maybe he's their top player because they haven't taken the damn risk with anyone else and just revert back to him?! Barrett should be in the ME scene, or atleast the upper midcard, having perfect matches with Ambrose and Reigns;he can brawl, he can wrestle, he can pretty much do it all, and has charisma coming out of the ears....yet he's placed in mind-numbing feuds with the likes of Truth and comes out of them looking like a child and an amateur Hit the nail on the head here bud. I touched upon this in the NXT call-up thread; the casual fan does not care about guys like Barrett, Bray, etc. because they aren't pushed to care about them. The guys who should be leading the company into the future aren't afforded time, character development, momentum, and a medium to excel with. And yes, they have to take a back seat to guys like Cena, Orton, Show, Kane, 'Taker, Lesnar, etc. and while those guys are given promo time, character development, and direction, the guys us hardcore fans want to see succeed aren't. And it's a shame because there's gonna be a day where Undertaker can't work anymore, where Kane can't work anymore. They lose all the part timers and big names and then what? They have no one being groomed to be top tier guys after this wave of superstars.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 5, 2015 11:23:05 GMT -5
Cesaro and Sheamus are my top two dream opponents for Lesnar right now.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 5, 2015 6:58:14 GMT -5
^ I popped hard for the Stunner spot.
Also, because tonight is the night,
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 4, 2015 20:32:18 GMT -5
Pretty cool opening promo with the dual General Managers and the Purge. I dig the Hell in a Cell; at first glanced I thought the stip seemed forced but I figured it plays well to keep the Purge out. The Wolves beating the Usos was fine in the opener; Japan is this week? I'm excited for it! Nice call with Triple H banning the Wolves from ringside. Ryback beating Axel was cool. Big fan of the promo between Rhodes and Styles and I wait with bated breath for their encounter. Good call having Nattie face Paige in Japan; should be a quality match. Tong Po baby. Push him to the moon; he's money. Beating R-Truth was fine and I'm looking forward to his rematch with Ambrose. Surprised the team of Danielson and Neville knocked off the Wyatts but it's good considering Bryan has been getting his ass kicked by them for a few weeks. Cesaro/Reigns is shaping up to be quality. Good call with Barrett beating Mizdow. It'll cause the latter to question his position and leads to a detailed story. Highlight Reel on SD is good ish. Main event was solid, as expected. Smart to screw over the hometown boy, especially in the fashion you did it. Punk don't need no briefcase at this stage in the game anyway. Good show as always bud.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 4, 2015 17:16:59 GMT -5
I think it has to do with how they handle the talent upon landing on the main roster. Obviously they're not going to debut and tear through Raw and SmackDown like they did in NXT but there should be a replication of sorts of the uniqueness and intricacies of the characters' personas. Sure, the atmosphere of Full Sail contributes to it, but anyone who gets over on a small medium can translate that onto the main roster (see: Zack Ryder and his YouTube show). Like the Ascension went from the most dominant tag team in WWE in the last five years while in NXT to getting beat up by AARP-card-carrying-members in the New Age Outlaws and APA. They were given no direction and lack to this day character development, two key things that the main roster doesn't do and two key things that make NXT acts special. That dominant of a team could've came out of NXT with a hit list and, especially at a time where the Usos were tag champs, could have been a fresh and exciting new heel team to challenge for the Tag Belts. They could have been a threat but weren't made out to be one. Same with Paige. She had a unique character--the "Anti-Diva." She had nuances and intricacies that made her stand out in NXT. But once she got to the main roster, she became generic. Her Anti-Diva stance was gone, she was given no real direction (okay, win the belt, have some challengers, lose the belt. Turn heel, win the belt, lose the belt, do some stuff. You'll be on Raw every week so the fans will naturally be invested in you). Obviously, she wasn't given the time on the main roster to showcase neither her talent nor her personality in a quality manner. She didn't have to be the most dominant diva ever, she didn't have to break AJ's longest reign length. If she was given clarity and direction and a reason for the casual fan to care about her, no one would complain. I'm a fan of Paige, but the casual fan never has had the true chance to care about her. And it's not Paige's fault; it's the direction of creative. The higher-ups are so focused on the casual fan perception but don't do much to help the roster get over with the casual fan. Another problem lies in how they decide to bring them up too. Yes, you want a debuting guy to win and to look good. That doesn't mean they need a squash match. That doesn't mean they need a winning streak. Adam Rose, Bo Dallas, and Rusev say hi here. When a guy debuts with a win over a jobber, it doesn't necessarily give the casual fan that "ooh, ahh" feeling--that feeling that the fan wants to necessarily see this guy wrestle again. "Yeah, they beat so-and-so, but just wait until they get fed to Cena or Orton or whomever." And that's basically what it comes to be. These guys come up and beat a dozen nobodies, then lose all their momentum in a feud with the main roster guy. It diminishes that person's credibility as well as the credibility of the next NXT guy to come up. "If Guy A couldn't get the job done, what makes me think Guy B could?" Look at Rusev. He beat midcarders and Big Show for a year, then lost three matches to John Cena. All his momentum was gone. Dallas had a streak, lost it to R-Truth and has done NOTHING since. Rose wins, does nothing. Turns heel, does nothing. Loses EVERYTHING that made his character worthy of coming up to the main roster, does nothing. "No feuds, no direction" seems to be the theme. They bring up guys with some buzz but have no long-term plan with them. They with the aura that made them unique in NXT and put them in un-winnable situations with main roster guys. The casual fan doesn't care about them because they aren't given a REASON to care. I also think that indirectly, the surplus of part-timers and protected guys hurt the NXT guys. WWE relies SO heavily on this group that no one is allowed to care for the NXT guys, for lack of a better term. My father is a casual fan. He enjoys Brock, 'Taker, and Orton for the most part, mostly because they're three guys that WWE bills so highly. He doesn't care much for guys like Bo, Tyson Kidd, Neville, etc. because the programming isn't compelling him to care about them. And, I don't want to turn this into "that kind" of thread because I appreciate what he did to elevate the US Title, but Cena did a guy like Kevin Owens, who came on the main roster white-hot, NO favors besides the debut win. I'm a fan of all the guys the OP mentioned and I'm hopeful guys like Balor, Itami, Zayn, Samoa Joe, etc. will find their niches on the main roster. But right now they're not helping the cause with their NXT stars.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 4, 2015 14:18:49 GMT -5
IF he comes back to television he should be a heel. He shines best and seems more comfortable in that role.
IF he comes back it should be at one of the Big Four PPVs in a marquee match (not necessarily main event) against a face Lesnar. Then he'd go on to work in hard-hitting matches against the likes of Ambrose, Reigns, Rollins (assuming he turns face at some point), Cesaro, etc. But that all depends on whether or not he comes back.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 4, 2015 7:46:36 GMT -5
The rock, paper, scissors poop at the start of the match is back according to the video. ing yay. Other than that the video was p cool.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 4, 2015 7:08:29 GMT -5
This makes no sense for me. If Rollins wins, then why did we spend 4 months investing into the United States Championship and building it up and adding prestige only to have it gone, either unified or tied to the WWE Title? If Cena wins, then why didn't he just drop the US Title when he had the chance and why do we need to see Cena win the title? Sheamus cashing in only further exacerbates the confusion long-term around the title. It should have been Rollins vs a masked Kane and Cena should be defending the belt against Cesaro and Owens.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 3, 2015 18:50:15 GMT -5
Fun fact: John Cena is 12-1 in matches (including house shows) against Kevin Owens. We saw the the only time he beat John live.
Nevertheless, I'm confident Owens can bounce back from the feud. He's got a quality dude in Cesaro to get him back on track. To have them go three PPVs would be fantastic. Owens is one of the better mic men currently in WWE. He's better at getting stronger heat than our WWE Champion, and he does a better job than 95% of the speaking roster when it comes to delivering his lines in order to convey a message. His matches are always entertaining, from his squashes to his close contests. He's one of the best assets WWE has today.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 3, 2015 18:11:48 GMT -5
G1 baby! I've watched a lot less Japanese wrestling than I should, but I understand the style of booking and who's who and whatnot. The one thing about New Japan is that all the matches are usually solid and all of these are well-written. Not much to comment on that field, so most of the comments deal with the booking. Also I like the layout of the diary. It's simple, direct and straightforward, which reflects the product. Pretty cool eight-man tag to kick off; can't really tell you the magnitude of who wins or loses but I know reDRagon and Jushin Thunder Liger so them winning sounds good to me. Suzukigun defeating CHAOS in another eight man was good stuff. Another solid match and Benjamin winning was sweet. Three for three on solid eight-man tags and I'm kinda glad the Bullet Club lost. Great Junior Tag Title match and the right team won. The Young Bucks are money. Solid Junior Heavyweight Title match. Hoping Ricochet sticks around a little longer to win a rematch but it's smart to not hotshot him the belt right now. Pretty cool advertising the US appearances but I'm not 100% sure if the Japanese crowd would go apesh*t over that. Cool finish in a well-written match between Okada and Adam Cole. Smart to have the champion of the world not lose to a foreigner too. I don't know too much about Shibata but him beating Roderick Strong is a solid decision. Suzuki defeating Honma was cool. JapaneseCenaWinsLOL. Nah but Tanahashi beating Ishii was p sweet. Ishii is the NEVER champ, no? I'd like to see that belt mean a little bit. And the G1 finals; fantastic match and I dig the Nakamura victory. Diggin' the prospect of Nakamura/Okada headlining the Tokyo Dome show. Solid start buds.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 3, 2015 12:59:57 GMT -5
I didn't think he was in his seventies yet, but I always thought he looked old and beat up for his age.
Glad the surgery went well and all hopes toward a successful removal of the cancer.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 3, 2015 12:56:19 GMT -5
My first name + the first three letters of my last name, configured as a play on Tyler, the Creator.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 3, 2015 11:12:42 GMT -5
I dig the development of Cody Rhodes over the past number of weeks and putting him in the main event of SmackDown is a good step for him. Ambrose beating Dallas was fine and the post-match promo was sweet. Paige beating Natalya was solid. Fun little backstage segment between the Commonwealth and the New Day. Eight man tag was fun and well-written; I assume you're saving Barrett's win for the pay-per-view so Mizdow getting the win here was sweet. Reigns beating Titus quick was alright; I was more interested in the Heyman promo after which caught my attention. Ooh, nice backstage attack by Cesaro. The two are getting heated which is good for business. Huge win for Rhodes in the main event, even via distraction. I like that he actually hit the Cross Rhodes and it wasn't just a roll-up. Good SmackDown kid. We're still a little over a month away from Hell in a Cell but I have high hopes for it.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 2, 2015 21:18:03 GMT -5
apologies if this should be in classics. four years is on the brink I think.
So I'm watching Summerslam 2011 on the WWE Network and the Christian/Orton match is on. There was something about the video package that stuck with me--Christian did not look good at ALL despite being a 2x World Heavyweight Champion at the time. So to recap:
-- Edge announces his retirement due to injury eight days after Wrestlemania. He vacates the World Heavyweight Championship, which is won by Christian at Extreme Rules. Feel-good moment, the crowd loved it, great match, everything you want in a face's first (non ECW) World Title win, right? Well,
-- TWO DAYS LATER, on SmackDown (five days if tape delay doesn't exist), Christian allows Randy Orton to challenge for the title and Orton wins. Widely regarded around here as a bad booking decision, but in retrospect let's look at both sides of it. Sure Christian's first reign lasted less than a week, but maybe this means a development in Christian's character. Well,
--Randy Orton defeats Christian at Over the Limit to retain the World Heavyweight Championship. A good match, probably a smart booking decision because you don't want to keep hot-shotting the belt back and forth. Christian asks for one more match at Capitol Punishment, which, as a face, could mean he wins the belt and moves on to different things, right? Well,
--Randy Orton defeats Christian AGAIN at Capitol Punishment. Christian's foot was under the bottom rope while the pin was counted and disputed the match. Okay, one more match. He's got a reason for a rematch, the two have been doing well together, he's finally starting to show a little development in his character. This surely must be the time where Christian gets the belt back and moves on to bigger and better things, no? Well,
--Christian wins the World Title back at Money in the Bank...by disqualification. Hiding behind lawyers, Christian executed a clause in the match stating if Orton got disqualified, he'd lose the belt. This is where the decline is most noticeable. Yeah, he's champion again, but it's cheap. It feels tainted. Yes, he's a heel, yes heels could be cowardly and be champions. But it never felt right. It never felt genuine. Christian was being a whiny complainer and many fans, myself included, simply did not buy it as him and were not invested in this kind of character long-term. Not to mention he gets RKO'ed (twice) after the match, a start to a title reign that no one wants.
--Everything before the World Title match at Summerslam made Christian look bad. He jumped around and paraded the title like a nine-year-old, whined (and didn't even dine), and again, it wasn't genuine. Triple H said that he did not respect him anymore. He said the fans don't respect him anymore. Punk called him out on the microphone (the "and bitching" promo). Edge made an appearance at Summerslam to walk into the ring and call Christian a bitch. Orton wins the belt back.
So despite winning the World Heavyweight Championship twice and invigorating his character with a new persona, Christian came out of the summer of 2011 looking worse than he did going in. It was almost as if he wasn't meant to be in the main event. He looked pathetic, weak (in the sense that he couldn't win a match legitimately if his life depended on it), and EVERYONE from Triple H to Teddy Long outshone him on the microphone. It was a slap in the face for the people who were jumping up and down on May 1, 2011 when Christian unhooked the belt and originally won the title; the people who were saying "Yeah! I can't wait to see Christian as World Champion" quickly went "I can't wait until Christian is off my television screen!" which is terrible considering how consistently good of a performer Christian was and is. They coulda had him be the face that drops the belt to Mark Henry, fighting the likes of Sheamus and Barrett through the summer. They could have done a million different things with him after his first win, but a lot of the creativity was forced to stifle due to his loss two days later. His heel turn, sure was a throwback to whiny heel Christian of the early 2000s, but it was the early 2010s, a full decade later--the fans had a different opinion on Christian and we should've had a different bad guy persona. Even if you look at what Christian has done SINCE that No Holds Barred Match, he's been handled poorly.
--Losses to Sheamus at both Hell in a Cell and Vengeance. Gets hurt --Is heel as part of Big Johnny's injured heel stable at Elimination Chamber, only to return as a face at Over the Limit and win the IC belt from Cody Rhodes. Does nothing with the belt and loses it to Miz on Raw 1000. Hurts himself again --Comes back, has a few throwaway matches against the Shield. Loses Money in the Bank to Orton. By the graces of God becomes #1 Contender to Del Rio's belt but loses in a match no one expected him to win. Takes time off again --Qualifies for Elimination Chamber. Second dude eliminated. Suddenly turns heel again on Sheamus. Wins a match to challenge Big E for the IC Title but never received it due to concussion. Hasn't wrestled since.
Now I'm not saying his post-2011 career is 100% thanks to his wonky 2011, nor am I saying he wouldn't have had a multitude of nagging injuries if he just held the belt for more than a week. But once Edge retired, everyone was clamoring for Christian to take his spot in the main event scene and stay there for good. He had worked too hard as a midcarder and proved himself beyond a shadow of a doubt since coming back from a monster TNA run for him to just be thrown away. The closest we got to main event Christian was the Summerslam 2013 match with Del Rio but again, NO ONE expected him to be in the match, let alone win. I know we here have a laundry list of guys who have been mishandled or underutilized (let's be honest, no one's been "buried" like ever. Buried is going from the main event to off TV because of backstage politicking)--with some on the list legitimate, others could be disputed--but one that resonates most notably for me is the case of Christian and his run as the World Heavyweight Champion.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 2, 2015 18:32:41 GMT -5
Sheamus and Christian putting on a good opening contest for SD. Good ish with Ziggler coming out and saying that he wants the belt. Makes the title seem like something people want. Ambrose snuffing Fandango is solid. Is Roman Reigns actually Sting? Either way it paints a good picture. The no-DQ stip favors Del Rio because Rhodes has to worry about Goldust. Solid match that furthers the feud between the brothers, which is good. Hoss Bella winning was as expected; as long as she doesn't have a nine-year reign I'm all good. Should make for some solid matches between her and Paige on the way. I'm excited and intrigued on how you handle the tag titles with that match announced. It would be a good rub to the Usos if they retain but if Orton and Batista get the belts that could add prestige to them. It's a win/win as long as the match is competitive and something happens coming out of it. But you knew that already. Tong Po crush. Cena winning is smart and gives him momentum going into Summerslam. Another solid episode of SmackDown.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 2, 2015 7:12:44 GMT -5
Yes, Booker, I can dig that. Pretty cool opening tag match and the aftermath kills almost all the allegiances going into Night of Champions, which I like. Christian/Rollins is a match I wish we saw more of in real life and I'd be all for it here. Neville beating Ryback was solid, and with the losing streak I'm expecting a bigger year for Ryback in 2014. Fun backstage segment with the Awesome Entourage. I dig continuity both with Awesome Truth and how Miz can't get over Finn Balor. One of the things I most frequently lush over in this diary is all the music you introduce into it. Solid match with Rusev and Orton and it's good that AJ got an edge on him. Miz beating Truth was a fun little match. Oh boy, Paige is pissed. Unsanctioned match? Should be lit. Cool Reigns promo but I'm not expecting him to win diddly sh*t at Night of Champions. Steel Cage main event was balls to the wall. Awesome finish, an icing on the cake to a fun SmackDown.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 2, 2015 6:51:05 GMT -5
Mack/Cage was one of the most fun matches to watch this year anywhere.
The Trios tag was really cool. Angelico's dive was crazy. I wish the titles didn't change hands but p cool match.
Believer's Backlash was really fun. Hernandez took a beating. Great show altogether.
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