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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 23:21:43 GMT -5
Look brother! Don't get on Chris Henry for his personal life.. His personal life was his own business.. Like I said.. A rough road to redemption.. No one said his personal problems were easy.. But they are just that my friend.. Personal.. You're probably one of those guys that foams at the mouth everytime something else comes out about Tiger Woods' personal life.. But anyways.. Dr. HULK.. How was Mr. Hogan doing when he was taking those downers with the pistol in his hand? Or how about Mr. Hogans son that can't seem to stop wrapping himself around a tree in his fast cars? Or how about that time he tried to discuss a reality TV show in jail with his son Nick about his "road to redemption"? Or how about that nasty divorce? Don't throw stones in your glass house BROTHER.. Everyone has personal issues.. Some worse than others.. Don't point fingers.. Brother.. Feel free to search all of my posts. I do have a few of them. Do find where I defended anything Hogan has done in his personal life. Seriously. Anything. You will find that I have clearly criticized Hogan for being a backstage politician, using steroids, holding other guys down, etc.... Before you accuse me of something, do your homework. Chris Henry was no saint. That's a fact. Am I sorry he's dead? Sure. It's a tragedy anytime someone dies that young. Do I feel that it's a huge loss of a great role model and pillar of society? No, I don't. The guy has a rap sheet as long as my arm and obviously had not changed his ways. It's sad anytime someone that talented (and you have to be pretty talented to play in the NFL in the first place) throws all their talent away because they can't conquer their personal demons. Don't make him out like he was Mother Theresa. He wasn't. The guy died in a failed attempt to beat the crap out of his fiancee. Is it known for an absolute fact he went to beat the crap out of her?
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Post by Word™ on Dec 17, 2009 23:30:49 GMT -5
Chris Henry has a long history of stupid, violent crimes. This is another example and it cost him his life this time. Stop putting him on a pedestal. He was a poopty football player and he did a lot of stupid poop that could've cost other, innocent people THEIR lives. I'm not saying "It's good that he's dead," but this isn't some terrible tragedy. I can put him on a pedestal, I can put him in my signature.. I can do anything I wanna do to remember him.. If he was such a "poopty" football player.. Where has that passing game for Cincy gone? I mean without a 6'4'' threat on the outside that can spread the field.. It's been no walk in the park for Palmer.. When I think of Chris Henry, I'm not thinking about him going to jail, or him banging on the hood of a truck.. I look at his catch back in 2005 in the playoffs.. I look at what he did for the team, in the game.. I'm looking at the positive.. Because everyone else wants to point out the negative.. And yes he could've cost innocent people their lives.. But he didn't.. A death is a tragedy.. Unless he went out with guns a blazin'.. Sudden death to a young human being is tragic.. Sooo.. Roll your eyes somewhere else.. Life isn't easy when you have demons my friend.. lmao at you bringing a wrestler in his signature into the discussion about Henry. Didn't realize I couldn't do that.. I should be ashamed.. How dare I.. ..... Feel free to search all of my posts. I do have a few of them. Do find where I defended anything Hogan has done in his personal life. Seriously. Anything. You will find that I have clearly criticized Hogan for being a backstage politician, using steroids, holding other guys down, etc.... Before you accuse me of something, do your homework. Chris Henry was no saint. That's a fact. Am I sorry he's dead? Sure. It's a tragedy anytime someone dies that young. Do I feel that it's a huge loss of a great role model and pillar of society? No, I don't. The guy has a rap sheet as long as my arm and obviously had not changed his ways. It's sad anytime someone that talented (and you have to be pretty talented to play in the NFL in the first place) throws all their talent away because they can't conquer their personal demons. Don't make him out like he was Mother Theresa. He wasn't. The guy died in a failed attempt to beat the crap out of his fiancee. It's not that important to me to do my homework.. I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents about Chris Henry.. You made a comment about every Bengal being arrested.. My response to you was "Carson Palmer".. Other than that.. Your response after mine stired the pot.. No, he was not a saint.. He was no role model.. He was no Mother Theresa..(Whom OD'd in the back of Stewies car) But he did mean alot to the Cincinnati Bengals and the fans that supported that team.. Some people on that team during the great jailhouse round up of 2005-2006 never changed.. Or even attempted to change.. (Odell Thurman).. But Henry did.. Of course he still had his demons, his personal problems in life.. But he attempted to make it better.. Relapse on the road to recovery can be fatal.. We all see that..
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 18, 2009 8:53:56 GMT -5
Feel free to search all of my posts. I do have a few of them. Do find where I defended anything Hogan has done in his personal life. Seriously. Anything. You will find that I have clearly criticized Hogan for being a backstage politician, using steroids, holding other guys down, etc.... Before you accuse me of something, do your homework. Chris Henry was no saint. That's a fact. Am I sorry he's dead? Sure. It's a tragedy anytime someone dies that young. Do I feel that it's a huge loss of a great role model and pillar of society? No, I don't. The guy has a rap sheet as long as my arm and obviously had not changed his ways. It's sad anytime someone that talented (and you have to be pretty talented to play in the NFL in the first place) throws all their talent away because they can't conquer their personal demons. Don't make him out like he was Mother Theresa. He wasn't. The guy died in a failed attempt to beat the crap out of his fiancee. Is it known for an absolute fact he went to beat the poop out of her? Generally speaking when you're trying to smash your way into your girlfriend's moving car it's not so you can have a civil discussion with her.
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Post by Gene on Dec 18, 2009 10:08:55 GMT -5
Is it known for an absolute fact he went to beat the poop out of her? Generally speaking when you're trying to smash your way into your girlfriend's moving car it's not so you can have a civil discussion with her. They are lacking such intelligence they probably think he was just trying to show his love. But lets not worry her face would have recovered, the only thing that matters here is that he did a great catch in 2004.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Dec 18, 2009 11:19:38 GMT -5
Is it known for an absolute fact he went to beat the poop out of her? Generally speaking when you're trying to smash your way into your girlfriend's moving car it's not so you can have a civil discussion with her. Did anyone ever stop to think hey maybe since the stupid bitch didn't stop when he climbed in maybe JUST MAYBE he was trying to get in so he didn't end up falling out? I guess that would be to logical. Also while he may not be the perfect role model i think he could in some ways be a role model for teens that are headed down the wrong path knowing they can turn it around and be something and it doesn't mean b/c you got in trouble a couple times in your past your whole future is ed. Chris Henry had his life back on track and was headed for success in the NFL, even more then he already had and he tragically died. It is sad that bungholes can remember him for the good he did or the great football player he really was but instead of some petty crap he did and turned around, but i guess i wouldn't expect much more from people.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 18, 2009 11:29:35 GMT -5
I can put him on a pedestal, I can put him in my signature.. I can do anything I wanna do to remember him.. If he was such a "poopty" football player.. Where has that passing game for Cincy gone? I mean without a 6'4'' threat on the outside that can spread the field.. It's been no walk in the park for Palmer.. He had 12 receptions in 8 games, kid. He wasn't an integral part of their offense. Stop it. Sooo.. Roll your eyes somewhere else.. Life isn't easy when you have demons my friend.. It was all self-induced, "my friend." Did anyone ever stop to think hey maybe since the stupid bitch didn't stop when he climbed in maybe JUST MAYBE he was trying to get in so he didn't end up falling out? I guess that would be to logical. I guess she physically forced him into hopping into the back of the truck in the first place? C'mon man. Let's use our brain here for a minute. We all know what was going on.
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Post by Gene on Dec 18, 2009 12:05:10 GMT -5
Generally speaking when you're trying to smash your way into your girlfriend's moving car it's not so you can have a civil discussion with her. Did anyone ever stop to think hey maybe since the stupid bitch didn't stop when he climbed in maybe JUST MAYBE he was trying to get in so he didn't end up falling out? I guess that would be to logical. Also while he may not be the perfect role model i think he could in some ways be a role model for teens that are headed down the wrong path knowing they can turn it around and be something and it doesn't mean b/c you got in trouble a couple times in your past your whole future is ed. Chris Henry had his life back on track and was headed for success in the NFL, even more then he already had and he tragically died. It is sad that bungholes can remember him for the good he did or the great football player he really was but instead of some petty poop he did and turned around, but i guess i wouldn't expect much more from people. Maybe the "stupid bitch" was scared of the intellectually- disabled person trying to smash his way into the car.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 18, 2009 14:11:43 GMT -5
Generally speaking when you're trying to smash your way into your girlfriend's moving car it's not so you can have a civil discussion with her. Did anyone ever stop to think hey maybe since the stupid bitch didn't stop when he climbed in maybe JUST MAYBE he was trying to get in so he didn't end up falling out? I guess that would be to logical. Also while he may not be the perfect role model i think he could in some ways be a role model for teens that are headed down the wrong path knowing they can turn it around and be something and it doesn't mean b/c you got in trouble a couple times in your past your whole future is ed. Chris Henry had his life back on track and was headed for success in the NFL, even more then he already had and he tragically died. It is sad that bungholes can remember him for the good he did or the great football player he really was but instead of some petty poop he did and turned around, but i guess i wouldn't expect much more from people. Let's look at your scenario. He gets into some argument with his fiancee. Fine. Stuff like that happens all the time to every couple. Fiancee gets ticked and gets in the car to leave. Again, nothing out of the ordinary. She starts leave. Rather than let her leave, Henry jumps into the back of the pickup. Does this sound like a sane action to you? She takes off because she's got this angry man in the bed of her truck. He pounds on the glass to get in and somehow falls out. Again, it's his fault for jumping in the bed of the pickup in the first place. I find it very sad that people are willing to overlook every character flaw and bad behavior in the world as long as someone is a good athlete.
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Post by katphishjake on Dec 18, 2009 14:16:49 GMT -5
you can argue all you want about his reputation and how it preceeded him, but my biggest feeling of remorse comes for his three children he left behind, and the fact that he was only 26. i understand personal demons and struggles more than alot of people as i've went through my own, so anytime i hear a "feel good" story i take special interest in it. part of it probably comes from my Bengals bias as well and the fact that not even a month ago i caught a special on Fox Sports Network about him, his family and how he had been working to turn things around including his re-signing with the Bengals a year after he was cut.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Dec 18, 2009 15:40:19 GMT -5
If she was so scared why didn't she just call the cops? I'm not overlooking the fact he had a criminal past but people wanna make it out like he is the worst guy in the world. He made some mistakes. Does he regret them? I'm sure he did everyday. Did he do what he had to to turn his life around? Sure did.What people are saying is once you get arrested or do something wrong your labeled a bad guy your whole life.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Dec 18, 2009 15:41:40 GMT -5
Okay look.....this was supposed to be a rememberance thread, of sorts, and pretty much all I've seen are people tearing Chris down, and s**tting on his life, and even though he turned his life around, you all are still bringing up his past. And trying to insinuate that you all know FOR FACT what happened.
The fact is this....NONE OF US KNOW WHAT WENT DOWN! No one, not even the police. They can only speculate like we can. All of you who are saying "Oh he was beating on her window. He was trying to SMASH his way into her truck." Do you know that for fact? NO! I'm leaning towards what Young Money said, and maybe he was trying to get into the truck so he didn't fall out. And she was driving like a f***ing moron, and slung him out of the truck. Unless there is concrete proof that he was going kill her or physically harm her, she could be in for a world of trouble. If I were Chris' family, I'd sue that stupid bitch. Yes, that is a point out to Young Money and his description of her too, as I feel she was totally wrong in this case.
...and truthfully, he was the one with the money, it was probably HIS truck, and she was stealing the damn thing. And he wanted it back.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 18, 2009 16:18:06 GMT -5
Let's say he was beating on the window because he was trying to get in and was afraid he would fall out. Why was he in the bed of the truck in the first place?
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Post by spreedom8 on Dec 18, 2009 16:38:57 GMT -5
The fact is this....NONE OF US KNOW WHAT WENT DOWN! No one, not even the police. Fair enough. Wow. Just wow.
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Post by carly1988 on Dec 18, 2009 16:39:50 GMT -5
Im sorry that he died but the guy was neither A)A great citizen (before or "after" he "changed" his ways or B) a great wide receiver. Sorry but I cannot and will not defend someone who has a large criminal record and CLEARLY had not changed his ways if he was in domestic dispute CHASING his fiance and BEATING on a car window. If Im in the bed of a truck and realize, well Im ed now, I dont stand up and start being on the window like a madman, you lay down in the back and when the truck stops you get out.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Dec 18, 2009 17:09:15 GMT -5
Let's say he was beating on the window because he was trying to get in and was afraid he would fall out. Why was he in the bed of the truck in the first place? No one knows that. I don't know, you don't know, the cops don't know, his wife don't know. I was watchign a judge show today and the girls bf took her cell phone and she jumped threw the window to get it back. Maybe she took his cell phone? Also the women as my man Jimmy said was driving crazy is true since they found tire marks on the lawn.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 18, 2009 17:16:30 GMT -5
Is jumping through a window to get a cell phone back appropriate? Is jumping in the back of a pickup after having a dispute with the driver ever appropriate? No and no.
It's a tragedy that the guy died as such a young age and in such a manner, but I don't feel sorry for him. He brought it on himself by his bad decisions.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 18, 2009 17:38:18 GMT -5
Every time someone dies that is famous, people glorify them into saints. C4 didnt know Chris Henry, so stop defending him like he was family, he wasnt a good person, sure he was trying to get better, but obviously it wasnt working. Just because he was a Bengal, a team you root for, doesnt mean he was a good person.
Jimmy 3 Tears, the kid who constantly misses the point on all topics wants Chris's family to sue the woman who is going to have raise Chris's 3 kids, essentially....his own family, not to mention called her a stupid bitch, even though a paragraph before, said no one knows what happened.
Just amazing
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Post by Word™ on Dec 18, 2009 18:45:10 GMT -5
He had 12 receptions in 8 games, kid. He wasn't an integral part of their offense. Stop it. It was all self-induced, "my friend." He was tho.. It's not what he caught.. It's what he brought to the field.. Go look at the other catches by other receivers this year.. Go see how many catches by other wide-outs were made when Henry had double coverage.. Chris Henry was a threat on the field.. Boomer, TJ, Cris, Keyshawn, and Ditka agreed with that at the beginning of the season.. Annd self-induced.. Seriously? I'm sorry.. I forgot I was talking to the almighty Kilquid.. Someone that is so perfect like you.. I'm sure you never "self-induced" a problem in your life, only to regret it.. Every time someone dies that is famous, people glorify them into saints. C4 didnt know Chris Henry, so stop defending him like he was family, he wasnt a good person, sure he was trying to get better, but obviously it wasnt working. Just because he was a Bengal, a team you root for, doesnt mean he was a good person. I know I don't honor every dead person.. Didn't care about Billy Mays, or Farrah.. Patrick Swayze.. I didn't defend Sean Taylor.. It was tragic of course.. All of the deaths.. But I didn't make the star of "Dirty Dancing" look like a saint.. In this case tho I will honor Chris Henry.. Because I can, as a Bengals fan, as a Chris Henry fan.. And no.. I did not know him.. But the times I came in contact with him.. Actually met him.. Training camp in Georgetown, KY.. Seeing him at a bar in Cincinnati.. He was one of the nicest guys on the team.. He loved the fans. And did not mind one bit to take a picture, sign an autograph.. Or talk about Pacman in TNA.. You guys can say whatever you want about Chris Henry.. The fact is some people out there gave a damn about him.. And it was great to see him doing better in life.. Sadly on his road to redemption.. He had something bad happen.. Call it a relapse, call it being a douchebag, a big meanie, call it the same ole' Chris.. Whatever.. I call it a tragedy.. Because he had a good heart in him.. And atleast he was putting forth an effort to change.. And when someone has demons.. Self induced mistakes or not.. Sometimes that's all you can ask for.. An attempt..
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Dec 18, 2009 19:07:41 GMT -5
He had 12 receptions in 8 games, kid. He wasn't an integral part of their offense. Stop it. It was all self-induced, "my friend." He was tho.. It's not what he caught.. It's what he brought to the field.. Go look at the other catches by other receivers this year.. Go see how many catches by other wide-outs were made when Henry had double coverage.. Chris Henry was a threat on the field.. Boomer, TJ, Cris, Keyshawn, and Ditka agreed with that at the beginning of the season.. Annd self-induced.. Seriously? I'm sorry.. I forgot I was talking to the almighty Kilquid.. Someone that is so perfect like you.. I'm sure you never "self-induced" a problem in your life, only to regret it.. Every time someone dies that is famous, people glorify them into saints. C4 didnt know Chris Henry, so stop defending him like he was family, he wasnt a good person, sure he was trying to get better, but obviously it wasnt working. Just because he was a Bengal, a team you root for, doesnt mean he was a good person. I know I don't honor every dead person.. Didn't care about Billy Mays, or Farrah.. Patrick Swayze.. I didn't defend Sean Taylor.. It was tragic of course.. All of the deaths.. But I didn't make the star of "Dirty Dancing" look like a saint.. In this case tho I will honor Chris Henry.. Because I can, as a Bengals fan, as a Chris Henry fan.. And no.. I did not know him.. But the times I came in contact with him.. Actually met him.. Training camp in Georgetown, KY.. Seeing him at a bar in Cincinnati.. He was one of the nicest guys on the team.. He loved the fans. And did not mind one bit to take a picture, sign an autograph.. Or talk about Pacman in TNA.. You guys can say whatever you want about Chris Henry.. The fact is some people out there gave a damn about him.. And it was great to see him doing better in life.. Sadly on his road to redemption.. He had something bad happen.. Call it a relapse, call it being a douchebag, a big meanie, call it the same ole' Chris.. Whatever.. I call it a tragedy.. Because he had a good heart in him.. And atleast he was putting forth an effort to change.. And when someone has demons.. Self induced mistakes or not.. Sometimes that's all you can ask for.. An attempt.. I gotta agree with it. People only know what they hear about a guy. Everyone thinks Ocho Cinco is a stuck up ass who is all about himself and w/e else. You should really see how much crap he does for the fans. ANd Dr. Hulk u really think when your mad u stop to think about stuff? Lets be serious here.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 18, 2009 19:15:03 GMT -5
You know, you're the same kind of people who like to talk about Chris Benoit like he was a saint. Conversation goes like this:
You: Benoit was a great guy. Me: Umm, didn't he kill his family? You: Yeah, but he was a multiple time champion in the WWE. Everyone loved him. Me: Didn't he like, strangle his wife then spend a whole day with his kid in the house with his dead wife before strangling the kid too? You: Well, we don't know for sure what happened. We weren't there you know. Me: Doesn't all the evidence point to the conclusion that he strangled his wife and kid and then killed himself. You: Maybe, but he was a great athlete, a great wrestler and a great role model who loved his family. Me: The same family he killed? You: You're missing my point.
Look, Henry had a long rap sheet. Henry died after a domestic dispute where he fell out of a moving truck. No one forced him into that truck. He chose to get in there after arguing with his fiancee. He died because he did not address his character issues. He's not a role model. That's the facts. His death is tragic, but he's not a role model.
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