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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2008 1:09:01 GMT -5
The difference? Edge busted his ass for a long time, is a veteran, and actually shows wrestling ability in the ring. Cena... not so much. Don't forget that Edge does it in different ways, he's entertaining and he can win cleanly and cheating, and has very good angles. Except for the Vickie Guerrero/Undertaker angle which has been going on for about a year....
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Post by Sims on Nov 25, 2008 1:11:56 GMT -5
I love how Cena wins the belt and everyone bitch and complains but when Edge wins it like he always does everyone is so happy. The difference? Edge busted his ass for a long time, is a veteran, and actually shows wrestling ability in the ring. Cena... not so much. Don't think JC had a choice on how fast he came up. What is he suppose to say "No Vince,I don't want to piss off all the junkies that take this too seriously I;ll just pass on having the millions of admiring fans and all the money that comes with it oh and becoming a mega star in the entertainment world.but thats no excuse for his mediocre ring skills.
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Post by AndyPeck13 on Nov 25, 2008 1:25:42 GMT -5
Don't forget that Edge does it in different ways, he's entertaining and he can win cleanly and cheating, and has very good angles. Except for the Vickie Guerrero/Undertaker angle which has been going on for about a year.... that doesn't mean it isn't good...i miss the days when fueds went for a long periods of time and would take up almost a whole year.. and this year we got two feuds that went for a decent amount of time... i say kudos to WWE for that...
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Post by Triple S on Nov 25, 2008 1:30:20 GMT -5
This whole thing with Cena and Edge ( as it's been pointed out ):
Edge has in-ring talent, simply put. He can work a match and is OVER with fans because of how great of a wrestler he is, not because he comes out and claims "I WRESTLE FOR THE WWE UNIVERSE!" or "THESE PEOPLE ARE THE REASON I LIVE!" blah blah blah. Edge is a heel for crying out loud, took out Hardy ( a MAJOR face ) and still got one of the biggest pops of the night... not only when his music hit, but when he WON the WWE Championship. Whys that you ask? Because people notice his TALENT. Not his terrible acting skills in movies, or his ability to take steriods ( thats not a proven fact ), not his ability to throw free merchandise in the crowd, or even his ability to wear these DISGRACES that the WWE call a "shirt design".
Thats another thing that irks me about Cena. Cena should know he sucks as a wrestler and is only a good "entertainer". His new shirt is a complete and utter disgrace to the AWA, a huge stepping stone in the wrestling business. I just wish Shawn Michaels would've slapped Cena across the face for wearing a stupid shirt like that.
And I can't help but laugh as this "chrishustle" bafoon calling us "internet geeks"... dude, your on a forum about PLASTIC TOYS! Your just as much of a geek as any of us, so shut it. Plus, this is a message board. It's MADE to opinions. Wether they be positive or negative, it's a place to discuss/rant/debate... just not argue or fight.
So kudos to sean, for making this thread. I hope to see more of these "I hate Cena" threads once again! Haha.
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Post by Get A Rhythm™ on Nov 25, 2008 1:52:38 GMT -5
Get over it.
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Post by AdamBomb on Nov 25, 2008 1:58:56 GMT -5
The difference? Edge busted his ass for a long time, is a veteran, and actually shows wrestling ability in the ring. Cena... not so much. Don't think JC had a choice on how fast he came up. What is he suppose to say "No Vince,I don't want to piss off all the junkies that take this too seriously I;ll just pass on having the millions of admiring fans and all the money that comes with it oh and becoming a mega star in the entertainment world.but thats no excuse for his mediocre ring skills. I get your point, but mine was about respect from the fans. Cena basically came right out of training and got a contract - he's only been wrestling, (and I'm including the training as such) for eight years, SIX of those years spent with WWE. Not with developmental, with WWE. I'm not holding that against Cena, he got to where he is because of his attitude and dedication, in fact, like I've said time and time again, I respect the HELL out of the man. But as a wrestler, who is barely decent in the ring, and has had a VERY short career... I don't like that it took a lot of other guys (who are LIGHT YEARS ahead of Cena in the talent department) years busting their asses and paying their dues to get that one shot that he basically got, right away. That's why it's different for a guy like Edge to win, and the fans go nuts. He ing deserves it for all he's put into his WHOLE career, not just getting a contract and being right there at the top of the wrestling world. P.S. - Edge, also totally reeks of awesomeness.... Cena, nah.
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Post by Triple S on Nov 25, 2008 1:59:59 GMT -5
It's replies like this that make me laugh. Really? You honestly wanna tell me if Jericho beat down on Cena, withoout Cena getting one single move of offense in and made Cena look like the biggest bitch in the WWE... you wouldn't be ticked? Seriously... find a wrestler to worship, that can actually ya know... WRESTLE. - Triple S
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Post by mattoriginal on Nov 25, 2008 2:13:07 GMT -5
I love how Cena wins the belt and everyone bitch and complains but when Edge wins it like he always does everyone is so happy. The difference? Edge busted his ass for a long time, is a veteran, and actually shows wrestling ability in the ring. Cena... not so much. I love Edge and all, but you can not say Cena has not given this buisness his all. Cena brought wrestling from laughing stocking of the entire world, to something that is accepted by mainstream audiences. Edge, sadly, not so much. In my opinion they both deserve the belts more than Triple H and Batista, who are boring and uninteresting, especially since everyone expect Triple H to do good in his match with Kozlov, but didn't do crap. I'm not Cena's biggest fan, nor am I a gigantic critic, but people should lay off him. People who hate Cena know, because its cool, should have gotten on the bandwagon back when it was relevant back in 06.
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Post by fdamage: Elite Trader on Nov 25, 2008 2:16:51 GMT -5
Edge > all
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Post by Sandy on Nov 25, 2008 2:21:41 GMT -5
my god you people complain about anything and everything.
If you don't like the product then don't watch it. And please don't use the ridiculous arguement "well we used to like it and we just hope that it goes back to how it used to be"...It isn't GOING TO GO BACK....EVERYTHING EVOLVES. THE ATTITUDE ERA IS OVER. Get over it please.
I actually enjoyed RAW. You can tell WWE is really trying to step it up by putting more talent on TV. Setting up some fueds that I think will be absolutely classic (Regal and Punk) and also showcasing that not all the divas are useless (Melina, Mickie, and Beth Phoenix)
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Post by George Harrison on Nov 25, 2008 2:27:55 GMT -5
PEOPLE ARE JUST TIRED OF CENA BEEN SHOVED DOWN THEIR THORATS ...simple
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Post by Sandy on Nov 25, 2008 2:28:20 GMT -5
Also, all you people on Edges sack....
What is so great about the guy? Seriously. I see more Edge sigs than any other wrestler.
More than HBK, Jericho, and Undertaker. Who are all leaps and bounds better than Edge. Is it cool to be on the Edge bandwagon? I must have missed the memo. Give it a year and you will all be saying how much you hate Edge and how he is boring and blah blah blah.
The only reason Edge is even noticed is because of those damn TLC matches in which he was the least notable wrestler in the match. Christian, Matt and Jeff(maybe not the Dudleys) were all the showstoppers in that match. Not Edge.
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Post by mattoriginal on Nov 25, 2008 2:33:59 GMT -5
PEOPLE ARE JUST TIRED OF CENA BEEN SHOVED DOWN THEIR THORATS ...simple How many times has Cena held the title in the past year....hm..? Once...
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Post by George Harrison on Nov 25, 2008 2:35:28 GMT -5
PEOPLE ARE JUST TIRED OF CENA BEEN SHOVED DOWN THEIR THORATS ...simple How many times has Cena held the title in the past year....hm..? Once... not only that the whole hyping of the guy . they should have called the ppv cena's return
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Post by George Harrison on Nov 25, 2008 2:39:31 GMT -5
Also, all you people on Edges sack.... What is so great about the guy? Seriously. I see more Edge sigs than any other wrestler. More than HBK, Jericho, and Undertaker. Who are all leaps and bounds better than Edge. Is it cool to be on the Edge bandwagon? I must have missed the memo. Give it a year and you will all be saying how much you hate Edge and how he is boring and blah blah blah. The only reason Edge is even noticed is because of those damn TLC matches in which he was the least notable wrestler in the match. Christian, Matt and Jeff(maybe not the Dudleys) were all the showstoppers in that match. Not Edge. please watch edge from 2001-2004, then make a judgment. edge is not my fav wrestler my fav wrestlers are backlund and flair but i will defend edge over cena when guys like austin where main eventing shows, edge was opening them or doing dark matches. it did not take him two years to become champ. and oh please dont pull the lesnar factor ,lesnar is a HELL OF A WRESTLER. better than both edge and cena
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Post by AdamBomb on Nov 25, 2008 2:40:42 GMT -5
Also, all you people on Edges sack.... What is so great about the guy? Seriously. I see more Edge sigs than any other wrestler. More than HBK, Jericho, and Undertaker. Who are all leaps and bounds better than Edge. Is it cool to be on the Edge bandwagon? I must have missed the memo. Give it a year and you will all be saying how much you hate Edge and how he is boring and blah blah blah. The only reason Edge is even noticed is because of those damn TLC matches in which he was the least notable wrestler in the match. Christian, Matt and Jeff(maybe not the Dudleys) were all the showstoppers in that match. Not Edge. 1. He came back last night, SURPRISE! He won. Hence everyone being high on him and jumping on a bandwagon. Just like Jericho winning, Punk winning. 2. Of course the new will wear off and everyone will be tired of Edge, it's WF for Christsake, few people like or dislike wrestlers based on their own opinions and tastes anyway, it's usually all about the current trend. 3. Edge has a personality, doesn't appear lost in promos, can wrestle and adapt nearly any style with his opponents, and is a damn good worker - that's why he's respected and people genuinely like him. He's found his character and can crank the holy crap out of it, and do it BELIEVABLY. If you want to point the finger at anyone being noticed for spots and TLC matches, go look at Jeff Hardy.
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Post by Triple S on Nov 25, 2008 2:56:15 GMT -5
Also, all you people on Edges sack.... What is so great about the guy? Seriously. I see more Edge sigs than any other wrestler. More than HBK, Jericho, and Undertaker. Who are all leaps and bounds better than Edge. Is it cool to be on the Edge bandwagon? I must have missed the memo. Give it a year and you will all be saying how much you hate Edge and how he is boring and blah blah blah. The only reason Edge is even noticed is because of those damn TLC matches in which he was the least notable wrestler in the match. Christian, Matt and Jeff(maybe not the Dudleys) were all the showstoppers in that match. Not Edge. This post alone shows how little you must know about wrestling and being a "showstopper". First off, Edge is great because people like The Undertaker and Shawn Michaels have been people's favorites for years, but it's coming around that time when they need to hang up the boots and most likely both will within the next 5 years. Edge ( and Hardy, Jericho, etc. ) have been in the business for YEARS. We're talking 10+ and have done A LOT for the company. If you actually read this entire thing, PLEASE point out something that is incorrect. I beg of you.Edge was a mid-card nobody when the Brood started. He then made his way being the most favorited out of the 3. Then Edge & Christian broke away from Gangrel and had a run as babyfaces... WITHOUT a manager/mouthpiece for them. From there, No Mercy Ladder match. That match alone, turned all 4 of those guys from lower mid-carders into upper mid-carders. It also took Ladder matches to another level. Edge and Jeff Hardy were the TWO MOST NOTICEABLE and MEMORABLE guys in the Dudley/Hardy/E&C fued. Edge then did the mid-carder run for YEARS, becoming one of ( if not the ) WWE's biggest babyfaces. He got hurt and WWE gave him a chance when he returned to be THE main mid-card face on RAW, which he did with Orton and ending Orton's AWESOME Intercontinental Championship reign. Edge then turned heel again, after MANY years of being a face. Something pretty shocking and it worked great. He turned heel by screwing the biggest babyface in the company out of the World Heavyweight Championship match that the fans VOTED him into... Shawn Michaels. They fueded at the Rumble and was one of the better fueds from that year. Edge cemented his spot in the RAW main event after that and fans HATED him, but still noticed how great of a worker he is/was. He wasn't one of THE main eventers on RAW, but was still booked into big storylines. Each and every time, he impressed fans and bookers ( obviously ). Fast forward to WrestleMania 21, Edge ( like Hardy ) had busted his ass for years and his big break cam that night. The first ever Money in the Bank winner. Fast forward to New Year's Revolution 2005... Cena is already starting to be hated by most of the WWE fans. Tired of the "Superman", "overcomes the odds" ways of Cena ( not the person, but the "character" ). Edge cashes in... and I don't care what anyone says, NOBODY knew that was going to happen. People may have just thrown the idea out there as a "predicition", but there was no reason to believe it was going to happen THAT night. Anyways, Edge ends the headache of John Cena's first WWE Championship reign that almost lasted a year straight. All of the people that were tired of Cena being shoved down their throats became immediate Edgeheads and the people that already disliked Cena and loved Edge ( like myself ), became even BIGGER Edgeheads. The "Rated R Superstar" was born and it was/is a great small gimmick. From there, I can honestly say this... John Cena and Edge had the greatest fued of 2006, hands down! With the slapping of Cena's dad, to matches they had... all the way to the TLC match in Toronto... that fued was booked to perfection. At that time, I only hated Cena because I loved Edge. Now, I still disliked Cena... but he wasn't being completely shoved down our throats, it was a back and forth fued. Edge then formed "Rated RKO" with Orton, 2 of the WWE's bright and shining heels at the time. Anyways, moves over to SmackDown! and blah blah blah... the rest is obvious history. "Part II: The Jeff Hardy outlook" is next... because i'm bored and feel like typing, haha.- Triple S
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Post by Sandy on Nov 25, 2008 3:17:16 GMT -5
wow.
You really love Edge. Good for you man. Just be prepared for a lot of typing when people on this forum turn on Edge.
It happened to Austin, Hogan, HHH, Jericho, HBK, Jeff Hardy and Cena. Edge will be next, mark my words.
"Edge and Jeff Hardy were the TWO MOST NOTICEABLE and MEMORABLE guys in the Dudley/Hardy/E&C fued"
Sorry...Christian and Jeff easily had the best performances out of all those matches. But that is my opinion. Edge is your favorite wrestler so I am sure you will disagree with me.
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Post by Triple S on Nov 25, 2008 3:32:34 GMT -5
Now, Jeff Hardy's is very similar to Edge's except a few things.
Now, i'm a HUGE Hardy mark. I'll admit, it's the look of these guys ( Hardys, Shannon Moore, etc. ) that get my attention. However, I will not be biased in this review.
Hardy has been in the WWE quite a bit longer than Edge, obviously, since he was working as a jobber with Razor, etc. Rather than breaking Hardy's down like I did Edge's, i'll just point out the differences that still impacted Hardy's career.
Unlike Hardy, Edge has always been an all-around better wrestler then Jeff Hardy... and probably still is today. But Hardy took that "HBK high risk manuvers" to another level, which again... we all know. I can admit, most of Hardy's career he was nothing but a spot monkey pretty much. But it got him over. When I was younger ( late 90's ) and the Hardyz were getting those big pushes as a tag team, I knew they weren't the best wrestlers... but damn what they did in that ring was revolutionary and entertaining at the same time. Which is why Triple H was my favorite "wrestler", but the Hardyz were just "my favorites". I mean you'd go to school the next morning and talk to your friends about pay-per-views. And one I specifically remember: WrestleMania 2000. Kids weren't going into school saying "Did you see D'Lo and The Godfather BOTH dressed as pimps?" or "Did you see Foley smack his head off of the table?" No, everyone was talking about the Triple Threat Ladder match and Hardy's Swanton off the top of the ladder... the easily stole the show ( maybe with Angle/Benoit/Jericho ) giving them a run for their money. But as a 12 year old kid, I didn't understand how great of wrestlers Angle, Benoit or Jericho were ( as I do now ), but I remembered Hardy making you freak out at the things he/they did in the ring. Anyways, Hardy was always a mid-carder... so theres no need to break down the majority of his career. Hardy gets high, paints himself ( a lot, haha ) and ends up "losing his drive for the business". Hardy then turns up in TNA, which got me starting to watch TNA for the first time. I didn't get the pay-per-views because we didn't have a box, so when TNA was one Comcast at 3pm, i'd catch most of it after school. We'll skip the rest of this, since it's Hardy not wanting to wrestle and it showed. Fast forward to 2006... Hardy returns and his fueds with Nitro and Orton over the Intercontinental Championship showed that not only has he gotten his "drive" back, but his in-ring skills improved A LOT. Still as a mid-carder, Hardy stole the show in most of his pay-per-view appearances. December to Dismember: the worst pay-per-view in history... yet Matt, Jeff, Nitro and Mercury together is the only good match throught the entire night. Jeff ( and Matt, as well )... 2 guys that busted their asses to get to mid-card status, but rather than being satisifed with that... the continue ( still today ) to bust their asses to make it to the top. Hardy then gets his chance at Armageddon against Triple H. "No way Hunter is gonna put Hardy over"... boom! Hardy beats Triple H in the match of the night. Those 2 went out and put on a hell of a match, which boosted Hardy into main event status. Loses to Orton at the Rumble, rightfully so and is set to get the push of a lifetime... but he screws it up. Theres no denying it, Hardy was being given his big break and he couldn't take it ( for whatever reason ). I and many others think Punk was given Hardy's spot and push for WrestleMania. Anyways, he comes back and works his way up again. Great, small fueds with Umaga and MVP. Hardy then gets another chance ( that he's yet to blow... **knock on wood** ) and here he is now... a main eventeron SmackDown! with the likes of Triple H, The Undertaker, Big Show and Edge. People that he took beatings for as a jobber/mid-carder.
An honestly, I love how Taker and Triple H most likely won't be in the spotlight... at least for a month or 2. SmackDown!'s main event fued in interesting and exciting, while RAW's is predictable and disappointing.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Nov 25, 2008 3:43:27 GMT -5
Everyone complains about Cena being back and being the champ. The same can be said for Edge. Yes Cena being champ again is annoying, but I've learned to deal with it. I'm actually interested in Cena/Batista for Wrestlemania (that looks like where they're headed). And what a stellar match that would be... I mean, we all know how good it was the first time around, so why not have it again on the biggest card of the year...Yeah, um, no ing thank you. Seriously, if that match is the main event of WrestleMania 25, then I won't ing order it, just because I know it'll ing suck from start to finish.
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