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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Dec 18, 2008 2:32:34 GMT -5
German's can claim whatever they want. They knew what he was doing and honestly I doubt if many of them didn't agree due to the historical fact that Jews were causing some major problems in the German economy. Not saying killing them was right, but can't blame some Germans for being pretty damn mad at them. That is false. The German economic crisis was created by the British and French, Jewish citizens were merely used as scapegoats by Hitler. The thing was, while in his early campaigns, he built up a support base the same way Obama did. "Do you think things suck?" Yeah! "Do you think we need change?" Yeah! "Elect me and I'll fix it." OK Then when he got elected into German parliament, he made things better, and he was like "I made things better, but now I am going to fix everything by killing the Jews." ANd the Germans were like, "OK". Now, though I voted Obama, I am waiting for him to run on the platform of kill whitey for his second term. I realize the squeeze that the British and French put on the German economy, but seriously do you think that some of the Jewish economists couldn't forsee what was happening. Please. They are not that stupid. "From the prosperity of the empire during the Wilhelmine era (1890-1914), Germany plunged into World War I, a war it was to lose and one that spawned many of the economic crises that would destroy the successor Weimar Republic. British economist John Maynard Keynes denounced the 1919 Treaty of Versailles as ruinous to German and global prosperity. The war and the treaty were followed by the Great Inflation of the early 1920s that wreaked havoc on Germany's social structure and political stability. During that inflation, the value of the nation's currency, the Papiermark, collapsed from 8.9 per US$1 in 1918 to 4.2 trillion per US$1 by November 1923. Then, after a brief period of prosperity during the mid-1920s, came the Great Depression, which destroyed what remained of the German middle class and paved the way for the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler." Not saying that all Jews but I still say that clearly you couldn't deny that with Jews pretty much controlling many banks within Europe alone, they had some inside knowledge of what could have, and was, happening.
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Post by Mizz Lola on Dec 18, 2008 2:36:36 GMT -5
Ummm... All Communism is derived from the communist manifesto, as it was written by the guy who created communism, the German Karl Marx. However, every regime who has implemented it claimed to be using the communist manifesto as a guide, however they have all failed miserably at it. Just because all communism is derived from the communist manifesto doesn't mean they are the same systems. Um...no. All Communist political systems took their ideologies from the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital. Both books were written by Karl Marx. You should really read them instead of arguing with someone who I am pretty sure from his posts has read at least the Communist Manifesto. No matter which system you look at all leaders took their ideas from Marx and Engels. You can easily compare Stalin to Mao to Ho Chi Minh.
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Dec 18, 2008 2:38:27 GMT -5
As could all of the Christians who run the banks here during both the great depression and the current recession according to your logic.
But your statement makes it sound as though the Jews controlled the vast majority of the banks in Germany, thereby causing Germany's economic collapse, which is a fallacious argument, as well as borderline racist.
I mean, in effect by saying the Jewish bankers created the situation which fanned the fires of the Holocaust, you my good sir just told the rape victim she was asking for it wearing that low-cut blouse.
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Post by Mizz Lola on Dec 18, 2008 2:44:23 GMT -5
That is false. The German economic crisis was created by the British and French, Jewish citizens were merely used as scapegoats by Hitler. The thing was, while in his early campaigns, he built up a support base the same way Obama did. "Do you think things suck?" Yeah! "Do you think we need change?" Yeah! "Elect me and I'll fix it." OK Then when he got elected into German parliament, he made things better, and he was like "I made things better, but now I am going to fix everything by killing the Jews." ANd the Germans were like, "OK". Now, though I voted Obama, I am waiting for him to run on the platform of kill whitey for his second term. I realize the squeeze that the British and French put on the German economy, but seriously do you think that some of the Jewish economists couldn't forsee what was happening. Please. They are not that stupid. "From the prosperity of the empire during the Wilhelmine era (1890-1914), Germany plunged into World War I, a war it was to lose and one that spawned many of the economic crises that would destroy the successor Weimar Republic. British economist John Maynard Keynes denounced the 1919 Treaty of Versailles as ruinous to German and global prosperity. The war and the treaty were followed by the Great Inflation of the early 1920s that wreaked havoc on Germany's social structure and political stability. During that inflation, the value of the nation's currency, the Papiermark, collapsed from 8.9 per US$1 in 1918 to 4.2 trillion per US$1 by November 1923. Then, after a brief period of prosperity during the mid-1920s, came the Great Depression, which destroyed what remained of the German middle class and paved the way for the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler." Not saying that all Jews but I still say that clearly you couldn't deny that with Jews pretty much controlling many banks within Europe alone, they had some inside knowledge of what could have, and was, happening. It still was not the Jews fault for the depression. If the Germans rationally planned this out they would have went after the Triple Entente for forcing them to pay out and take full and total blame for WWI. On and side note if I see Keynes name one more time before the end of the year I may cry a little.
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Dec 18, 2008 13:36:59 GMT -5
That is false. The German economic crisis was created by the British and French, Jewish citizens were merely used as scapegoats by Hitler. The thing was, while in his early campaigns, he built up a support base the same way Obama did. "Do you think things suck?" Yeah! "Do you think we need change?" Yeah! "Elect me and I'll fix it." OK Then when he got elected into German parliament, he made things better, and he was like "I made things better, but now I am going to fix everything by killing the Jews." ANd the Germans were like, "OK". Now, though I voted Obama, I am waiting for him to run on the platform of kill whitey for his second term. I realize the squeeze that the British and French put on the German economy, but seriously do you think that some of the Jewish economists couldn't forsee what was happening. Please. They are not that stupid. "From the prosperity of the empire during the Wilhelmine era (1890-1914), Germany plunged into World War I, a war it was to lose and one that spawned many of the economic crises that would destroy the successor Weimar Republic. British economist John Maynard Keynes denounced the 1919 Treaty of Versailles as ruinous to German and global prosperity. The war and the treaty were followed by the Great Inflation of the early 1920s that wreaked havoc on Germany's social structure and political stability. During that inflation, the value of the nation's currency, the Papiermark, collapsed from 8.9 per US$1 in 1918 to 4.2 trillion per US$1 by November 1923. Then, after a brief period of prosperity during the mid-1920s, came the Great Depression, which destroyed what remained of the German middle class and paved the way for the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler." Not saying that all Jews but I still say that clearly you couldn't deny that with Jews pretty much controlling many banks within Europe alone, they had some inside knowledge of what could have, and was, happening. Also, as a side note the Great Inflation directly corresponds with the Allied mistreatment, and then there was prosperity, caused by the financial people getting there stuff together, but then the WORLD economy collapsed, undoing all the hard work. So to paraphrase using your own quote as a guideline, the Allies screwed the Germans, the Jews tried to bail them out, but then the Christians screwed everything up. That's it, I am running on a platform of kill all the Christians, who needs them anyway? Answer, the lions [/sarcasm]
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 18, 2008 14:40:13 GMT -5
You are incorrect. Ford put the assembly line in because using it he could make more cars at less cost than his competitors. This allowed him to flood the market with automobiles that were considerably cheaper than his competitors which gave Ford a huge gigantic market share for a while. Do you really think Ray Kroc or Sam Walton (who pioneered the big box retailor) got in to business to lose money?? Bill Gates was not the first person that IBM went to. The other companies they presented their idea (that they could put a computer in every household) turned them down as they didn't see the idea as practical at all and didn't see any money in it. All of these guys were motivated by making making money and their inventions and innovations changed the way the world operates. All of them still put risk into what they were doing. They could very well have failed. Do you not see that? I am not disagreeing however there is greed in this country. None of the people you used in your example were greedy. Football guy saying he won't play for less than 20 mil. That's greedy. You're right. They did all take risk. They could've all failed miserably and fallen flat on their faces. Why did they take the risk though? Because they were motivated by the prospect of lining their pockets with cash. That sounds like greed to me.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Dec 18, 2008 16:02:20 GMT -5
Yep, you are correct ma'am. But that is not a uniquely American problem. The Germans claimed they did not know Hitler's intention when they elected him, but he wrote a book called Mein Kampf, and it's pretty detailed and thorough in its plan. Most Germans disliked the Jewish stuff, they just wanted his plans for the economy mostly. Side Note: Under every headline of the official Nazi paper it said "The Jews Are Our Misfortune." Side Note 2: Hitler and Health Care really work together.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Dec 18, 2008 16:03:29 GMT -5
All in all this conversation/debate is totally pointless because it happened how long ago? And anyone barely under 30 should care why? Why don't you talk about something more recent like say Rwanda or even Darfur, why in the blue hell are you ppl talking about something that wasn't even our generation...god damn. So all history should be forgotten, and we shouldn't learn from our mistakes? Oh, and guys, basically: America said no reparations. Brits didn't really care, we only got like 1% anyway. French were pretty pissed at Germany. The Germans were actually ed by the American loans from the Dawes and Young plans. The loans were to pay reparations over the thirties, but after the economies of the world (Minus Russia) were destroyed, we forgot all about reparations but the USA hounded the Germans over their loans. We only finished our WWII war debt to you guys in 2005.
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Post by Keyboard Cat on Dec 18, 2008 16:35:14 GMT -5
Wow. This has turned into one wacky ass thread about who's worse to something about Communism to why Hitler hated that Jew's about. I'm surprised this hasn't been locked yet
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Post by Stinger TNA on Dec 18, 2008 16:38:24 GMT -5
Hitler was a great talker/salesperson, just not the best leader.
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Post by Keyboard Cat on Dec 18, 2008 16:49:17 GMT -5
Hitler was a great talker/salesperson, just not the best leader. Add Guitar Hero to that list
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Post by Angel Beast on Dec 18, 2008 19:15:17 GMT -5
Hitler was a great talker/salesperson, just not the best leader. and a good painter
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Dec 18, 2008 19:35:18 GMT -5
All in all this conversation/debate is totally pointless because it happened how long ago? And anyone barely under 30 should care why? Why don't you talk about something more recent like say Rwanda or even Darfur, why in the blue hell are you ppl talking about something that wasn't even our generation...god damn. So all history should be forgotten, and we shouldn't learn from our mistakes? Oh, and guys, basically: America said no reparations. Brits didn't really care, we only got like 1% anyway. French were pretty pissed at Germany. The Germans were actually ed by the American loans from the Dawes and Young plans. The loans were to pay reparations over the thirties, but after the economies of the world (Minus Russia) were destroyed, we forgot all about reparations but the USA hounded the Germans over their loans. We only finished our WWII war debt to you guys in 2005. Actually, Regan wiped your slate clean, so you must be thinking of another debt. Regan officially declared in the eighties all debts from WWII null and void. Also, Britain and France did demand huge reparations, and the Global Economy collapsed before we started trying to get our loan repaid, So Germany was already hurting.
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Post by Mizz Lola on Dec 18, 2008 19:39:44 GMT -5
All of them still put risk into what they were doing. They could very well have failed. Do you not see that? I am not disagreeing however there is greed in this country. None of the people you used in your example were greedy. Football guy saying he won't play for less than 20 mil. That's greedy. You're right. They did all take risk. They could've all failed miserably and fallen flat on their faces. Why did they take the risk though? Because they were motivated by the prospect of lining their pockets with cash. That sounds like greed to me. Eh...Bill Gates does a lot with his money so I'm not really sure he is greedy
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Post by Codesters on Dec 18, 2008 19:44:42 GMT -5
Hitler was a great talker/salesperson, just not the best leader. and a good painter I actually saw on the news a while ago that one of his paintings was just sold for many millions of dollars.
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Post by wwe4ever on Dec 18, 2008 20:30:50 GMT -5
Hitler actually did a ton of good for Germany, it's just that all the ed up stuff he did sorta out weighed it. I agree Nick. Nobody looks at the good things he did such as making the economy better, creating a great amry who conquered many countries. People seem to think of him as a bad leader because of all of the Jews he killed.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 18, 2008 21:23:28 GMT -5
Hitler actually did a ton of good for Germany, it's just that all the ed up stuff he did sorta out weighed it. I agree Nick. Nobody looks at the good things he did such as making the economy better, creating a great amry who conquered many countries. People seem to think of him as a bad leader because of all of the Jews he killed. You're saying then that we should admire him despite the whole genocide thing?
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Post by Mizz Lola on Dec 18, 2008 21:37:35 GMT -5
I agree Nick. Nobody looks at the good things he did such as making the economy better, creating a great amry who conquered many countries. People seem to think of him as a bad leader because of all of the Jews he killed. You're saying then that we should admire him despite the whole genocide thing? No they want to admire the cool mustache, kind of kooky paranoid Hitler....cuz you know it's a totally different guy .... Oh and apparently they enjoy his herendous artwork...
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Dec 18, 2008 22:03:05 GMT -5
You're saying then that we should admire him despite the whole genocide thing? No they want to admire the cool mustache, kind of kooky paranoid Hitler....cuz you know it's a totally different guy .... Oh and apparently they enjoy his herendous artwork... His post-card replications are to die for. But seriously, here is hitler's greatest contribution to the world. That's right, Hitler drew the initial sketshes for the Beetle.
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Post by Mizz Lola on Dec 18, 2008 22:09:50 GMT -5
No they want to admire the cool mustache, kind of kooky paranoid Hitler....cuz you know it's a totally different guy .... Oh and apparently they enjoy his herendous artwork... His post-card replications are to die for. But seriously, here is hitler's greatest contribution to the world. That's right, Hitler drew the initial sketshes for the Beetle. OMG my husband told me a funny story about the Beetle and some dumbass at his job. It goes like this: Dude starts talking about his interest in getting a little red Beetle for his wife. My husband and this other guy start telling him about Hitler. Dude asks who Hitler was. Kris (my husband) says "He was the Nazi leader during World War II" and the dude says "Werd...World War II...that war between the states right?" and my husband just looks at him and says "WORLD...." and walks away...
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