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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on May 6, 2009 0:17:03 GMT -5
To answer the question and skip the bullcrap about him being like a hero to me and all that nonsense, as the biggest Liddell fan on the boards, I would like to see Chuck call time on his career right now. He didn't look good against Rua. I just made myself watch the entire fight again, against my own will, and it wasn't pretty. To me, Chuck looked slow, unsure of everything he threw, and he was beaten by a younger, better fighter. The Chuck Liddell that performed in that fight wasn't the guy I'd seen fight for my entire life as an MMA fan. Hell, it wasn't the guy that just fought Rashad if you ask me. It seemed that his skills had deteriorated immensely since his previous fight, just 7 months prior. Age will do that, though, and it does not forgive.
I would like Chuck to retire because, honestly, I can't bear to see him lose again.
(Please give a reason for your vote, make this interesting.)
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Post by goalie on May 6, 2009 0:23:13 GMT -5
Shogun killed him he's lost four of his last five fights. Yes he should hang it up.
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Post by Bozwell634™ on May 6, 2009 0:28:58 GMT -5
In my heart i wanna see him fight his last fight and hope he can win.
But just not sure, if he can.
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Post by Almost Like Flacco on May 6, 2009 1:00:59 GMT -5
If he was still in old "Iceman" form, then I would definitely want him to round out his contract. But, he is far from that, so go ahead and hang up the gloves now.
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Post by Sandy on May 6, 2009 1:22:01 GMT -5
the problem is...is that WAS THE CHUCK LIDDELL THAT EVERYONE ADORED FOR YEARS...
Chuck just used to have the benefit of having a chin and being able to hang in there with Kevin Randleman, Vitor Belfort, and Vernon White(yes Vernon cracked Liddell)...
but once Chuck won the title he didn't face any real devastating strikers. He faced Tito Ortiz twice, Randy Couture three times, Babalu twice, and Jeremy Horn.
Then he tried to avenge his last remaining loss...which would be to Rampage. From there on out Chuck would not get a break as far as facing devastating strikers. He faced Rampage, Jardine, Wanderlei, Rashad, and Shogun...that is pretty f***ed up for Chuck. He beat Wanderlei because Wanderlei was too stubborn to actually formulate a gameplan against Chuck..he instead decided to go out and have a brawl.
Chuck hasn't changed or slowed down or anything..He fights exactly the same. Thats the problem though he fights EXACTLY the same as years ago.
But I am still confident that Chuck could beat some decent names in the LHW division that aren't strikers..maybe some jiu-jitsu guys or strictly wrestlers.
I hate to see any legend of the sport go out on a loss so I would say let Chuck fight one more time if he wants it though. Let him know how irrelevant he truly will be in the mind of everyone if he loses another fight, start the comparisons of Ken Shamrock, do whatever it takes to get it through his head that if he loses one more it will truly hurt him..and if he decides to fight one more time I say let him.
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Post by axemurderer on May 6, 2009 6:32:14 GMT -5
fight your last fight..collect your 500k....hang em up win or lose
its time for him to go before he ruins his legacy.
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Post by moogie101 on May 6, 2009 7:59:57 GMT -5
To be fair his KO losses have been to Rashad, Shogun & Rampage all top guys in the division.
The Jardine loss was a close fight & Keith can be a handfull in a fight if gets past the first minute!
Mir was being advised to retire about a year & a half ago after some very poor performances, I'd imagine he's kinda happy he ignored those calls
However I don't want him to fight some can just to finish off his contract & get a win only to see him lose & substain more damage.
Plus with Chuck it appears his chin has gone & if so there is not a lot he can do about that, he's had an incredible career & I hope he does nothing to tarnish that.
The only thing I can see happening is if Randy loses to Nog I can see a weight drop & then a fourth Liddell/Randy fight billing it as a Legends match.
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Post by Bob Sapp on May 6, 2009 11:48:36 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about Liddell's career. I think it should be Liddell's decision only on what he does.
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Post by Kliquid on May 6, 2009 11:56:45 GMT -5
fight your last fight..collect your 500k....hang em up win or lose Agreed, if he's going to get paid like he's still a top-5 fighter, he should continue to go out there and do it -- the money he's making is pretty damn good. |
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Post by Mr. Orange on May 6, 2009 15:18:48 GMT -5
I'm in the middle. I think he should retire, but I don't want him to.
Getting beat in 4 out of your last 5 fights isn't good any way you look at it. It seems like that iron jaw, or what we thought was like iron, has been cracked over the years. With all do respect to Ken Shamrock, if he keeps fighting he might be headed down that road of being labeled "Not a huge threat". If he fights again and gets knocked out like he has been, the result might not be good for his health. For that I want him to retire.
But at the same time, he should be entitled to have that last fight on his contract. I don't think Dana can legally keep a fighter from fighting in his company unless he fires him. Chuck's not fired and still has one contracted fight left so let him have that last fight or fire him. Then he'd probably go to Affliction or Strikeforce and fight there.
Chuck's and Hackleman's views (in a recent MMAMania article) are that he wasn't being dominated in any of them (except Jardine where he "lost by a point"), and they're all elite fighters so let him keep going. Hackleman pointed out Randy's situation after UFC 57 and said he came back and won a belt. He felt Chuck should get the same chance.
I'm really on the fence with this. Retirement is a big decision. No one should make that decision for Liddell but Liddell himself. I want to see him fight and win again, but I don't want to see him risk his health and lose again either. Its a bitter pill for me to swallow, but I think maybe its best for him to call it a career.
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Post by The Mac on May 6, 2009 15:19:11 GMT -5
I think Shogun beating Chuck was a good way to put Shogun up the rankins but I woud like to see Liddell in one last fight!
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Post by Mr. Orange on May 6, 2009 15:20:12 GMT -5
fight your last fight..collect your 500k....hang em up win or lose Agreed, if he's going to get paid like he's still a top-5 fighter, he should continue to go out there and do it -- the money he's making is pretty damn good. Yeah I think so:  |
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on May 6, 2009 18:09:24 GMT -5
the problem is...is that WAS THE CHUCK LIDDELL THAT EVERYONE ADORED FOR YEARS... Chuck just used to have the benefit of having a chin and being able to hang in there with Kevin Randleman, Vitor Belfort, and Vernon White(yes Vernon cracked Liddell)... but once Chuck won the title he didn't face any real devastating strikers. He faced Tito Ortiz twice, Randy Couture three times, Babalu twice, and Jeremy Horn. Then he tried to avenge his last remaining loss...which would be to Rampage. From there on out Chuck would not get a break as far as facing devastating strikers. He faced Rampage, Jardine, Wanderlei, Rashad, and Shogun...that is pretty f***ed up for Chuck. He beat Wanderlei because Wanderlei was too stubborn to actually formulate a gameplan against Chuck..he instead decided to go out and have a brawl. Chuck hasn't changed or slowed down or anything..He fights exactly the same. Thats the problem though he fights EXACTLY the same as years ago. But I am still confident that Chuck could beat some decent names in the LHW division that aren't strikers..maybe some jiu-jitsu guys or strictly wrestlers. I hate to see any legend of the sport go out on a loss so I would say let Chuck fight one more time if he wants it though. Let him know how irrelevant he truly will be in the mind of everyone if he loses another fight, start the comparisons of Ken Shamrock, do whatever it takes to get it through his head that if he loses one more it will truly hurt him..and if he decides to fight one more time I say let him. I'm sorry, but if you really think that was the same Chuck in the Octagon, you either need to watch the fight again or take the hater glasses off. Dude, I'm a MASSIVE fan. Do you know how much it sucks just admitting that he looked slow and out of his league? I wouldn't say it if I didn't feel it. I have seen literally every Liddell fight there has been, and not one of them featured the guy that faced off with Rua on April 18th. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on May 6, 2009 18:17:20 GMT -5
the problem is...is that WAS THE CHUCK LIDDELL THAT EVERYONE ADORED FOR YEARS... Chuck just used to have the benefit of having a chin and being able to hang in there with Kevin Randleman, Vitor Belfort, and Vernon White(yes Vernon cracked Liddell)... but once Chuck won the title he didn't face any real devastating strikers. He faced Tito Ortiz twice, Randy Couture three times, Babalu twice, and Jeremy Horn. Then he tried to avenge his last remaining loss...which would be to Rampage. From there on out Chuck would not get a break as far as facing devastating strikers. He faced Rampage, Jardine, Wanderlei, Rashad, and Shogun...that is pretty f***ed up for Chuck. He beat Wanderlei because Wanderlei was too stubborn to actually formulate a gameplan against Chuck..he instead decided to go out and have a brawl. Chuck hasn't changed or slowed down or anything..He fights exactly the same. Thats the problem though he fights EXACTLY the same as years ago. But I am still confident that Chuck could beat some decent names in the LHW division that aren't strikers..maybe some jiu-jitsu guys or strictly wrestlers. I hate to see any legend of the sport go out on a loss so I would say let Chuck fight one more time if he wants it though. Let him know how irrelevant he truly will be in the mind of everyone if he loses another fight, start the comparisons of Ken Shamrock, do whatever it takes to get it through his head that if he loses one more it will truly hurt him..and if he decides to fight one more time I say let him. I'm sorry, but if you really think that was the same Chuck in the Octagon, you either need to watch the fight again or take the hater glasses off. Dude, I'm a MASSIVE fan. Do you know how much it sucks just admitting that he looked slow and out of his league? I wouldn't say it if I didn't feel it. I have seen literally every Liddell fight there has been, and not one of them featured the guy that faced off with Rua on April 18th. I say if Liddell fights again it should be at Heavyweight. He cuts to much weight then puts it back on which makes him slow. The HW division he would do farely well in because they are slower. It is when he gets to the upper guys where he would have a problem though with BJJ,Wrestling. But he would atleast have a punchers chance with them because they are slower. We'll see next year. When he comes back. After being an announcer for a few months. It will be the same thing Couture did. Dana already offered it to him. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on May 6, 2009 18:18:30 GMT -5
Also Liddell makes over a Million per fight. Not 500K.
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Post by Kliquid on May 6, 2009 19:00:41 GMT -5
Also Liddell makes over a Million per fight. Not 500K. I would let Rampage punch me in the face once every couple months if I got a million dollars a pop. |
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Post by Sandy on May 6, 2009 20:48:05 GMT -5
the problem is...is that WAS THE CHUCK LIDDELL THAT EVERYONE ADORED FOR YEARS... Chuck just used to have the benefit of having a chin and being able to hang in there with Kevin Randleman, Vitor Belfort, and Vernon White(yes Vernon cracked Liddell)... but once Chuck won the title he didn't face any real devastating strikers. He faced Tito Ortiz twice, Randy Couture three times, Babalu twice, and Jeremy Horn. Then he tried to avenge his last remaining loss...which would be to Rampage. From there on out Chuck would not get a break as far as facing devastating strikers. He faced Rampage, Jardine, Wanderlei, Rashad, and Shogun...that is pretty f***ed up for Chuck. He beat Wanderlei because Wanderlei was too stubborn to actually formulate a gameplan against Chuck..he instead decided to go out and have a brawl. Chuck hasn't changed or slowed down or anything..He fights exactly the same. Thats the problem though he fights EXACTLY the same as years ago. But I am still confident that Chuck could beat some decent names in the LHW division that aren't strikers..maybe some jiu-jitsu guys or strictly wrestlers. I hate to see any legend of the sport go out on a loss so I would say let Chuck fight one more time if he wants it though. Let him know how irrelevant he truly will be in the mind of everyone if he loses another fight, start the comparisons of Ken Shamrock, do whatever it takes to get it through his head that if he loses one more it will truly hurt him..and if he decides to fight one more time I say let him. I'm sorry, but if you really think that was the same Chuck in the Octagon, you either need to watch the fight again or take the hater glasses off. Dude, I'm a MASSIVE fan. Do you know how much it sucks just admitting that he looked slow and out of his league? I wouldn't say it if I didn't feel it. I have seen literally every Liddell fight there has been, and not one of them featured the guy that faced off with Rua on April 18th. I too have watched every Liddell fight. Liddell looked the same to me. He did look a little slow but nothing drastic to where I think it hindered his performance. He looked more nervous than anything IMO. I'm not a hater. I have been saying for months while everyone else has been saying he should retire that I think he should move up to HW because I think he would do pretty well in that division. I don't think he is done. People say he is done because he got beat by guys who are all top 5 LHW's. He may not be the top dog anymore but who cares he can still beat some decent names. Move him up to HW see how he does. If Randy loses to Nog than why not have Liddell vs. Couture IV to finish off both mens careers. Would anyone mind seeing that? I doubt it. Everyone understands the history behind both fighters and the respect they both have for each other. |
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on May 9, 2009 9:28:18 GMT -5
I like Liddell but with his record in the past 6 or so fights I say just hang it up
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Post by ZT on May 10, 2009 20:12:07 GMT -5
its time for him to go before he ruins his legacy. Too late. |
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Post by Sam Hain on May 10, 2009 21:47:41 GMT -5
I'd like to see him lose one more first.
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