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Post by carly1988 on Jan 2, 2010 12:43:47 GMT -5
100% correct. Congrats to the referees of the Capital One bowl. You effectively HANDED the game to PSU. Not to mention the BS phantom pass interference call on PSU's last drive. Love the haters ;D And I thought I told you two all year not to root against Penn State...when will you guys learn Maybe Miles shoulda managed the clock a little better, again! instead of using all his timeouts with over two minutes left to play. Even after the personal foul call, LSU had 14 seconds to spike the ball, throw an out or something down field to get the first and stop the clock. Miles, like the Ole miss game mis-managed his team to that loss and Penn State was the better team anyway ;D That is all Taking for ever on the hail mary play made no sense but it was over by that point anyway. It was still a terrible call on the refs part. PSU fans, LSU fans and all the announcers have admitted it.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 2, 2010 15:22:38 GMT -5
Love the haters ;D And I thought I told you two all year not to root against Penn State...when will you guys learn Maybe Miles shoulda managed the clock a little better, again! instead of using all his timeouts with over two minutes left to play. Even after the personal foul call, LSU had 14 seconds to spike the ball, throw an out or something down field to get the first and stop the clock. Miles, like the Ole miss game mis-managed his team to that loss and Penn State was the better team anyway ;D That is all Taking for ever on the hail mary play made no sense but it was over by that point anyway. It was still a terrible call on the refs part. PSU fans, LSU fans and all the announcers have admitted it. Not this PSU fan. If you wanna get your guys back to the line of scrimmage, you pull your guy off the ground, not toss the opponent. Bowman was on top of an Lsu player and the LSU lineman grabbed Bowman and flung him off the other LSU player. That, intentional or not, is unsportsman like conduct. It's the same thing as pushing a player to the ground after the whistle. You may not have intended it maliciously but it's still unsportsmanlike. The LSU player didnt need to touch Bowman for any reason. If anyone shoulda touched Bowman, it shoulda been the LSU player that he was sitting on.
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 2, 2010 16:59:03 GMT -5
Taking for ever on the hail mary play made no sense but it was over by that point anyway. It was still a terrible call on the refs part. PSU fans, LSU fans and all the announcers have admitted it. Not this PSU fan. If you wanna get your guys back to the line of scrimmage, you pull your guy off the ground, not toss the opponent. Bowman was on top of an Lsu player and the LSU lineman grabbed Bowman and flung him off the other LSU player. That, intentional or not, is unsportsman like conduct. It's the same thing as pushing a player to the ground after the whistle. You may not have intended it maliciously but it's still unsportsmanlike. The LSU player didnt need to touch Bowman for any reason. If anyone shoulda touched Bowman, it shoulda been the LSU player that he was sitting on. The PSU player was laying on top of the LSU player though delaying the game. Its clearly either A)Delay of game or B) off setting Personal Fouls. You're not allowed to just lay around as the time ticks off the clock. The argument is that LSU could line up 10 players some of which were 30-40 yrds down field before a division 1 linebacker could pick himself off the ground. It was silly and can be argued that it cost LSU the game. The NCAA rules states you have to allow a player up to return to the line of scrimmage.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 2, 2010 18:23:52 GMT -5
Not this PSU fan. If you wanna get your guys back to the line of scrimmage, you pull your guy off the ground, not toss the opponent. Bowman was on top of an Lsu player and the LSU lineman grabbed Bowman and flung him off the other LSU player. That, intentional or not, is unsportsman like conduct. It's the same thing as pushing a player to the ground after the whistle. You may not have intended it maliciously but it's still unsportsmanlike. The LSU player didnt need to touch Bowman for any reason. If anyone shoulda touched Bowman, it shoulda been the LSU player that he was sitting on. The PSU player was laying on top of the LSU player though delaying the game. Its clearly either A)Delay of game or B) off setting Personal Fouls. You're not allowed to just lay around as the time ticks off the clock. The argument is that LSU could line up 10 players some of which were 30-40 yrds down field before a division 1 linebacker could pick himself off the ground. It was silly and can be argued that it cost LSU the game. The NCAA rules states you have to allow a player up to return to the line of scrimmage. It's a judgement call. If Navarro is holding the player down, then i can see the point. He was on top of another player, after being in a pile. Did he do it deliberately? Sure, but it happens all the time and is rarely called. The only time that is called is if it is blatant. The referee, didnt see it as such. But that's not what cost LSU the game if you are looking at this particular incident. What cost them the game is the fact that the LSU player stuck his nose in the refs business and manhandled an opponent. He never tried to " help" the guy up, he blatant threw Bowman. That was the linemans fault, and it'll get called everytime. He shoulda worried about getting his ass lined up and let the refs make whatever call they needed to make. Who knows, the refs very well may have called Bowman for delay of game, But LSU never gave them that chance. They lost the game themselves in that incident.
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Post by BV on Jan 2, 2010 18:42:35 GMT -5
Refs won Penn State the game, end of. If you want to argue it, argue it, just wasting yourself the time.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 2, 2010 19:03:12 GMT -5
Refs won Penn State the game, end of. If you want to argue it, argue it, just wasting yourself the time. I'll argue it ad nauseum. That call nor any call won the game for Penn state or lost the game for LSU. It's not my problem people always want to pick one particular play out as costing the game. People seem to forget LSU was winning 17-16. Did the refs cause LSU's defense not to stop Penn State from moving into field goal range? Did the refs cause LSU to waist nearly 20 seconds, after the personal foul call? Did the refs tell Les Miles to call a middle screen, In the field of play? Did the refs tell Les miles to use up all his timeouts before they got the ball back? Nobody wants to look at the other factors in the game. I guess it's easy for people to accept the loss if they think they have a legit rationale as to why they lost. Again, if the LSU player woulda picked up Bowman from the pile, which is often common, then people have a point. He tossed him to the side. Picking someone up and tossing them are two different things...why is that so damn hard to understand?
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Post by raabhimselffanv2 on Jan 2, 2010 19:22:59 GMT -5
Cant go back and fix the damn call. You guys lost the bowl game for DRAGGING the opposing team's players off. That is a penalty. Talk all the crap you want about "Omg, t3h Psyoooos got th3h cuz t3h Reefs!121!!" PSU won, LSU lost. Now go cry to Les Miles about it, not to Deskjet.
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Post by BV on Jan 2, 2010 19:29:21 GMT -5
Cant go back and fix the damn call. You guys lost the bowl game for DRAGGING the opposing team's players off. That is a penalty. Talk all the crap you want about "Omg, t3h Psyoooos got th3h cuz t3h Reefs!121!!" PSU won, LSU lost. Now go cry to Les Miles about it, not to Deskjet. You damn well know if LSU was in PSU's shoes, and PSU was in LSU's shoes, you would be complaining too.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 2, 2010 19:53:19 GMT -5
I swear only fans of PA teams have no sense of reality. Eagles fans, PSU fans and Phillies fans. Its so blinding.
LSU was screwed, bottom line. Penn State got a damn gift. They are an average football team, unable to compete with elite teams and unable to even compete with good teams. They play the biggest cup cake schedule around, hide in the Big 10 conference which is a joke of a conference and scream from the high heavens how great they are cuz they end seasons with 1 or 2 losses.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 2, 2010 21:36:37 GMT -5
I swear only fans of PA teams have no sense of reality. Eagles fans, PSU fans and Phillies fans. Its so blinding. LSU was screwed, bottom line. Penn State got a damn gift. They are an average football team, unable to compete with elite teams and unable to even compete with good teams. They play the biggest cup cake schedule around, hide in the Big 10 conference which is a joke of a conference and scream from the high heavens how great they are cuz they end seasons with 1 or 2 losses. I think you're the one that's blind here, bud. And please don't talk about some team being given a gift, mr. NY jets fan . And not all PA fans are like this. Sure we have a sense of loyalty to our team, what of it? But I tell you what, if the steelers dont make the playoffs Im not gonna whine about how the colts laid down. we made our bed and we gotta sleep in it. And, Let's look at who the B10 beat this year in bowls...LSU, Oregon, Miami...all teams that at one time were in the top 5. You talk about weak schedules and cupcake teams yet we've gone out this year and beat or hung with these "super" conferences like the SEC, Pac 10, etc. Moreover, everyone that has argued against PSU still has yet to answer why LSU couldnt stop PSU from scoring when they were ahead, why was there no penalty called when the LSU player blew up our center on the goaline? Had that been called and not the illegal procedure against Quarless, people woulda complained about that! And why did Les Miles use up his timeouts? And what was LSU doing in the first half when they only had 3 points? Was that all the refs fault too or should we blame it on the same field that PSU had to play on? The proof is in the pudding and the bottom line is, becasue people have personal ill feelings towards a team or state's teams, they cant get over the fact that a team wins a game by playing well when it counts not on one call. If LSU was so stinking great, they shoulda never been in this situation. And please dont argue that LSU is an average team when they nearly beat Florida and national title contender Alabama.
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 3, 2010 0:54:42 GMT -5
Im biased in the situation. I dont like PSU or LSU honestly. Im looking at it strictly from a college football fan standpoint. What the LSU lineman did wasnt right and by no means do I justify it but I cant justify laying on top of a guy while the ENTIRE TEAM has lined back up. Including wide receivers that were 20-30 yards down field. Even other people in that pile were lined up
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Post by Happy Pizza on Jan 3, 2010 1:04:03 GMT -5
Despite my allegiance to Penn State, I was sitting in front of the TV saying "You can't make that call". It was bad, but then again they missed an easy offsides call the drive before where an LSU player got away with a free haymaker to our center. You've got to step away and realize that this crap happens to every team at one point or another, but I must admit it feels good to have it go the other way. If you follow Penn State, you're used to getting your heart broken and getting the shaft from refs/voters.
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 3, 2010 1:10:29 GMT -5
Well in other news, I can no longer win this bowl pickems. Im 2 back from Nuttz and we only have 1 game different so looks like Imma fight for second place hopefully
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Jan 3, 2010 1:34:33 GMT -5
Well in other news, I can no longer win this bowl pickems. Im 2 back from Nuttz and we only have 1 game different so looks like Imma fight for second place hopefully You're 1 back with 2 different to go....
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 3, 2010 1:57:00 GMT -5
Well in other news, I can no longer win this bowl pickems. Im 2 back from Nuttz and we only have 1 game different so looks like Imma fight for second place hopefully You're 1 back with 2 different to go.... I didnt hear no bell....Get up you son of a bitch...Cause Mickey Loves ya!!!
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Post by deskjet on Jan 3, 2010 9:12:46 GMT -5
BOWL WINNERS:
New Mexico: Wyoming St. Petersburg: Rutgers New Orleans: Middle Tenn. State. Las Vegas: BYU Poinsettia: Utah Hawaii: SMU Little Caesars: Marshall Meineke: Pittsburgh Emerald: USC Music City: Clemson Independence: Georgia EagleBank: UCLA Champs Sports: Wisconsin Humanitarian: Idaho Holiday: Nebraska Armed Forces: Air Force Texas: Navy Sun: Oklahoma Insight: Iowa State Chick-Fila: Virginia Tech Outback: Auburn Capital One: Penn State Gator: Florida State Sugar: Florida Rose: Ohio State International: South Florida PapaJohns.com: Connecticut Cotton: Mississippi Liberty: Arkansa Alamo: Texas Tech
Pick 'em standings:
G2: 17-13
D-Klein: 14-16
deskjet: 16-14
Alec Baldwin: 15-15
Nuttz: 18-12 *
STLHero: 15-15
CM Showstopper: 16-14
Dallas Cowboys and OU fan: 18-12 *
Angels4Life: 17-13
Cult member BrigGuy: 15-15
Wuffles: 13-17
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Post by Wuffles on Jan 3, 2010 9:58:28 GMT -5
Lol, I suck
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 3, 2010 17:21:40 GMT -5
I swear only fans of PA teams have no sense of reality. Eagles fans, PSU fans and Phillies fans. Its so blinding. LSU was screwed, bottom line. Penn State got a damn gift. They are an average football team, unable to compete with elite teams and unable to even compete with good teams. They play the biggest cup cake schedule around, hide in the Big 10 conference which is a joke of a conference and scream from the high heavens how great they are cuz they end seasons with 1 or 2 losses. I think you're the one that's blind here, bud. And please don't talk about some team being given a gift, mr. NY jets fan . And not all PA fans are like this. Sure we have a sense of loyalty to our team, what of it? But I tell you what, if the steelers dont make the playoffs Im not gonna whine about how the colts laid down. we made our bed and we gotta sleep in it. And, Let's look at who the B10 beat this year in bowls...LSU, Oregon, Miami...all teams that at one time were in the top 5. You talk about weak schedules and cupcake teams yet we've gone out this year and beat or hung with these "super" conferences like the SEC, Pac 10, etc. Moreover, everyone that has argued against PSU still has yet to answer why LSU couldnt stop PSU from scoring when they were ahead, why was there no penalty called when the LSU player blew up our center on the goaline? Had that been called and not the illegal procedure against Quarless, people woulda complained about that! And why did Les Miles use up his timeouts? And what was LSU doing in the first half when they only had 3 points? Was that all the refs fault too or should we blame it on the same field that PSU had to play on? The proof is in the pudding and the bottom line is, becasue people have personal ill feelings towards a team or state's teams, they cant get over the fact that a team wins a game by playing well when it counts not on one call. If LSU was so stinking great, they shoulda never been in this situation. And please dont argue that LSU is an average team when they nearly beat Florida and national title contender Alabama. Yes, the Jets got a gift. The difference is we got a gift b/c a team decided to rest its starters. Big difference then getting a blatant and biased call to help your team. The only reason you are pissed about that is cuz it hurt the Steelers, Mr. Lamar Woodley. LSU, Oregon, Miami......the only team that was really that good was Oregon. And outside of Ohio St. there are ZERO really good teams in the Big 10. LSU was on a down year and Miami is young. On another note, NEVER was Miami ranked in the top 5 this year. Dont know what game you've been watching. Hell......I'm not even sure if LSU was. LSU isnt all that great. If they were.....they would have won those games. In fact, they blew the damn Alabama game. As far as the predicament they were in for this bowl game.....you're right. Clearly, excellent teams dont get stuck in that situation. This is why LSU isnt an excellent team. There is one issue at hand and thats the piss poor BS call against LSU on their last drive. Whether or not they scored.....dont know. Probably, but who knows. I dont know why PA fans cannot just accept when their team loses or accept when they get a BS call that gift wrap-s them a win. They just refuse.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 3, 2010 18:10:34 GMT -5
I think you're the one that's blind here, bud. And please don't talk about some team being given a gift, mr. NY jets fan . And not all PA fans are like this. Sure we have a sense of loyalty to our team, what of it? But I tell you what, if the steelers dont make the playoffs Im not gonna whine about how the colts laid down. we made our bed and we gotta sleep in it. And, Let's look at who the B10 beat this year in bowls...LSU, Oregon, Miami...all teams that at one time were in the top 5. You talk about weak schedules and cupcake teams yet we've gone out this year and beat or hung with these "super" conferences like the SEC, Pac 10, etc. Moreover, everyone that has argued against PSU still has yet to answer why LSU couldnt stop PSU from scoring when they were ahead, why was there no penalty called when the LSU player blew up our center on the goaline? Had that been called and not the illegal procedure against Quarless, people woulda complained about that! And why did Les Miles use up his timeouts? And what was LSU doing in the first half when they only had 3 points? Was that all the refs fault too or should we blame it on the same field that PSU had to play on? The proof is in the pudding and the bottom line is, becasue people have personal ill feelings towards a team or state's teams, they cant get over the fact that a team wins a game by playing well when it counts not on one call. If LSU was so stinking great, they shoulda never been in this situation. And please dont argue that LSU is an average team when they nearly beat Florida and national title contender Alabama. Yes, the Jets got a gift. The difference is we got a gift b/c a team decided to rest its starters. Big difference then getting a blatant and biased call to help your team. The only reason you are pissed about that is cuz it hurt the Steelers, Mr. Lamar Woodley. LSU, Oregon, Miami......the only team that was really that good was Oregon. And outside of Ohio St. there are ZERO really good teams in the Big 10. LSU was on a down year and Miami is young. On another note, NEVER was Miami ranked in the top 5 this year. Dont know what game you've been watching. Hell......I'm not even sure if LSU was. LSU isnt all that great. If they were.....they would have won those games. In fact, they blew the damn Alabama game. As far as the predicament they were in for this bowl game.....you're right. Clearly, excellent teams dont get stuck in that situation. This is why LSU isnt an excellent team. There is one issue at hand and thats the piss poor BS call against LSU on their last drive. Whether or not they scored.....dont know. Probably, but who knows. I dont know why PA fans cannot just accept when their team loses or accept when they get a BS call that gift wrap-s them a win. They just refuse. First of all we're splitting hairs over who a good team is and who a bad team is...it's too subjective to argue. i mean the colts are a good team but they lost to the Jets...So are the jets a good team now? lol, no. But for the record, yes Miami was only as high as #9, LSU was at one time #3. And by the way, a gift is a gift. you can put it in any kinda flowery package you want to, but it's still a gift. Your hate towards PA teams has truly blinded you. Again, it had nothing to do with one call, and I suggest you look at how the LSU linemen "helped" Navarro up again. If you tried to pick your friend up off the ground the same way the LSU player did, he'd turn around and say WTF man? But again, it still doesnt explain why LSU only had 3 points in the first half, or why they ran 15 seconds off the clock after that play, or why they couldnt stop PSU when they were up 17-16. As I said, you want to look at one particular incident, when there was more then that involved. And the incident that is being argued about shouldn't even be an issue becasue for the umpteenth time, had the LSU player not flung navarro and just lined his ass up, the penalty woulda never happened. When's the last time you watched a football game and a player manhandles another player in front of a referree and it doesn't get called. And please stop generalizing every PA fan becasue of what you've experienced. Like I said, as a Steeler fan, im not gonna blame anyone but ourselves for not making the playoffs, if we dont. I'll be pissed about other teams but I'm not gonna say that they cost us the playoffs when in reality that;s not the case. Same situation with the LSU game, one incident did not cost LSU that game, and I think I've justified my points in that regard. ps-address me as someone other than mr. Lamar woodley...I luv the guy, but he's from Michigan and terrorized us( PSU). I've still not embraced him yet, although, today he made his way onto next years christmas list ;D
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 3, 2010 19:57:50 GMT -5
Yes, the Jets got a gift. The difference is we got a gift b/c a team decided to rest its starters. Big difference then getting a blatant and biased call to help your team. The only reason you are pissed about that is cuz it hurt the Steelers, Mr. Lamar Woodley. LSU, Oregon, Miami......the only team that was really that good was Oregon. And outside of Ohio St. there are ZERO really good teams in the Big 10. LSU was on a down year and Miami is young. On another note, NEVER was Miami ranked in the top 5 this year. Dont know what game you've been watching. Hell......I'm not even sure if LSU was. LSU isnt all that great. If they were.....they would have won those games. In fact, they blew the damn Alabama game. As far as the predicament they were in for this bowl game.....you're right. Clearly, excellent teams dont get stuck in that situation. This is why LSU isnt an excellent team. There is one issue at hand and thats the piss poor BS call against LSU on their last drive. Whether or not they scored.....dont know. Probably, but who knows. I dont know why PA fans cannot just accept when their team loses or accept when they get a BS call that gift wrap-s them a win. They just refuse. First of all we're splitting hairs over who a good team is and who a bad team is...it's too subjective to argue. i mean the colts are a good team but they lost to the Jets...So are the jets a good team now? lol, no. But for the record, yes Miami was only as high as #9, LSU was at one time #3. And by the way, a gift is a gift. you can put it in any kinda flowery package you want to, but it's still a gift. Your hate towards PA teams has truly blinded you. Again, it had nothing to do with one call, and I suggest you look at how the LSU linemen "helped" Navarro up again. If you tried to pick your friend up off the ground the same way the LSU player did, he'd turn around and say WTF man? But again, it still doesnt explain why LSU only had 3 points in the first half, or why they ran 15 seconds off the clock after that play, or why they couldnt stop PSU when they were up 17-16. As I said, you want to look at one particular incident, when there was more then that involved. And the incident that is being argued about shouldn't even be an issue becasue for the umpteenth time, had the LSU player not flung navarro and just lined his ass up, the penalty woulda never happened. When's the last time you watched a football game and a player manhandles another player in front of a referree and it doesn't get called. And please stop generalizing every PA fan becasue of what you've experienced. Like I said, as a Steeler fan, im not gonna blame anyone but ourselves for not making the playoffs, if we dont. I'll be pissed about other teams but I'm not gonna say that they cost us the playoffs when in reality that;s not the case. Same situation with the LSU game, one incident did not cost LSU that game, and I think I've justified my points in that regard. ps-address me as someone other than mr. Lamar woodley...I luv the guy, but he's from Michigan and terrorized us( PSU). I've still not embraced him yet, although, today he made his way onto next years christmas list ;D While the idea can be argued, there is no doubt on certain teams. And comparing the NFL and college football and why one team lost and one didnt is absurd. Colts arent playing in the Super Bowl. They were playing in a game that meant nothing towards their Super Bowl goal. If the Jets beat the Colts, full starters and all, then there could be some talk. But they didnt. Absurd. Now you want to argue whether the call was just?! PLEASE! You are the only person blinded by your homerism for PSU. Get off the soap box. This is exactly why I cant stand PSU. Its not cuz of Paterno or the players or b/c I dont like PA teams. Its because the fans of these teams are some of the most annoying homers I have ever encountered. No matter where in Philly I go for a sporting event, the fans are ridiculous. They behave badly and to the point that may not even be human. I know there are unruly fans in every sport in every stadium......but Philly is by far the worse I have ever encountered. And PSU fans are no different. When they win, its always about how great they are and how the voters and polls screw them. When they lose, its always about how someone screws them with a bad call or whatever. Stop the ing crying. Lamar Woodley.....stop the crying.
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