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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Dec 16, 2009 12:17:45 GMT -5
What's Obama playing at? 4% on 1990 levels? The EU pledged 20% reduction by 2020, and that's the best he can do?
He needs to lead at the front, but instead he's getting cold feet.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 16, 2009 12:34:04 GMT -5
Yeah. Blame Obama while China and India refuse to do anything.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Dec 16, 2009 13:24:30 GMT -5
Yeah. Blame Obama while China and India refuse to do anything. He needs to lead by example. If he wants them to do something then he has to do something aswell. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 16, 2009 14:05:59 GMT -5
Bullcrap. Obama could pledge to cut emissions by 50% and the Chinese and Indians wouldn't do jack.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Dec 16, 2009 17:16:29 GMT -5
I can't prove that they would and you can't prove that they wouldn't. However, we can both agree that there would be a better chance if Obama pleged to make a major cut. It would also be more beneficial than a Chinese or Indian cut, as the USA is still the world's #1 carbon emittor.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 16, 2009 17:40:46 GMT -5
No, I don't agree with that. I think what he's promising is crap and that he should promise more than that. I don't think China or India will necessarily change their behavior based on anything we do. It is going to harm our economy as it is to cut back on carbons. Does it need to be done? Sure. I'll go along with that, but there's going to be an economic price to be paid to do so. China has an interest in seeing that our economy suffers while it's economy does not.
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