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Post by King of Kings on Jan 30, 2010 15:20:47 GMT -5
Well I am a fan of TNA, at the same time I find it funny that the ones saying Jericho is wrong are the ones with TNA sigs. True, i see what your saying for sure but the wwe fans are so biased its not even funny. The politics in in WWE are insane, there are alot more young guys thriving in TNA than their are in WWE. Sure Vince got a Hard on for Sheamus and Drew but how often do the realy talented guys make it to the top in WWE? It's not so much that im defending TNA because im a fanboy, i just simply think the WWE fans are iggnorant. John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton, etc. But, we're all really ignorant in terms of the wrestling business. I was listening to the State of TNA address on the Bubba The Love Sponge show, Bischoff, Sponge, and Hogan put it best. Unless we can all clarify what the is really going on behind the scenes, not through some lame dirt sheet reader, we're all ignorant. But, I'm enjoying TNA and WWE right now, so as a fan it's a great time to be in this spot. As long as I'm enjoying it, let them book whatever entertains me.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 30, 2010 15:23:29 GMT -5
Joe has main evented many a TNA ppv and had the buyrates do quite well considering TNA's growth at the time. Joe is infact a headliner. Anderson will be headlining PPVs any month now. Joe used to be a headliner. Not any more. Anderson will always play second, maybe even third or fourth fiddle to everyone else in the company. So.. basically you just admitted Jericho is wrong. When was the last time Hogan, Hall, Nash, Flair, or Sting where in the main event? Sting was in October where he put AJ over. Others? Exactly. AJ, Daniels, Desmond Wolfe, Samoa Joe & Kurt Angle are all guys who have been a headliner lately. Hogan hasn't headlined. Flair hasn't headlined. Hall hasn't headlined. Nash hasn't headlined. Basically, no one over 50 is in the main event of TNA's PPVs as it's Joe/AJ at Against All Odds & Destination X is an all X-Division PPV.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 30, 2010 15:24:25 GMT -5
I wish people would shut it about that Venis/Daniels match. IN THE STORYLINE Daniels made a mistake and paid for it. They wanted to put over their new talent. This happens in WWE all the time. Bourne losing almost every week, MVP getting squashed by Sheamus, Jericho losing to JTG. It's called putting over new people... Burke wasn't hurt by losing to Jordan. And Jordan isn't even that bad either.
If Joe isn't a main eventer in TNA, then Jericho isn't a main eventer in WWE. Joe loses to Wolfe clean, Jericho loses to R-Truth clean. Damn those old guys!
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 30, 2010 15:25:19 GMT -5
Is Styles the pin point focus of TNA? Sure, you can argue, But IMO, he is taking a back seat to the legacy of Ric Flair. Sure he's included but when I turn on Impact, I see more relations to Flair as opposed to AJ.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 30, 2010 15:27:02 GMT -5
I guess blind might have been a better word. Alot of the things WWE fans bash about TNA are things that are plaguing WWE atm. How often does HHH lose a match these days? What are they already using to draw for Wrestlemania, HBK Taker 2. We all know in some form HHH will be in a title Match this year again. WWE is a thousands times worse when it comes to new blood [minus the ones vince has a boner for] get a real chance. Yet TNA is some sort of Retirement home because they give older wrestlers small roles in hopes of breathing life into their characters etc.? The difference between Triple H and these 'older guys' that TNA brings in is that Triple H can still go. He is one of the most polished guys in the ring and people still bust a nut when he comes out. TNA brings in guys people really dont care about, like Orlando Jordan and Sean Morley, going over guys who deserve much better than that. They are using HBK/Undertaker to draw because it was such a draw last year that a lot of people want to see it again; but most likely, it's going to be a swerve. Possibly HBK Vs HHH which could keep HHH out of the title picture but still in a big time match. Wait.. WWE uses Triple H, Shawn Michaels, & The Undertaker as "Draws" and to get people over, huh? Okay.. work with me on this one. Ever since Hogan, Hall, Waltman, etc have came in.. TNA has done 1.5, 1.3, 1.3 and 1.4. HOLY CRAP! They're using them for the same reason.. as drawing power! Angle put over AJ, Nash & Waltman put over Beer Money. Same freaking thing. Is Styles the pin point focus of TNA? Sure, you can argue, But IMO, he is taking a back seat to the legacy of Ric Flair. Sure he's included but when I turn on Impact, I see more relations to Flair as opposed to AJ. To get him over! It's the same thing they did with Orton & Batista. They put them with Flair & Triple H to make them look like a big freaking deal. Just like Flair saying AJ's the next Ric Flair, puts him over in the causal fans eye because they think "Crap, this guy must be a great if Flair approves!"
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 30, 2010 15:27:17 GMT -5
Is Styles the pin point focus of TNA? Sure, you can argue, But IMO, he is taking a back seat to the legacy of Ric Flair. Sure he's included but when I turn on Impact, I see more relations to Flair as opposed to AJ. Because you choose to see it that way. You believe TNA's clogged with 50 year old's main eventing, and you're wrong.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 30, 2010 15:28:32 GMT -5
Is Styles the pin point focus of TNA? Sure, you can argue, But IMO, he is taking a back seat to the legacy of Ric Flair. Sure he's included but when I turn on Impact, I see more relations to Flair as opposed to AJ. Because you choose to see it that way. You believe TNA's clogged with 50 year old's main eventing, and you're wrong. And you believe Anderson is currently a headliner, and you're wrong.
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Post by hbkmattelfan on Jan 30, 2010 15:28:44 GMT -5
Is Styles the pin point focus of TNA? Sure, you can argue, But IMO, he is taking a back seat to the legacy of Ric Flair. Sure he's included but when I turn on Impact, I see more relations to Flair as opposed to AJ. This is indeed debatable, i personally see AJ as the focus since he is the one putting on the 5 *s and getting more verbage than Flair in the interviews. Flair imo is just an accessory for AJ right now. But again this is just how i look at it.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 30, 2010 15:29:51 GMT -5
Because you choose to see it that way. You believe TNA's clogged with 50 year old's main eventing, and you're wrong. And you believe Anderson is currently a headliner, and you're wrong. So, beating one of the top faces, being over as heel, and being in the co-main event of Against All Odds isn't being a headliner? And no, it's not a spoiler he's in the co-main event.. but seriously.. Magnus isn't beating him.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 30, 2010 15:32:58 GMT -5
And you believe Anderson is currently a headliner, and you're wrong. So, beating one of the top faces, being over as heel, and being in the co-main event of Against All Odds isn't being a headliner? And no, it's not a spoiler he's in the co-main event.. but seriously.. Magnus isn't beating him. No its not. Did he win at that PPV yet? No. Did he win the TNA world title yet? No. Did he main event any PPV yet? No.. So shut up. He's no headliner yet.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 30, 2010 15:33:59 GMT -5
So, beating one of the top faces, being over as heel, and being in the co-main event of Against All Odds isn't being a headliner? And no, it's not a spoiler he's in the co-main event.. but seriously.. Magnus isn't beating him. No its not. Did he win at that PPV yet? No. Did he win the TNA world title yet? No. Did he main event any PPV yet? No.. So shut up. He's no headliner yet. God, I love it when you help prove my point. You just proved that no one over the age of 50, is a headliner in TNA. Thank you very much.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 30, 2010 15:35:47 GMT -5
Because you choose to see it that way. You believe TNA's clogged with 50 year old's main eventing, and you're wrong. And you believe Anderson is currently a headliner, and you're wrong. He is a top headliner, he just main evented an impact in his second week in the company. He's already over, and is one of the main faces now.You don't have to like him or "approve of him", but it's a fact. Anderson just beat Jarrett and Abyss, two headliners in their own right and is currently undefeated. He'll also be scheduled to be beating many other top faces, you better well get used to it. They can bring him in and have him go over their talent but he's not a headliner. But as soon as Flair and Hogan go NEAR their homegrown talent, they're holding them down. Right, I'm going to leave you and your biasedness to yourself. Next you'll be telling me he's not in the co-main event of AAO. And no, that's not a spoiler. Brutus Magnus wasn't beating him, clearly.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 30, 2010 15:36:23 GMT -5
No its not. Did he win at that PPV yet? No. Did he win the TNA world title yet? No. Did he main event any PPV yet? No.. So shut up. He's no headliner yet. God, I love it when you help prove my point. You just proved that no one over the age of 50, is a headliner in TNA. Thank you very much. What are you saying? I just told you why he's not a headliner, when it was stated that he was. People are really taking this Jericho thing out of context. Bischoff said something towards him, he replies. Jericho's the bad guy. Ok.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 30, 2010 15:37:27 GMT -5
And you believe Anderson is currently a headliner, and you're wrong. He is a top headliner, he just main evented an impact in his second week in the company. He's already over, and is one of the main faces now.You don't have to like him or "approve of him", but it's a fact. Anderson just beat Jarrett and Abyss, two headliners in their own right and is currently undefeated. He'll also be scheduled to be beating many other top faces, you better well get used to it. They can bring him in and have him go over their talent but he's not a headliner. But as soon as Flair and Hogan go NEAR their homegrown talent, they're holding them down. Right, I'm going to leave you and your biasedness to yourself. Next you'll be telling me he's not in the co-main event of AAO. And no, that's not a spoiler. Brutus Magnus wasn't beating him, clearly. Wait, you mean face as in heel/face or face as in THE FACE OF TNA WRESTLING?
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 30, 2010 15:38:02 GMT -5
God, I love it when you help prove my point. You just proved that no one over the age of 50, is a headliner in TNA. Thank you very much. What are you saying? I just told you why he's not a headliner, when it was stated that he was. People are really taking this Jericho thing out of context. Bischoff said something towards him, he replies. Jericho's the bad guy. Ok. You practically said anyone who held the world title was a headliner. Hogan, Flair, The Band and all the other guys that were brought in aren't headliners cause they didn't win any titles. Thanks.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 30, 2010 15:39:59 GMT -5
What are you saying? I just told you why he's not a headliner, when it was stated that he was. People are really taking this Jericho thing out of context. Bischoff said something towards him, he replies. Jericho's the bad guy. Ok. You practically said anyone who held the world title was a headliner. Hogan, Flair, The Band and all the other guys that were brought in aren't headliners cause they didn't win any titles. Thanks. I said he wasn't because he is yet to twin that match at the next PPV, yet to win a title yes, and yet to main event a PPV show. Thats 3 things a main event headliner is, Anderson is yet to do one. Yet.
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Post by hbkmattelfan on Jan 30, 2010 15:40:24 GMT -5
No its not. Did he win at that PPV yet? No. Did he win the TNA world title yet? No. Did he main event any PPV yet? No.. So shut up. He's no headliner yet. God, I love it when you help prove my point. You just proved that no one over the age of 50, is a headliner in TNA. Thank you very much. The only 50 year old to ever main event a recent TNA ppv is Sting who is a massive draw and put over AJ.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 30, 2010 15:41:04 GMT -5
You practically said anyone who held the world title was a headliner. Hogan, Flair, The Band and all the other guys that were brought in aren't headliners cause they didn't win any titles. Thanks. I said he wasn't because he is yet to twin that match at the next PPV, yet to win a title yes, and yet to main event a show. Thats 3 things a main event headliner is, Anderson is yet to do one. Yet. He main evented this weeks Impact and is co-main eventing Against All Odds. Next please!
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 30, 2010 15:43:06 GMT -5
I said he wasn't because he is yet to twin that match at the next PPV, yet to win a title yes, and yet to main event a show. Thats 3 things a main event headliner is, Anderson is yet to do one. Yet. He main evented this weeks Impact and is co-main eventing Against All Odds. Next please! Meant PPV. Didnt win the match yet. co-main eventing is a stupid term you just made up now for Anderson.
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Post by " The Chosen One" Jeff Relling on Jan 30, 2010 15:44:28 GMT -5
Total undisputed Jeri-Owned.
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