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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 2, 2010 15:48:09 GMT -5
First, let me say that I have AJ and Sting from DI Series 1 and The Motor City Machine Guns 2-pack pre-ordered and hopefully on its way very soon. I am a big TNA fan through all the faults and I have been for years. I am to the point that I will take what I can get in the way of figures for the TNA roster, and am happy that Jakks took them on when WWE switched to Mattel.
With all of that being said, I am growing more-and-more concerned for the future of the Jakks TNA line. They don't seem to be making a great deal of effort in pleasing their customer and the total disregard for all things accurate is irritating. I think once the appeal to have a Jakks Sting or updated MMG figures wears off that Jakks is going to have a really hard time holding onto repeat customers with what they are doing right now.
I am wondering if anyone else has the same type of feeling? Mattel is making amazing figures, delivering on time or early, and really listening to what fans want. I know that Jakks is a much smaller company, but it really feels like to me that they don't care. If a company doesn't care then the consumers are going to eventually stop caring as well. I think we saw a lot of this in the last few lines of CS.
I hope it changes, I hope TNA makes Jakks a nice chunk of money and they start really investing in the company. I just find it curious that Mattel is doing everything they can to give fans what they want and Jakks has actually stopped listening all together.
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Post by sonofanarchy on Sept 2, 2010 15:52:48 GMT -5
That is why Jakks and TNA belong together, because they both do not try to please the customer.
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Post by LeighD on Sept 2, 2010 16:19:36 GMT -5
I've been thinking a lot about this as of late. IMO, The TNA will have a lot of new faces at first and then will slowly start to turn into re-paints and the occasional new face (just what happens). I think only TNA fans will buy a lot of the line. I thinkt he demand for TNA will be nowhere near the demand for their WWE figures. I mean let's face it, WWE is a household name, TNA isn't. For the person looking for a wrestling gift for a wrestling fan, they will buy WWE 99 times out of 100.
With that said, Jakks' flagship line needed to have been their LOTR line. HOWEVER, we were told this line as a separate line might not even make it past LOTR 2. Future LOTR figures will be "prinkled" into the DI assortments a 1 LOTR per case. That right there concerned me.
The CS lien made Jakks money and open the gates to a fresh new market of revenue. Jakks needed to do the same with the LOTR line and they are not. I think Jakks thought they'd be hitting it big when they signed on with TNA and just shortly thereafter, Hulk Hogan signed on with TNA too.
Bottomline, I think Jakks are more focused with their UFC line than any wrestling line.
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Post by Cammi Oh on Sept 2, 2010 16:20:57 GMT -5
That is why Jakks and TNA belong together, because they both do not try to please the customer. LOL, that is good. I agree with you in some ways. In others, I really think TNA is trying to be good. They are just not being successful at it. I think Jakks is floundering after losing their $ $ $ with the WWE license. They might just be waiting for their boat to finish sinking.
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Post by ToxicTwistOfFate on Sept 2, 2010 16:38:18 GMT -5
Around here the TNA line seems to be selling very well.
DI 1 at TRU sold out Six Sides of Steel at TRU first shipment sold out DI 1 at Target has all sold except for a lone Joe DI 1 at another Target has all sold except for a lone Jarrett
All those sales have been within a weeks time so I would say the line is off to a good start. As for the future of the figures who knows. It would be nice if Jakks listened to what people want but I don't see it happening. I doubt they will ever make new molds other than the new deluxe one for the knockouts.
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Post by master of the WORLD! on Sept 2, 2010 16:42:21 GMT -5
i can see jakks stop making tna figures by the end of next year or 2 at the max
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Post by mbg1211 on Sept 2, 2010 17:03:45 GMT -5
Actually they do care, but things are the way they are right now for reasons I can not say. I don't know all of them, but I do promotional videos for Jakks and am an intern at TNA so I know a little bit of what's going on, but I don't believe it's my right to say. And no I'm not going to tell you if you PM me.
I'm sick and tired of seeing people on here complaining and complaining over the same things...just be appreciative that we are getting decent TNA figures. And the reason not all the parts and scale are accurate is because they can't afford new molds right now. I'm tired of having to repeat myself because you guys complain so much you ignore the facts. Just be patient, yes it's taking a while and I understand, but everything will be just fine. Just be patient. Sheesh.
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Post by STING on Sept 2, 2010 17:04:43 GMT -5
It is terribly said really. JAKKS had such a great oppotunity with the new lines. First off, they totally disregarded what the collectors ask for by making the main line in DI form. Now, they are killing the Legends line off just 2 sets in. Nobody from JAKKS is on here throwing hits of line-ups, giving any kind of news, or even talking about the product lines. They are keeping everything secret. When is the last time we have even heard from anybody at JAKKS?
If they keep up this trend, I don't see it lasting more than a year or so. Their silence is so frustrating. Why can't they give us any news or updates? I realize Jeremy got a promotion, but someone needs to be the spokesperson and give us something.
JAKKS can make good figures when they want to. I just wish they wanted to. I honestly believe they are burnt out and they do not of the excitement they once had. It is like they are not even happy to have the TNA line or Legends.
I like JAKKS and I love my CS figures. This is what is making me upset, is their silence right now. They themselves are to blame however, if they loose the license. Which they will do if they are determined to keep silent. Bottom line, Mattel cares and their excitement is showing. They are doing wonders with the WWE line. They are truly doing a dynamic job.
I wish JAKKS would wake up and at least show is they are caring for their products. If not, they deserve to go under and fail. It is totally up to them.
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Post by sean™ on Sept 2, 2010 17:34:21 GMT -5
Actually they do care, but things are the way they are right now for reasons I can not say. I don't know all of them, but I do promotional videos for Jakks and am an intern at TNA so I know a little bit of what's going on, but I don't believe it's my right to say. And no I'm not going to tell you if you PM me. I'm sick and tired of seeing people on here complaining and complaining over the same things...just be appreciative that we are getting decent TNA figures. And the reason not all the parts and scale are accurate is because they can't afford new molds right now. I'm tired of having to repeat myself because you guys complain so much you ignore the facts. Just be patient, yes it's taking a while and I understand, but everything will be just fine. Just be patient. Sheesh. Are you ing kidding me? The Tall Kicker mold has been out since like DA Series 5. As far as the rest of their issues, they have nothing to do with "not having the money to get new molds." Here's an idea. Create a product that is actually worth spending money on, and I'd bet those problems would go away. For years now, Jakks has played this little game of showing off great prototypes, with detail and good painting and correct parts (most of which are parts they have been using for years) yet when the actual product comes out, it looks nothing like what it should have. You show a prototype with tall kickers? Give the actual figure tall kickers. I actually have to give some props to them for showing the IMPACT 2 AJ Styles with short kickers, since that is what the product actually includes. How about that lovely detail on Sting's tights in IMPACT 1? Man, I sure do love paying 10 dollars so that I can go back and add 7 white lines onto a red square because it advertised that way. How about that sweet flannel jacket Mick was wearing at every Toy Show and in the protos? Yeah, that plastic replacement sure makes it worth every penny, right? You want to know why so many people were quick to turn on Jakks and accept Mattel? Because when I look at a proto for an Elite Jericho or Kane or ing Hornswoggle, I know I'm going to get exactly that. I have confidence in the product to the point where I could pre-order something and not have to worry about if it will be decent or not. The last decent thing Jakks has created in the last few years has been Internet Exclusives, which is just disgusting. The only figures you will put real detail and effort into are the ones that are limited supply? That's just sad.
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Post by mbg1211 on Sept 2, 2010 17:44:10 GMT -5
Actually they do care, but things are the way they are right now for reasons I can not say. I don't know all of them, but I do promotional videos for Jakks and am an intern at TNA so I know a little bit of what's going on, but I don't believe it's my right to say. And no I'm not going to tell you if you PM me. I'm sick and tired of seeing people on here complaining and complaining over the same things...just be appreciative that we are getting decent TNA figures. And the reason not all the parts and scale are accurate is because they can't afford new molds right now. I'm tired of having to repeat myself because you guys complain so much you ignore the facts. Just be patient, yes it's taking a while and I understand, but everything will be just fine. Just be patient. Sheesh. Are you ing kidding me? The Tall Kicker mold has been out since like DA Series 5. As far as the rest of their issues, they have nothing to do with "not having the money to get new molds." Here's an idea. Create a product that is actually worth spending money on, and I'd bet those problems would go away. For years now, Jakks has played this little game of showing off great prototypes, with detail and good painting and correct parts (most of which are parts they have been using for years) yet when the actual product comes out, it looks nothing like what it should have. You show a prototype with tall kickers? Give the actual figure tall kickers. I actually have to give some props to them for showing the IMPACT 2 AJ Styles with short kickers, since that is what the product actually includes. How about that lovely detail on Sting's tights in IMPACT 1? Man, I sure do love paying 10 dollars so that I can go back and add 7 white lines onto a red square because it advertised that way. How about that sweet flannel jacket Mick was wearing at every Toy Show and in the protos? Yeah, that plastic replacement sure makes it worth every penny, right? You want to know why so many people were quick to turn on Jakks and accept Mattel? Because when I look at a proto for an Elite Jericho or Kane or ing Hornswoggle, I know I'm going to get exactly that. I have confidence in the product to the point where I could pre-order something and not have to worry about if it will be decent or not. The last decent thing Jakks has created in the last few years has been Internet Exclusives, which is just disgusting. The only figures you will put real detail and effort into are the ones that are limited supply? That's just sad. Well if you don't like it you don't have to buy it. Simple. And for $9-$10 I don't think you should be complaining honestly. You're getting a decent quality figure for a reasonable price and because the price is lower there are drawbacks. Jakks is focusing on price right now until enough is made to invest in the line.
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Post by sean™ on Sept 2, 2010 17:52:37 GMT -5
I don't buy it. But don't tell myself, and other potential customers that have voiced opinions about the deception behind the product from Jakks to just "be patient", when these issues have been going on for the last few years. Even the UFC line is suffering the same results, with logos and tattoos being shown in prototype images, and yet are no where to be found on the actual product.
It would be like buying a CD from Best Buy, and it not having all the songs it should. The press release for the CD says that it should have 12 songs, the back listing says that it should have 12 songs, and yet the CD only has 8 songs on it.
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Sept 2, 2010 17:54:13 GMT -5
Well if you don't like it you don't have to buy it. Simple. If ya don't like it, don't buy it! should be Jakks' new catchphrase for the TNA line.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 2, 2010 17:55:20 GMT -5
Actually they do care, but things are the way they are right now for reasons I can not say. I don't know all of them, but I do promotional videos for Jakks and am an intern at TNA so I know a little bit of what's going on, but I don't believe it's my right to say. And no I'm not going to tell you if you PM me. I'm sick and tired of seeing people on here complaining and complaining over the same things...just be appreciative that we are getting decent TNA figures. And the reason not all the parts and scale are accurate is because they can't afford new molds right now. I'm tired of having to repeat myself because you guys complain so much you ignore the facts. Just be patient, yes it's taking a while and I understand, but everything will be just fine. Just be patient. Sheesh. Paying customers have a right to complain. If there are legitimate reasons as to why they are doing what they're doing, and just told us what they were, maybe we'd be more sympathetic and understanding. But they don't do that, whenever we complain they just blow it off. If they don't have the funds or interest in the TNA or LOTR to make it as good as they possibly can, than they should've never signed with TNA. And to the OP, I'm really glad you made this thread, because you pretty much summed up exactly how I feel, and I know if I made this thread I would have gotten the biggest flamefest in history, lol. I called it in the other thread too. I said that the LOTR will be dead before the end of this year, and the TNA line will probably last till maybe sometime early next year. I have a feeling Mattel is going to DESTROY Jakks for this years holiday season, and that will probably be the final blow.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 2, 2010 18:10:02 GMT -5
Are you ing kidding me? The Tall Kicker mold has been out since like DA Series 5. As far as the rest of their issues, they have nothing to do with "not having the money to get new molds." Here's an idea. Create a product that is actually worth spending money on, and I'd bet those problems would go away. For years now, Jakks has played this little game of showing off great prototypes, with detail and good painting and correct parts (most of which are parts they have been using for years) yet when the actual product comes out, it looks nothing like what it should have. You show a prototype with tall kickers? Give the actual figure tall kickers. I actually have to give some props to them for showing the IMPACT 2 AJ Styles with short kickers, since that is what the product actually includes. How about that lovely detail on Sting's tights in IMPACT 1? Man, I sure do love paying 10 dollars so that I can go back and add 7 white lines onto a red square because it advertised that way. How about that sweet flannel jacket Mick was wearing at every Toy Show and in the protos? Yeah, that plastic replacement sure makes it worth every penny, right? You want to know why so many people were quick to turn on Jakks and accept Mattel? Because when I look at a proto for an Elite Jericho or Kane or ing Hornswoggle, I know I'm going to get exactly that. I have confidence in the product to the point where I could pre-order something and not have to worry about if it will be decent or not. The last decent thing Jakks has created in the last few years has been Internet Exclusives, which is just disgusting. The only figures you will put real detail and effort into are the ones that are limited supply? That's just sad. Well if you don't like it you don't have to buy it. Simple. And for $9-$10 I don't think you should be complaining honestly. You're getting a decent quality figure for a reasonable price and because the price is lower there are drawbacks. Jakks is focusing on price right now until enough is made to invest in the line. That is ed up. So let me get this straight, not only are you getting mad at us, the paying customers, for expressing our complaints and opinions. But you're also telling me that we shouldn't complain and be grateful that we're getting figures for a cheap price? Are you ing kidding me!?! So, if you work at McDonald's and someone orders a dollar cheesburger a certain way and the cook messes it up. If the customer complained, would you say "Oh be quite, that cheesburger only cost you a dollar, be grateful."? And I can't ever think of a toy company, or any company for that matter, ever having a motto that say's "If you don't like em, don't buy em". Are you serious dude? You say you work as an intern at Jakks? If I was a head guy at Jakks and I found out you were saying this sh*t to paying customers, I'd fire your ass so fast your head would spin. However, if Jakks shares your opinions and feel the same way you do, then I would really love to see them fail.
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Sept 2, 2010 18:16:58 GMT -5
I wish Jakks never started making Deluxe Aggression/Impact figures...imo the quality has gone down since then.
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Post by Keck Collects on Sept 2, 2010 18:58:49 GMT -5
If they are being cost effective, why would they be releasing UFC Micros, Build and Brawls, proposed Generic figures, those Dollar store TNA figures, Flex ems, TNA Micros, and the other stuff they have shown? Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on the Core DI, LOTR, and UFC lines?
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 2, 2010 19:03:13 GMT -5
If they are being cost effective, why would they be releasing UFC Micros, Build and Brawls, proposed Generic figures, those Dollar store TNA figures, Flex ems, TNA Micros, and the other stuff they have shown? Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on the Core DI, LOTR, and UFC lines? I bet the only reason they're making those other lines is because they still have a sh*t load of unused parts that they just want to get rid of. So many bad business decisions have put them where they are now.
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Post by sonofanarchy on Sept 2, 2010 19:34:01 GMT -5
Actually they do care, but things are the way they are right now for reasons I can not say. I don't know all of them, but I do promotional videos for Jakks and am an intern at TNA so I know a little bit of what's going on, but I don't believe it's my right to say. And no I'm not going to tell you if you PM me. I'm sick and tired of seeing people on here complaining and complaining over the same things...just be appreciative that we are getting decent TNA figures. And the reason not all the parts and scale are accurate is because they can't afford new molds right now. I'm tired of having to repeat myself because you guys complain so much you ignore the facts. Just be patient, yes it's taking a while and I understand, but everything will be just fine. Just be patient. Sheesh. I find it hard to believe an Intern for TNA knows what is going with that crap heap of a company when the front office does not even know what they are doing from one show to the next.
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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Sept 2, 2010 20:01:46 GMT -5
If they are being cost effective, why would they be releasing UFC Micros, Build and Brawls, proposed Generic figures, those Dollar store TNA figures, Flex ems, TNA Micros, and the other stuff they have shown? Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on the Core DI, LOTR, and UFC lines? Great point, I cannot fathom why a company would choose quantity, knowing a limited budget exists, over quality. As a result, the budget is spread thin and the product(s) quality is compromised. In short, it does make sense to focus on your core lines especially when the TNA wrestling brand is, from a business perspective, in its infancy. On a side note, Jakks' idea to create their own Superstarz of Wrestling line (generic figures) is ridiculous. I hope the idea is/was canned. Everyone knows my position regarding the Jakks-TNA product. In my opinion, the decadence of the Jakks wrestling product began with Jeremy's promotion and continued with Enrique leaving to take a position with Mattel. I support Jakks canceling the LOTR line and packing future LOTR figures with the TNA DI line. In my opinion, the LOTR line (due to its limitations on contracts) will not attract a broad customer base. The overall demand for a character such as Terry Taylor, Jim Cornette, etc. is not high. LOTR is a niche product and should be treated like one. Cobra, you are correct regarding the behavior of MBG regarding this issue. I would not tolerate unprofessionalism, such as this, in or out of the workplace. An employee should promote the vision and mission of the company they are employed with not indirectly bastardize it.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 2, 2010 20:05:27 GMT -5
Actually they do care, but things are the way they are right now for reasons I can not say. I don't know all of them, but I do promotional videos for Jakks and am an intern at TNA so I know a little bit of what's going on, but I don't believe it's my right to say. And no I'm not going to tell you if you PM me. I'm sick and tired of seeing people on here complaining and complaining over the same things...just be appreciative that we are getting decent TNA figures. And the reason not all the parts and scale are accurate is because they can't afford new molds right now. I'm tired of having to repeat myself because you guys complain so much you ignore the facts. Just be patient, yes it's taking a while and I understand, but everything will be just fine. Just be patient. Sheesh. This is just all kinds of fail, and no I am not going to tell you why if you PM me... It has been brought up countless times that we are not asking Jakks for anything they haven't previously done. Mass produce exact copies of the protos, use the right parts on the right guys, and for the love of God focus on the RI line. Additionally, I pretty clearly stated in my original post that once I had Sting (which I have) and the Guns (on the way) that my Jakks days would probably be numbered. So I will be putting your "If you don't like them, don't buy them" routine to the test. I got an amazing AJ figure as well as some others in the TNA Marvel line so its just a matter of getting a few updated figures and calling it a day. Unless of course Jakks attempts to put some effort into the line :notholdingbreath:
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