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Post by marino13 on Feb 15, 2011 17:13:04 GMT -5
I've noticed there seems to be a difference of opinions when it comes to the coats. Some fans think they are too hard to get on & off while others think fabric is the way to go. So I thought we'd find out how the majority votes. Few sample shots....
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Post by AdamBomb on Feb 15, 2011 17:20:06 GMT -5
I personally like them. They are able to capture a LOT more detail, along with the fact that Mattel has said that soft materials are more expensive to produce, thus it would inherently raise the price of Elites, and people would throw a fit about that on here.
Aside from that, as I pointed out in another post, a lot of people here complained about plastic staining from Steamboat, Kozlov, and Christian's jackets. I am sure people would still complain if say, Regal had purple staining from dye.
Luckily, Defining Moments is a higher priced collector based line, with higher quality (read: more expensive) materials.... and dye leaching into plastic (to my knowledge) is yet to be an issue.
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Post by wyleecyotee on Feb 15, 2011 17:21:02 GMT -5
The only thing i hate is the mobillity on the arms. Other than that I actually really liked them.
If I was really bugged by this then Ralphs does good coats and I plan on buying a grey Morrison one for the new Elite anyway so there really is no huge problem.
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Feb 15, 2011 17:39:49 GMT -5
I like the mix of cloth and plastic going on, but it'll always be a battle between detail, mobility and budget. I just hate it when an Elite gets the short end of the stick, and it ends up having minimal accessories like S4 Jericho or S6 Batista. The only thing i hate is the mobillity on the arms. Other than that I actually really liked them. Maybe someday Mattel could work something out where the sleeves are separate parts that somehow plug into the torso portion of the jacket and allow us to rotate the arms up and down.
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Post by PJ on Feb 15, 2011 17:49:33 GMT -5
It depends on the robe details. Regal, Edge, Taker I like the plastic robes, but robes like Rude's, Orndorff's & Iron Sheik's are better as cloth.
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Post by codebreaker22 on Feb 15, 2011 18:05:42 GMT -5
I love the look of them, and they have so much detail. But for posing reason's it kinda sucks, as you can't really pose them. I believe if something is fabric in real life, then the figure should have fabric as well. But if its a leather jacket then it should be plastic. I just wish it had some flexibility in it.
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Post by noir on Feb 15, 2011 18:12:26 GMT -5
I prefer soft goods (fabric) all the way.
The hard plastic renders them completely immobile, which considering they're action figures, is pretty lame. The coat that came with my elite Edge has since been thrown to the side, and remains untouched. Couple that with the fact that you feel like you're going to break the figure when you try to remove it, and thus it isn't worth the effort to take it on and off. For undertaker, the plastic is good as you still get a degree of mobility from the arms and head (the most important joints on an action figure). The only instances in which hard plastic coats work is when the sleeves are interchangeable with another piece for the arm. Otherwise, give me soft goods like Matt Hardy's coat any day of the week.
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Post by the franchise on Feb 15, 2011 18:31:29 GMT -5
That Goldust robe should have been made of fabric.
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Post by wyleecyotee on Feb 15, 2011 18:35:05 GMT -5
The only thing i hate is the mobillity on the arms. Other than that I actually really liked them. Maybe someday Mattel could work something out where the sleeves are separate parts that somehow plug into the torso portion of the jacket and allow us to rotate the arms up and down. I was thinking of something like this although mine involed fabric sleeves. I dont mind as much, it is annoying a bit but like I said in my above post, Ralph figure clothing makes them so if i really want cloth Regal robe i can get it.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 15, 2011 19:01:16 GMT -5
It'd be great if the plastic was also easier to take off and could move around more...well, at all, haha. But if the choice is how the coats are as plastic versus big baggy looking limited-in-detail cloth, I'd choose the plastic ones. At $15, I don't expect a whole lot in terms of cloth goods. For Defining Moments? That's where we should get that perfect John Morrison, Goldust, etc. But for the pricepoint, and in terms of what they can do, I'm fine with it.
Looking at Regal, they probably could have made that one as cloth. His coat is pretty baggy anyhow, and it's not super detailed. But Edge and Taker? Less actual fine details, but Jakks did them in soft good form and they just looked off. The couldn't do the little things like the studs in Edge's jacket or Taker's collar. The buckles were painted on instead of molded, stitches couldn't be done, their coats weren't fit properly, etc. I much prefer the less "poofy" coats and things like that to be plastic at this scale.
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Post by Chewdeezy on Feb 15, 2011 19:30:06 GMT -5
I like the hard plastic and just throw em on my basics anyways.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Feb 15, 2011 20:20:52 GMT -5
Hard plastic all the way. Fabric coats, and most fabric clothing on figures at this size apart from t-shirts, sucks giant balls. Defining Moments Shawn Michaels is a great figure, but the oversized poofy white coat makes it look so... Jakksy. Entrance Greats Undertaker's coat is terrible too. Million Dollar Man's suit, EG Rock's pants, Elite Swagger's extra singlet, DM Triple H's "jeans," etc etc... Fabric items are just plain bad, usually, because of the sizing issue. They look way too big for the figure, which makes the whole thing look stupid. Plus the level of detail on fabric robes is never going to match what they can do with the plastic. Compare the Jakks Goldust robes with the elite one and it's plain to see the advantage of having a robe that looks decent. I believe if something is fabric in real life, then the figure should have fabric as well. Do you think figure trunks should be made of spandex?
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Feb 15, 2011 20:30:28 GMT -5
Hard plastic all the way. Fabric coats, and most fabric clothing on figures at this size apart from t-shirts, sucks giant balls. Defining Moments Shawn Michaels is a great figure, but the oversized poofy white coat makes it look so... Jakksy. Entrance Greats Undertaker's coat is terrible too. Million Dollar Man's suit, EG Rock's pants, Elite Swagger's extra singlet, DM Triple H's "jeans," etc etc... Fabric items are just plain bad, usually, because of the sizing issue. They look way too big for the figure, which makes the whole thing look stupid. Plus the level of detail on fabric robes is never going to match what they can do with the plastic. Compare the Jakks Goldust robes with the elite one and it's plain to see the advantage of having a robe that looks decent. I believe if something is fabric in real life, then the figure should have fabric as well. Do you think figure trunks should be made of spandex?
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 15, 2011 22:36:57 GMT -5
I prefer fabric. The singular complaint I have with the fabric so far is the red rubbing off on Ricky Steamboat. I really hate Goldust's coat. Not only is it extremely difficult to get off, but it also makes it hard to even pose the figure because the legs have limited movement inside the coat. I was really disappointed to see Regal's coat end up being the plastic molding. I may actually pass all together because of it.
I understand it is more expensive so I will take the plastic over nothing at all 9 times out of 10 but if I had a choice I would go with fabric every time.
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Post by roddypiper on Feb 15, 2011 22:37:51 GMT -5
kind of a double edge sword really. You get mor detailed but its so hard to get off sometimes.
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Post by Instant Classic on Feb 15, 2011 23:15:52 GMT -5
i like plastic, but i think mattel has made the right coats and robes cloth and/or plastic.
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Post by Gangrel-Brood on Feb 16, 2011 9:12:37 GMT -5
Jakks' attempt at replicating the leather look of the jackets on Undertaker and Edge looked like they were wearing muu-muus. The plastic Mattel uses enables there to be more detail on a smaller scale.
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Post by naparo01 on Feb 16, 2011 9:22:05 GMT -5
I think they are useless. The fact that you can't move the guys arms within the coat really takes away from the effect. Also the difficulty of removing and putting them back on is just a nightmare.
Of course I would rather fabric but understand that this isn't always an affordable option. I would much rather they spend their money on something other than the rubber coat to make the figure more desirable.
I will say this in defense of Mattel. That unlike Jakks, at least Mattel makes their rubber coats 100% removable. Much better than having an Edge or Taker with a sleeves permanently on their arms.
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Post by Chip on Feb 16, 2011 9:27:58 GMT -5
I don't like them, but I understand why they are what they are and not some kind of cloth or soft rubber. I don't want to pay $20 for Elites just to get a cloth coat for 1-2 figures
However I wish there was a cheaper way for them to make the robes/coats in the material like DM Shawn Michaels' coat. That soft vinyl look, even though it's thin it still looks good
In defense of Jakks....for guys like Undertaker, they weren't going to give us full cloth or pleather coats on a basic everyday figure, so by doing the "sleeveless trenchcoat" it allowed us to MOVE THE ARMS for a display....and any figure with that style (Edge, UT, etc.) should have only been used for display anyway.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Feb 16, 2011 10:10:16 GMT -5
Jakks' attempt at replicating the leather look of the jackets on Undertaker and Edge looked like they were wearing muu-muus. They really do. And Mattel's Entrance Greats Undertaker isn't any better. I don't get why some people are so nuts on toys having ill-fitting cloth coats. Collectors who are into that should maybe consider moving over to a certain other big Mattel brand, which has a lot more focus on dressing up in fabrics.
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