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Post by PVA on Apr 22, 2011 8:23:42 GMT -5
Sales are "terrible" because the line was started prematurely. Should of waited until more bigger names were signed before starting production.
L1 should of been the first Macho Man figure in X amount of years. That would of kick started a line. Instead Mattel got greedy and overproduce a more expensive Defining Moments Macho Man. Then made the mistake of announcing a cheaper and more iconic attired macho man to be released only a few months later.
Translation: you shot yourself in the foot!!
That said, The line has been PERFECT for old school fans (uhm older collectors not kids like myself). The problem is there are more kids who are going to buy figures then the number of older collectors.
Suggestion; mix in 80s and 90s stars into the same series. Don't saturate the market with all of one "era". You make an ALL attitude era, you are going to turn off a lot of your real "legends" collectors.
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Post by Hacker on Apr 22, 2011 8:29:06 GMT -5
I'd say I have probably purchased half of the legends line. I buy my favorites first, then find myself going back and forth on others until I see them dicounted in price. What has kept me from buying them all? Simply put, I didn't feel all were "must haves". There should be a few tiers of "legends" that you consider. Who were the all time top draws? Who had the most longevity? Start with these names and launch the legends line with the top sellers. Then based on sales, continue with the second tier guys making cuts in production costs if necessary. I find myself waiting on several legends figures because I want to spend my money on guys like Rock, Austin, Bret Hart, Yokozuna, Andre, (mid 90's version of) HBK, Trish, Guerrero, Hogan, Flair, Diesel, Razor, Sid... I could go on. I don't feel the need to buy guys like Volkoff, Shiek, Martel, Akeem, Bigelow, etc. Now, AFTER I get the main guys, then I would be more willing to consider those guys. Plus, if you do need to cut costs on the line, I'd rather have the best work and quality in the guys I really want.
Also, I am not sure how producing sets more or less often affects production costs, but fewer sets a year or fewer figures per set might be an option. You could also have a "chase" legend in EVERY line you release. Not have a full blown legends line, but include a legend figure with every wwe line produced.
Bottom line for me is that character choice was not what it could have been. That could easily be corrected for future sets, and I would buy. I feel the quality in the line is unmatched, and the price is reasonable. It comes down to who's in the box.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 8:39:07 GMT -5
- Cancel DM - Its too exp for most people and takes away from star power that goes into the legends line
- Go to 6 Legends Per Series and Give them Some serious Star Power and sprinkle in a few colorful obscure guys
- Cut back on Unneeded Accessories. Drop the Cost. Mattel said before Labour is a Big cost for making the t shirts n such. I could take ric martel without the jacket and be just as happy with the figure. And Bam bams jacket will just go in a box for me.
i think L5 will do pretty well in stores but Legends 6 i believe is right back to L1 - L2 and will probably stir up a bunch of doom and gloom @ the mattel camp. I think they should Start new for L7, Put Andre, Undertaker, the rockers, HBK, and another fig in the series. Cut back on accessories. Maybe just a hat for undertaker and an accessories for the last fig if needed. and then plan more Stars for L8.
I agree Attitude figures should be involved but not the whole line, Jakks started their line ups with Golden Age and New Generation Figures and started with a Bang. They Mixed their line ups pretty well after that. Who cares about Jakks imo, but they were successful....
Well i doubt we'll be hearing any news about the line for a while now..... Thats Disapointing .
I'd Like to Hear Mattels Opinion on all of this.....
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Post by kidanimation09 on Apr 22, 2011 8:57:36 GMT -5
Owen!
Someone said that there is a new plastic being use for figs hair - so could you make/remake(same attire):
Brian Pillman - remake 97' Owen Hart - Hart Foundation 97' or danger attire or King of Harts British Bulldog - remake or with tights, or WCW Curt Hennig - WWE return Bret Hart - 97' Jim Neidhart - 97' DDP - WWF 01' or WCW Christian - 01 Kurt Angle - 01 LOD - 98' Undertaker - 01' Kane - 03 remake with strap parts on the mask and many more...
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Post by The Madness on Apr 22, 2011 8:57:51 GMT -5
I agree, cut back on the accessories if you have to - except for the figures that really need them. Rick Martel's were essential, but Bam Bam didn't need the jacket, and I certainly wouldn't say that t-shirt was necessary for Macho Man.
More iconic looks are a must, too. I personally held off on buying Sgt. Slaughter in hopes that his camo attire would be released later. I didn't buy Snuka since I'd have rather had the barefoot '80s version. I did buy the Road Warriors, but I would have rather had them in WWF red, and I'm sure there are others that didn't buy them because they weren't that version.
IMO, the two-packs were the biggest mistakes this line made. Piper and Shiek were already available in better versions, and at a $30 price point, nobody wanted to essentially pay $30 for a figure that wasn't that heavily in-demand, anyway (Orton and Volkoff). At the TRU near me, the Bushwhackers seemed to sell better, but the $25 price of the All-Stars packs in much, much easier to swallow for a two-pack.
I know that Kevin Von Erich was a requirement to get Kerry signed, but I hope he is shortpacked, because otherwise, he is going to warm the pegs until the end of time. I'm a bit leery of having two versions of Kerry Von Erich in the same line. He is a wanted character, but probably not that much. Perhaps it would have been better to have his World Class version as a chase figure.
I hope Mattel doesn't decide the future of the line based on how well the Von Erichs sell. The rest of series 6 will probably perform great, even with Warrior's incorrect title belt.
Please don't cancel the Legends line. Mattel makes the best wrestling figures that have ever been produced, but if there are no legends, I probably won't be buying any more of them.
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Post by azraelms on Apr 22, 2011 9:07:00 GMT -5
I mentioned this in another thread, but they can have a lot of mileage from simple repaints in this line. Instead of pumping out versions of Undertaker as SDCC exclusive, Entrance Greats, and Defining Moments, they should be sprinkled in the Legends line. Same with Kane, Edge, Christian, Shawn Michaels, Randy Savage, and Bret Hart. Between Undertaker, Savage, Hart, and Michaels, they could have one of those in each of the next 8 waves and they would sell. Plus throw in Andre, repaints of the LOD, and there are a few more they can do. And when Flair and Hogan are available after they leave TNA (both contracts are up at the end of December, I believe) then that REALLY opens up the possibilities.
Truthfully, what may be a good idea is to end the line after wave 6, then maybe 'relauch' the line in 2012 and start fresh. Same scale and such, but get the big names ready to go - and launch it with style. If they relauched the line next January with a lineup that includes Andre the Giant, both Rockers, Bret Hart, and maybe another Rock and one figure that was never done by Jakks, then it would be a much better start to the line.
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Post by fallbrawl on Apr 22, 2011 9:38:37 GMT -5
I have bought every Legends figure series 1-4 and i plan on getting all the other Legends series you bring out.
I would really like to see a Papa Shango figure made into the Legends line but i know that will not be the most popular figure. Since most of the kids that watch the current product will not know who he is.
The only thing that i think you should do differently is to put a mix of different figures into the sets.
Andre the Giant - Black singlet Triple H- Purple Summerslam 1998 Attire Superstar Billy Gram- any attire. HBK- Wrestlemania 8 attire
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Post by PJ on Apr 22, 2011 9:43:19 GMT -5
First this thread should be stickied. As for the Legends line I've purchases at least 2 of every legends made to date...Minus Series 5 which I'm still waiting to hit mass retail to purchase my doubles.
What Mattel could do is make each series have a C&C figure like with their DCUC line. Either go back to 6 figures per set with -
1 figure having the head & crotch piece 1 figure the torso 1 figure the left arm 1 figure the right arm 1 figure the left leg 1 figure the right leg
Or make Legends a 5 figure set with - 1 figure having the head, torso & crotch piece 1 figure the left arm 1 figure the right arm 1 figure the left leg 1 figure the right leg
That way you'd need to buy the whole set to get the bonus 6th or 7th figure.
Also maybe make each wave have - 1 Tag Team 1 wrestler from the 70's 2 (or 1 if a 5 fig wave) wrestler from the 80's 1 from the 90's with the C&C being a wrestler who might not sell as well by himself or a repaint of someone we already got (Sarge, Barefoot Snuka, ect.)
As for who to make...Here again was the list I made of "My Most Wanted Mattel Legends" when I heard Mattel was doing a Legends line. As we can see quite a few have been made or announced. As far as accessories go just give them their entrance attires and/or the titles they held.
Singles- Hitman (any attire) (Coming 2011) "Rowdy" Roddy Piper - Got (EG & 2-Pack) "Magnificent Muraco" (heel black attire and heel blue atire) "Mr Wonderful" Paul Orndorff (red attire & blue attire) - Got Series 4 Bob Backlund (young WWWF Champion) "Mr Perfect" (blue & black singlet and AWA trunks) - Got Series 3 "Superfly" Jimmy Snuka - Got in Series 2 (But need a barefooted version) Ric Flair (probably won't happen until he's done with TNA) Triple H (2001 & Debut attires) Undertaker (debut) - Got (Entrance Greats) Chris Jericho - Got (Entrance Greats) Rick Martel (AWA champion & as Garea's WWF Tag Partner) Tito Santana (blue trunks) Greg "the Hammer" Valentine (black trunks) "Superstar" Billy Graham (purple tye-dye) Jesse "the Body" Ventura (CS21 attire) Taz (ECW singlet, but'll probably never happen) Cactus Jack (probably won't happen until he's done with TNA) Sgt Slaughter - got in Series 1(need a black attred version) Andre the Giant Big John Studd King Kong Bundy Cheif Jay Strongbow (multicolored trunks) Ultimat Warrior (any attire) - Got Series 4, DM & Ser 6 Iron Sheik - Got in Series 2 & 2-Pack Nikoli Volkoff - Got in 2-Pack Mr Fuji (wrestling attire) Cowboy Bob Orton (green trunks) - Got in Legends 2-Pack HBK (any Classic attire) Razor Ramon (green attire)
Tag Teams - Hart Foundation (any attire) Steiner Brothers (WM IX attires) Road Warriors - Got in Series 1 (But red & black repaints would be awesome) British Bulldogs (WM II or WM III attires) Executioners (Studd & Kowalski) Brain Busters (red trunks) Fabulous Freebirds (all in trunks) Rockers - coming Demolition - Got in Series 4 Wild Samoans US Express Strike Force
Managers - Bobby "the Brain" Heenan -DM w/ weasel suit Captain Lou Albano Mouth of the South Jimmy Hart - w/ megaphone Mr Fuji
Never made by Jakks - Pedro Morales (red & orange trunks) Pat Patterson Kerry Von Erich (blue trunks) - coming Kevin Von Erich (white trunks) - coming David Von Erich (green trunks) Ricky Steamboat (WMIII attire) - got in Legends Series 1 Billy Jack Haynes (green and gold) Hercules Hernandez (black trunks) Mr Saito (like Mr Fuji's attire but with boots) Tony Garea (blue trunks with red trim) Billy White Wolf Macho Man (WM III attire) - coming in Series 5 & got in DM Grand Wizard
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Post by irongeek on Apr 22, 2011 10:06:09 GMT -5
If Mattel would have made the figures in iconic attires and started the two packs off with some intelligence then we wouldn't be having this discussion. First off FIRE who ever wanted to make that god awful Snuka, or whose idea it was to release a non cano Sarge or a non long haired Rick Rude. Also If they were strategic with the two packs and released tag team champions with their belts then everyone would want them, demolition, volkoff and sheik, hart foundation all of these with belts would have been great. the bushwackers? C'mon man. As much as I can't stand the idea of a legends line being wrestlers from the late 90s and wrestlers from the early 2000s I think even I have to admit it would be smart to release a big lineup to generate sales. When I saw the lineup for Legends 6 I thought we were in trouble, An Eddie Guerrero figure? who the hell is that? BIG SKIP. More importantly and Eddie Guerrero figure before Andre? or Brett hart? or 2 Kerry Von erichs and 2 Iron shieks before 1 Andre? doesn't make sense. Legends 4 and 5 are perfect Legends 6 is a complete skip for me. Mattel has to realize that they have to short pack and mix eras, most people would buy a HBK, Undertaker, HHH or the Rock, I wouldn't buy any of them but I would buy a Junk yard dog and did buy Hillbilly Jim. If they mixed the sets to appeal to the majority and still threw in the odd King Harley Race, Big John Studd, King Kong Bundy, Honkey tonk man,Brutus Beefcake or Greg the Hammer figure for the hardcore 80s fans then everybody wins, and for sake make the attire iconic to start with, you can always go back and do another version. I would love to have a Jake the snake, Snuka , Rick Rude or Sgt Slaughter all of which I skipped hoping they would make a new version with better attire.
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Post by irongeek on Apr 22, 2011 10:15:04 GMT -5
Oh Yeah and as much as I like the DM, cancel it, too expensive. Just bump the Legends line to 6 and be smart and mix eras. short pack the obvious pegwarmers ( the best figures in the wave, rick martel etc.)
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Post by dr on Apr 22, 2011 10:18:56 GMT -5
First of all, please stop your "I only collect guys that Jakks hasn´t done yet" whining. I really can´t stand it anymore!
I only collect legends. I´m 32 years old and think that the 80´s were the best era ever. Therefore my first suggestion to Mattel: Give us more great guys from the 80´s, the golden era of Wrestling!
Even though I did not like the Attitude era and start puking everytime some kid is demanding more Attitude era guys, I suggest to mix every new set with 80´s and Attitude era guys to make every wave appealing to a wider audience. Put every now and then a guy from a sooner era in (70´s or before) to keep the appeal to the die hard collector.
Stop the Defining Moments line and concentrate fully on the Legends line for vintage guys.
Bring out more guys that Jakks haven´t made. I don´t get it, but it seems as if many people just want to complete their crappy Jakks collection and don´t want to buy the same guys twice from Jakks and Mattel. I own a close to complete Jakks CS collection but nonetheless have collected every single Mattel Legend up to date. Why? Because I think the Mattel product is the best Wrestling figure we ever had. Furthermore I love complete collections. It makes no difference for me if I already have one certain guy from Jakks or not, I buy each and every Mattel figure! Therefore I was very disappointed, that the 2-packs were cancelled and the characters went from 6 to 4. I also don´t like the frequency of the new line ups. In my perfect world there would be one set every month with 6 figures and 3 new 2-packs every other month. I´d buy them all!
What else could Mattel do? Throw in more classic championships! Sing more big names and reuse them in their different attires. And, most importantly, show us die hard collectors that you´re standing behind your product and that we could trust your product. Nothing is more turning down for me than to know that a line is started and then suddenly cancelled. No matter what you do in the future, as long as you keep the quality standard as high as in the last 5 legends series, I´ll buy each and every legend´s figure! But give me the feeling, that this line will last forever!
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Post by irongeek on Apr 22, 2011 10:22:17 GMT -5
^^^^^^ BINGO!!!
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Post by vertan on Apr 22, 2011 10:25:38 GMT -5
Definitely some Divas! Trish, Lita, Chyna, Sable and Sunny are all wanted.
- Vertan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 10:27:10 GMT -5
Why does everyone Keep mentioning the kids? This is an Adult Collector Line. Kids would buy Doink the clown over One man Gang only because its a clown. lol. The kids might know attitude guys a little better but this line is Geared to the adult collector, So Sell it that way.
I Really Hope Legends Continue, Were at Legends six and havent even seen HBK or undertaker in the elite legends when mattel has had them on contract since day 1. Mattel, Legends six is gonna bomb hard, be prepared for that. Start over at 7 , Big names, less accessories, lower price. Be Strategic , for gods sake , do your homework!! go watch some old PPV's ... Summerslams, survivor series, wrestlemanias, royal rumbles....
If you cant learn from Jakks successes then maybe hire someone from WWE to tell you who was popular as faces, and who was infamous as heels... and directly who would sell...
I Hope this gets settled soon, im bored without any new product
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Post by threehgame on Apr 22, 2011 10:31:29 GMT -5
Pull the line and start a legends line forsale online with the best level of detail and accessories. Legends do not move here, series 1-4 can be found on pegs.
EDIT: Also I have many of the Jakks CS figures. There are only a few Legends I would buy in the Mattel series, unless they are REALLY well done. Half of what I have seen on the pegs has been lackluster.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 10:33:26 GMT -5
First of all, please stop your "I only collect guys that Jakks hasn´t done yet" whining. I really can´t stand it anymore! I only collect legends. I´m 32 years old and think that the 80´s were the best era ever. Therefore my first suggestion to Mattel: Give us more great guys from the 80´s, the golden era of Wrestling! Even though I did not like the Attitude era and start puking everytime some kid is demanding more Attitude era guys, I suggest to mix every new set with 80´s and Attitude era guys to make every wave appealing to a wider audience. Put every now and then a guy from a sooner era in (70´s or before) to keep the appeal to the die hard collector. Stop the Defining Moments line and concentrate fully on the Legends line for vintage guys. Bring out more guys that Jakks haven´t made. I don´t get it, but it seems as if many people just want to complete their crappy Jakks collection and don´t want to buy the same guys twice from Jakks and Mattel. I own a close to complete Jakks CS collection but nonetheless have collected every single Mattel Legend up to date. Why? Because I think the Mattel product is the best Wrestling figure we ever had. Furthermore I love complete collections. It makes no difference for me if I already have one certain guy from Jakks or not, I buy each and every Mattel figure! Therefore I was very disappointed, that the 2-packs were cancelled and the characters went from 6 to 4. I also don´t like the frequency of the new line ups. In my perfect world there would be one set every month with 6 figures and 3 new 2-packs every other month. I´d buy them all! What else could Mattel do? Throw in more classic championships! Sing more big names and reuse them in their different attires. And, most importantly, show us die hard collectors that you´re standing behind your product and that we could trust your product. Nothing is more turning down for me than to know that a line is started and then suddenly cancelled. No matter what you do in the future, as long as you keep the quality standard as high as in the last 5 legends series, I´ll buy each and every legend´s figure! But give me the feeling, that this line will last forever! We sit here speculating for months, Mattel doesnt so much as post a word. then last night bill writes that legends has terrible sales .... and now were back to speculation. Very unprofessional imo, Stand behind your product. Terrible Sales are no ones fault but mattels marketing , Fix the problem and keep the fans up to date. I Think The Fans Would Like to Know what you plan on doing to Fix this problem. The line will get more popular with better line up choices and a price fix, But let us at least feel we can trust in the line up and that were not just wasting our money. If i didnt already buy every legends i probably wouldnt buy a single figure until i knew the line was going to continue or not
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Post by stonecold316 on Apr 22, 2011 10:36:43 GMT -5
First off, morning guys. I literally just got up, so reading this is helping greatly. Secondly, can someone post Bill's post from last night?
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Post by rude1awakening on Apr 22, 2011 10:42:10 GMT -5
I think I am a little different then most.
With Jakks I only collected Classics but now with Mattel I have EGs, DMs, Elites, and Legends so I have to pick and choose who i really want b\c of cost and space.
There are really only a handful of big names that people continue to mention and I do want Bret, Andre, Hogan etc but it annoyed the hell out of me when Jakks had 6 or however many different Bret Hart versions it seemed like every set had one.
I really like the Akeem with his robe as opposed to the Jakks version so i don't want them to start skimping but at the same time i will have to pick and choose who i want.
For example I love the George Steele but I wanted Warrior and Demolition and I wasn't prepared to drop 60 on 4 figs.
If DMs went away I may be more likely to buy another Legend figure but I like DM so I can't say I want it to be discontinued.
I would still love to see Legend Tag Teams even done in as singles, but it does frustrate me.
For Example, would people by Ax and not Smash or vice versa? Probably not and it did seem like every time I went hunting I only found 1 or the other. Logistics aside I would love to see 4 singles and 1 team as a set in every line.
If I was going to but more Legends you would have to stop making everything that I like so I have more money and room. ;D
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Post by threehgame on Apr 22, 2011 10:45:12 GMT -5
First off FIRE who ever wanted to make that god awful Snuka, or whose idea it was to release a non cano Sarge or a non long haired Rick Rude. Also If they were strategic with the two packs and released tag team champions with their belts then everyone would want them, demolition, volkoff and sheik, hart foundation all of these with belts would have been great. the bushwackers? C'mon man. Dude, calm down a little bit. Bill from Mattel designed that Snuka figure. With all the PMs and bitching he has had to deal with saying things like that could turn him off from even listening to what we have to say. Mattel wanted to space the big names out so we looked forward to each new wave as so many of us said we weren't going to buy a figure that was to close to the CS figure.
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Post by irongeek on Apr 22, 2011 10:50:50 GMT -5
from zombieapocalypse
"We sit here speculating for months, Mattel doesnt so much as post a word. then last night bill writes that legends has terrible sales .... and now were back to speculation.
Very unprofessional imo, Stand behind your product. Terrible Sales are no ones fault but mattels marketing , Fix the problem and keep the fans up to date. I Think The Fans Would Like to Know what you plan on doing to Fix this problem.
The line will get more popular with better line up choices and a price fix, But let us at least feel we can trust in the line up and that were not just wasting our money. If i didnt already buy every legends i probably wouldnt buy a single figure until i knew the line was going to continue or not"
I agree totally, This is all Mattels fault. Marketing and so on, If someone doesn't buy a ford truck or a Mcdonalds big mac you don't fault the consumer you fault Ford and McDonalds, this is a marketing strategy gone wrong. Bad attires, poor choices to launch the line. series 1 should have been Andre, Piper, Warrior, Savage, Undertaker and Jake the snake with a two pack of Demolition with belts.I want to continue buying them but if this line is going to end or even worse turn into a HBK, HHH, Rock, Undertaker attitude or whatever the hell era that is or even worse a Macho man and Warrior variant line then just kill it. This is suppose to be a Legends line, it should focus on the 80s mainly and sprinkle in the odd 70s and use the late 90s and early 2000s to draw in casual consumers to buy the names i mentioned above to keep the line going.
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