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Post by STOMWIJF on Apr 23, 2011 6:08:49 GMT -5
How would you rate Ultimate Warrior's WWF title run?
He did have 4 of the best heels of all time (IMO) to work with : Rude, Savage, DiBiase and Hennig... 5 if you consider Honky.. but he isn't considered a real worker.
Would it have been more memorable if it would have been longer and he had been given the chance to defend the title against Savage at WM7?
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Post by Rog on Apr 23, 2011 6:54:05 GMT -5
I think Warriors reign was decent but was hampered by a few outside things.
Much like Savage's reign; Hogan was an issue. Though Savage's reign was a bit more memorable due to him teaming with Hogan (which also overshadowed him being champion at the same time; double edged sword) Warriors was hurt due to Hogan getting the top heel to fued with in Earthquake. Warrior just seemed pushed to the side and, as much respect as i have for Rude, Savage, DiBiase and Hennig; they weren't main guys (especially Savage and DiBiase who had slid down the card at this point) though they certaintly carried the Warrior which was probably the main reason they got put there.
The other thing was Vince's 'toning down' of the Warrior character. Making him appear more human, cutting down on his facepaint at times etc etc. This gimmick is not meant to be tamed and i think this hurt him as well.
The main thing i would have changed though is made the Summerslam '90 match against Savage instead of Rude. As good as Rude was at getting a match out of Warrior; Savage was better and him being a former World Champion made him seem like more of a threat (though granted Rude did have a pinfall victory over Warrior.)
I think it was a decent reign but definetly hampered by Vince still putting all his egg's in the Hogan basket, much like Savage got. The most memorable thing was him winning the belt and not much else.
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Post by Raine on Apr 23, 2011 7:31:54 GMT -5
I'd give it a 6/10 due to the Hogan factor.
Warrior had a better 1991 than his championship year 1990 for feuds. In 1991 he feuded with Savage, Undertaker and would have been heel Jake, if Warrior hadn't been a silly billy at Summerslam and tried to hold up Vince. From Summerslam 1990 on Warrior's run was dire, after a departing Rick Rude, he got stuck in 6 man matches with L.O.D against the Demo's, didn't even have a proper team captain to oppose at Survivors 90 (Perfect was Tornado's feud), then was told to drop the strap to recently unretired 43 year old Sgt (S)laughter. Once he dropped the belt business picked up again I felt.
As was said Warrior's most memorable moment as champ was when he won it at WM 6.
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Post by Burger Lad on Apr 23, 2011 7:55:27 GMT -5
I started watching WWF right in the middle of his run and as a 12 year old boy I thought he was amazing - the music, the attire, the facepaint, interviews and the way he would squash people made me really believe in him being champion and unstoppable.
I agree the most memorable moment was WM6 and winning it - even though Hogan still managed to take some of the spotlight from him after the match.
As a kid I always wondered where he had gone after Summerslam (no internet/spoilers to reveal what happened) and they didn't mention him on TV. WM8 when that music played during Sid/Hogan I think I actually punched a wall in excitement.
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Post by koreygunz on Apr 23, 2011 11:46:23 GMT -5
As has been said, I think Warrior's run was sub par, but not neccessarily by fault of his own. Due to Hogan still being the "star," Warrior lost out on some of the spotlight and high profile fueds. The SSlam match with Rude was fine, but he then should have probably moved onto a feud with Earthquake (who could have still be kept strong after the Hogan feud) or even into a feud with Mr. Perfect or Savage. As was already pointed out, Warrior didnt even have a defined feud at Survivor Series that year, and then dropped the title two months later at Rumble. I've heard the plan was as first to do Warrior/Hogan 2 at WMania 7, but Hogan didnt want to work with him. Then it was due to be Warrior/Savage and Hogan/Sarge, but Warrior's would still be the champ going in. Hogan convinced Vince to have Sarge win the title so the "America vs Iraq" match would be for the title. Looking back, considering that even in his last event at SSlam 91 before he was fired that he was in the main event teaming with Hogan instead of in a singles match, Warrior was really kind of given the shaft as soon as he won the title at WM 6. Even though he had the strap, I dont think Vince had any intention of replacing Hogan as "the guy," and Warrior suffered for it.
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 23, 2011 12:58:15 GMT -5
oh,don't get me  ing started!!!  Warrior was as over as Hogan in late 1999/ early 1990....he could have,hell SHOULD have been a top star for years to come....but backstage politics along with no "defining" feud until AFTER he lost the belt sabotaged his reign.... i always laughed when people made fun of and complained about his promo's , forgetting Hogan's were out there as well,covering everything from swimming on the back's of sharks down to the wreckage of the titanic,to my personal favorite of saying after he bodyslammed Andre at WrestleMania IV that the eastern seaboard would crack,Atlantic City would fall into the ocean,and Donald Trump would let go of all his material possessions ( HA!) ,grab the wife and kids,and hold onto Hogan's biceps while he dogpaddled the Atlantic Ocean to safety... |
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Post by machomadness on Apr 23, 2011 14:29:50 GMT -5
oh,don't get me ing started!!! Warrior was as over as Hogan in late 1999/ early 1990....he could have,hell SHOULD have been a top star for years to come....but backstage politics along with no "defining" feud until AFTER he lost the belt sabotaged his reign.... i always laughed when people made fun of and complained about his promo's , forgetting Hogan's were out there as well,covering everything from swimming on the back's of sharks down to the wreckage of the titanic,to my personal favorite of saying after he bodyslammed Andre at WrestleMania IV that the eastern seaboard would crack,Atlantic City would fall into the ocean,and Donald Trump would let go of all his material possessions ( HA!) ,grab the wife and kids,and hold onto Hogan's biceps while he dogpaddled the Atlantic Ocean to safety... You do bring up great points about the promos, however, while I do think Warrior was over.....very over....I dont think he was Hogan over. I still think in the long run Hogan was going to be the guy. He always had the "it". Backstage politics or not. |
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Apr 23, 2011 14:47:49 GMT -5
I wasn't a fan back then, but i do agree that the most memoral thing Warrior did during his reign was actually winning it, and even then, like someone said Hogan still took the spotlight. I'm a fan of Warrior, really like the character and the whole concept of him, but I don't know how over he was, or really how over Hogan was tbh, sure he was over, but to appreciate it you would really have to look back and have experience.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2011 15:46:23 GMT -5
if Warrior had got the Earthquake feud his reign would have been different IMO.
sadly it wasnt very memorable due to all the issues listed above.
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Post by twinn on Apr 23, 2011 15:52:13 GMT -5
Yeah it's unfortunate how Vince/Hogan screwed his Heavyweight Title reign up. It should have been so much better than it was. The Ultimate Warrior was by far my favorite wrestler as a kid and when I think of him I always think of him holding the Intercontinental Title rather than holding the Heavyweight Title
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Post by steel on Apr 23, 2011 17:35:44 GMT -5
It was an interesting gimmick that unfortunately would have been better as a special attraction wrestler than that of a champion IMHO.
His style and lack of technical prowess didn't leave him or his opponents too much to work with, so I'd honestly have to say it was sub-par for said reasons which is not based on a personal preference or bias of any sort towards the man himself. It was what it was, rather single dimensioned.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 23, 2011 23:24:43 GMT -5
I never cared much for him, but his title reign was red hot. After cleanly beating Hogan, nothing was going to top that. When 1990 ended, Warrior was in perfect position to be Hulk's successor.
What diminishes Warrior's reign was 1) it ended via Sgt. Slaughter, who should have been no where near the main event and 2) the fact that Warrior was gone 6 months later and instead of 1990 being his springboard, it was a fast fizzle.
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Post by hbkrules on Apr 24, 2011 0:46:42 GMT -5
The only answer to this is that it was a failure. He was supposed to be the new hogan and he didn't draw like hogan. He beat hogan clean for the title (something no one had done in a decade) and he still did not draw as a champ. Had it been a succes he would have had the belt for longer.
The only way to possibly say it was a success is if you were a kid during this time and are blinded by nostalgia and childhood memories.
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Post by LeighD on Apr 24, 2011 21:18:01 GMT -5
I was a HUGE Warrior fan. Loved his attires, facepaint, music, etc. I'm not as much as a fan today but still like certain matches. Looking back, I think Warrior reached his peak at WM VI when he pinned Hogan. He was the ONLY person to main event a WrestleMania as the IC Champion. His feud with Rude was a good choice but i think they needed to have kept it slightly beyond SummerSlam. Plus he needed to have another major feud after Rude instead of teaming with LOD in six-man tag team matches against Demolition.
I think had the whole Desert Storm sitaution never happened, I think Warrior's reign would have lasted to WrestleMania where he would've faced Hogan or Savage.
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Post by bountyhunterblood5 on Apr 25, 2011 10:50:24 GMT -5
5/10 Warrior had no in ring skill but neither did Hogan but Hogan had a poop load of chastima.
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Post by BCizzle on Apr 25, 2011 11:59:27 GMT -5
Hogan did the same thing to Warrior that he did to Goldberg in WCW. That's the Hogan way.
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Post by machomadness on Apr 25, 2011 12:21:43 GMT -5
I brought this up to a "casual" wrestling fan that watched back in the days and asked if he thought it was a failure and why and he simply replied...Yes, because of Sting. I was completely lost at that point cause Sting didnt have a damn thing to do with the WWF at the time but then he explained to me......Hulk Hogan was a larger the life character. Nobody was ever going to be able to replace him in his "spot" in wrestling or wrestling history.....which I believe is true. So next you had to just go with an entertainment value. He then asked me what got Warrior over with kids. Bright colors, electric energy but that was about it. Then he explained that at least half of america (probably the south) was a "twin" in the Warrior (Sting) that had the bright colors, electric energy but also had talent in the ring and was an above average to good talker on the mic. On top of that, Stings feuds were with the "main" guy where Warrior's feuds were seemingly with career mid carders. He thought that maybe, just maybe when a fan tuned in on a Saturday and saw Sting being an overall better talent, that it drew them back away from Warrior as for the first time the WWF champion could be seen as "second best" by more then just some NWA fans.
It was kinda interesting, and totally out there with his opinion, but for some scary reason.....it made sense too.
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Post by k5 on Apr 25, 2011 17:19:19 GMT -5
I brought this up to a "casual" wrestling fan that watched back in the days and asked if he thought it was a failure and why and he simply replied...Yes, because of Sting. I was completely lost at that point cause Sting didnt have a damn thing to do with the WWF at the time but then he explained to me......Hulk Hogan was a larger the life character. Nobody was ever going to be able to replace him in his "spot" in wrestling or wrestling history.....which I believe is true. So next you had to just go with an entertainment value. He then asked me what got Warrior over with kids. Bright colors, electric energy but that was about it. Then he explained that at least half of america (probably the south) was a "twin" in the Warrior (Sting) that had the bright colors, electric energy but also had talent in the ring and was an above average to good talker on the mic. On top of that, Stings feuds were with the "main" guy where Warrior's feuds were seemingly with career mid carders. He thought that maybe, just maybe when a fan tuned in on a Saturday and saw Sting being an overall better talent, that it drew them back away from Warrior as for the first time the WWF champion could be seen as "second best" by more then just some NWA fans. It was kinda interesting, and totally out there with his opinion, but for some scary reason.....it made sense too. ironic, considering they were once a tag team. |
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Post by machomadness on Apr 25, 2011 17:36:31 GMT -5
I brought this up to a "casual" wrestling fan that watched back in the days and asked if he thought it was a failure and why and he simply replied...Yes, because of Sting. I was completely lost at that point cause Sting didnt have a damn thing to do with the WWF at the time but then he explained to me......Hulk Hogan was a larger the life character. Nobody was ever going to be able to replace him in his "spot" in wrestling or wrestling history.....which I believe is true. So next you had to just go with an entertainment value. He then asked me what got Warrior over with kids. Bright colors, electric energy but that was about it. Then he explained that at least half of america (probably the south) was a "twin" in the Warrior (Sting) that had the bright colors, electric energy but also had talent in the ring and was an above average to good talker on the mic. On top of that, Stings feuds were with the "main" guy where Warrior's feuds were seemingly with career mid carders. He thought that maybe, just maybe when a fan tuned in on a Saturday and saw Sting being an overall better talent, that it drew them back away from Warrior as for the first time the WWF champion could be seen as "second best" by more then just some NWA fans. It was kinda interesting, and totally out there with his opinion, but for some scary reason.....it made sense too. ironic, considering they were once a tag team. It is kinda funny thinking about it. I mean, most people didnt know back then Warrior and Sting use to be a tag team and the fact some people were comparing Warrior....not to Hogan, but a guy wrestling in a complete different company, was totally baffling to me. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 25, 2011 21:51:09 GMT -5
I brought this up to a "casual" wrestling fan that watched back in the days and asked if he thought it was a failure and why and he simply replied...Yes, because of Sting. I was completely lost at that point cause Sting didnt have a damn thing to do with the WWF at the time but then he explained to me......Hulk Hogan was a larger the life character. Nobody was ever going to be able to replace him in his "spot" in wrestling or wrestling history.....which I believe is true. So next you had to just go with an entertainment value. He then asked me what got Warrior over with kids. Bright colors, electric energy but that was about it. Then he explained that at least half of america (probably the south) was a "twin" in the Warrior ( Sting) that had the bright colors, electric energy but also had talent in the ring and was an above average to good talker on the mic. On . You seriously think Sting had promo skills? The guy constantly tripped over his own tongue. I remember him trying to get over the name "Dudes with Attitudes" for he and Luger (and maybe a couple of other guys) but after one promo where he kept calling the group "Attitudes with Dudes" (I kid you not), the plans were scrapped. I also remember a WCW Main Event promo where he completely forgot what he was going to say and just started screaming jibberish that sounded like "Argahlalrala-blahblah!". The biggest thing Sting had over Warrior was that he was a natural athlete. He was often sloppy because he was so energetic in the ring (he was a lot like Cena in this way) but his moveset was somewhat diverse. Warrior did simplistic moves that were masked by his constantly flailing and jerking. He never seemed to have the body control that Sting had. |
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