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Post by Raine on Aug 8, 2007 9:56:12 GMT -5
Is the reason the WWE is in a slump, because there is no longer an ECW to use for creativity, when it comes to storylines? I mean the era between 1992 - 1996, the WWF was bland, still using superheroes and cartoonish characters they used back in the 80's. I agree this worked for a time when Hogan was on top but once Hogan started winding down in 1992, the WWF became stale because they had no new ideas. Then in 1995 ECW came to promenance started doing things that hadn't been seen before, which Vince & Bischoff obviously took notice over (WCW more with the wrestlers than storylines) then once Vince started using stuff similar to that in ECW the Attitude era was born and the WWF skyrocketed just as it did 1985 - 1991. But since ECW closed its doors in 2001 Vince has been doing the same sort of TV for the last 6 years, nothing that really captivates us anymore, and is this because ECW was so cutting edge that since its been gone Vince doesn't really have any other ideas?
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Post by carly1988 on Aug 8, 2007 11:15:05 GMT -5
I agree but at the same time i have to disagree. The attitude era was more of a "soap opra" era. Thats not what the fans are looking for anymore. We dont want to see whos sleeping with who or what hero is gonna dawn the stars and stripes...We want to see WRESTLING and WWE just simply isnt doing that. They are more worried about entertainment then wrestling
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Post by moogie101 on Aug 8, 2007 16:16:02 GMT -5
Yeah the Attutide era was influenced strongly by ECW's harder hitting more adult style in terms of wrestling & storylines but I believe it was so popular due to the stars involved.
In WWE you had some of the biggest stars in the Industry at their creative peaks, guys like Austin, Rock & Foley and a whole lot more
I think what hurts WWE right now is a lack of competition which helps to drive them, TNA despite what fans might say (and I'm a fan) is nowhere close & so WWE is just coasting along with a substandard produict in my eyes for last few years.
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Post by Chicago on Aug 8, 2007 22:13:55 GMT -5
It's cyclical.
Other than saying it's because of one major performer grabbing the public's attention, I don't know how you can reason why it took nearly 10 years for another boom period to occur. I REALLY doubt WWE, TNA and the rest will experience another period as big as the Rock N' Wrestling era or the Attitude era; maybe something close to it, but I believe wrestling's better years (meaning, the casual fan uprising) are behind us.
Especially with Benoit's death and the media's approach towards pro-wrestling lately, I don't think having another wrestling promotion around would help the cause. I don't know what solution would be needed, because we sure can't expect millions of people to start craving hardcore violence and sex again like fans watched for in the late 90's. I would imagine someone will hit the nail on the head one day, find something that everybody loves watching and will incorporate wrestling into it to bring new fans in. WWE is just in a rebuilding stage, attempting to create new stars like the Rock or Stone Cold, we'll just have to wait it out and see if things get better.
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Post by Too Sweet on Aug 9, 2007 1:35:47 GMT -5
I have to agree with you on that one, but I really think WWE is in a Slump right now because there is no Competition, sure there is TNA, but Taping Impact and Doing PPV's in Orlando for most of the time isn't really going to help you.
But its also how we see wrestling today, I really think now nothing Exiting really happens, sure the Odd wrestler going to a new company, but Wrestling wise theres nothing new, Double Frontflips are now Possible, people are doing the Canadian Destroyer, People leaping off 20 FT Ladders or Buildings ect...
I mean when people saw Mankind fall off the top of the Hell in a Cell cage and Landed onto the Commentators Table people were talking about for Weeks, but now you see Guys like Zandig in CZW Slamming guys from the Top of a Building onto Stacked tables and Sheets of Glass, and people will talk about it for a couple of days.
To me now Wrestling is the Same old Sh*t, I really think they need to improve on the Storylines to keep the Product fresh.
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Post by class316 on Aug 9, 2007 8:53:12 GMT -5
I agree but at the same time i have to disagree. The attitude era was more of a "soap opra" era. Thats not what the fans are looking for anymore. We dont want to see whos sleeping with who or what hero is gonna dawn the stars and stripes...We want to see WRESTLING and WWE just simply isnt doing that. They are more worried about entertainment then wrestling Entertainment just sells more than wrestling. Like it or not it's the truth. |
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Post by Raine on Aug 9, 2007 12:23:16 GMT -5
I remember reading interviews with Jake Roberts and Bobby Heenan saying that everything has been done in wrestling with regards to massive bumps, music and celebrity tie-ins and gimmicked matches. Because everyone has seen it and it doesn't intrigue people anymore because its all been done, therefore wrestling will have to go back to pure wrestling as a sort of cooling off period before another boom period occurs. Perhaps if Vince focuses more on the in ring product by putting on world class matches, perhaps business will pick up again. And it ain't gonna start by using the likes of Snitsky & Big Daddy V.
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Post by caveman on Aug 10, 2007 1:45:47 GMT -5
Wait a minute. Bug Daddy V (Mabel) has been around the whole time now. Regardless of quality of wrestling matches, there will always be guys like Big Daddy V, Andre, Haystacks Calhoun, etc.
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Post by Raine on Aug 10, 2007 9:22:50 GMT -5
Mabel has been around a while but I heard they are possibly gonna push him to the moon in ECW as a monster heel then transfer him to SD or RAW as a main eventer. This guy was never over as King Mabel in 1995 and now its 12 years later and he still sucks. Can you imagine Batista vs Big Daddy V? It'd be awful. I think due to the steroid situation we could see smaller guys get pushes rather than the roid monsters such as Chris Masters, etc
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Post by gtm on Aug 16, 2007 6:29:44 GMT -5
wwe just needs austin ha
nah but wwe really need a majour star that is known the world over
there biggest newish star is cena, obviously theres micheals taker hhh flair etc but what i meen is newer younger talent
in todays wrestling there are no hogans, austins or rocks, there are lashelys batistas and cenas. all roided up guys who cant wrestle a decent match and have very little if any charisma (maybe that last comment doesnt apply as much to cena as he is rather charasmatic)
look at it this way, if a hogan austin match happend it would be the biggest match in the wwe for a good long time maybe since wmx8. does no one else think its a sad state of affairs that a guy who was in his prime in the 80's and a guy that peaked about a decade ago would still draw the biggest audience
wwe is in trouble , i dont beleve that the fact ecw doesnt exist anymore really is the reason
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Post by Raine on Aug 16, 2007 8:03:37 GMT -5
I can see your point, its just a shame we had Austin & The Rock at the same time, if we had one then the other maybe people would still have the same appetite for wrestling they did 5/6 years ago. Cena is charismatic I agree, but I just can't take to the guy, sorry. I'd prefer Lesnar to Cena
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Post by gtm on Aug 16, 2007 8:14:44 GMT -5
I can see your point, its just a shame we had Austin & The Rock at the same time, if we had one then the other maybe people would still have the same appetite for wrestling they did 5/6 years ago. Cena is charismatic I agree, but I just can't take to the guy, sorry. I'd prefer Lesnar to Cenayou will have no argument from me there 
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Post by WalterF on Aug 16, 2007 16:07:13 GMT -5
Yeah, WWE's main problem is no competition to push them. We don't know yet if TNA will get the point where they're really nipping at WWE's heels, but we need some federation to come bite WWE in the ass and force them to make a premium product like they used to.
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Post by CBT on Aug 16, 2007 16:56:42 GMT -5
I blame TNA for WWE's lack of creativity.
WWE does a good job at what they do, but they also don't look into the independent promotion, because they are just that- Independent promotions.
WWE has always considered competition as someone who goes head to head, and takes the butter of their bread. That butter being the ratings.
So yeah, I think TNA lack-luster programming leaves WWE Creative to sit in a room and think, "W.W.V.W.- What Would Vince Want?"
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