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Post by BCizzle on Jun 4, 2011 17:10:36 GMT -5
March-October = 2 months Guess he doesn't know how to count lol. Im glad i havent bought any TNA figs. Mattel gets like 8 basic sets out plus ppv sets while jakks on gets 4 out. You do the math and tell me who is the better company. They got pushed back 2 MORE months. There, you d-bags happy? Slappy is really the most worthless obnoxious poster I've ever seen on these boards.
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Post by mrhoss on Jun 4, 2011 18:11:44 GMT -5
Let's face it, Jakks had this line screwed up from the very beginning. The first series should have been out on Jan 1, 2010 just like Mattel's WWE. They are using the same bodies as they had with the WWE all they changed was packaging and headsculpts, how could there be all these delays. Is there a reason why Jakks didn't continue their LOTR line using the exact packaging of their WWE Classics figures? Wouldn't that have kept continuity with fans and stores? Any momentum they had as producers of WWE product was completely lost at day 1.
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Post by LeighD on Jun 4, 2011 20:05:01 GMT -5
Obviously if Jakks could control it they would. They are in the business of making money, and you know that.. So why do you people on here always assume its just something to piss off the collector? Don't be so irrational over toys, there are plenty of other things to take more seriously... FINALLY a word of reason. Iy always seem that as soon as JAKKS delays something or pushes something back it because "JAKKS wants to piss off the collectors" but nothing rational. I'm seriously doubting many of you have never taken a business course, let alone have a degree is business. So It shouldn't come as a surprise to me 90% of this board doesn't understand a business model. So I'll give it to you in a nutshell. JAKKS, Mattel, and any production company needs many different things to succesfully plan, coordinate, purchase, design, produce and ship a final product. A VERY basic plan looks like this: - Designs, molds, and prototypes need to be made that MEET certain and many requirements - Raw materials need to be purchased, shipped and sorted into appropriate production locations - A laborer force needs to be obtained - A schedule needs to be planned in order to coordinate what products are going to be made when, where, and for how long. - The production schedule now needs to be based on shipping schedules (why produce a product if it cannot be shipped to the right warehouses for another 5 months!) - Retail levels need to notified as to when shipments from warehouses are scheduled to arrive so they can plan and allocate shelf space Now Let's say DI 6 was ready to start into production, but TNA wants it to be with the new logo and name.`This basically knocks it almost back to squate one. New packaging needs to be designed and inputed into the company's operating systems. Now this can screw up the planned production schedule as JAKKS produces TONS of other produces (this may come as a surprise tp many of you) So DI 6 now gets pushed back to a time frame that the production plants to fit it in to without or with minor delaying of other products. However JAKKS may use that time previously held for DI 6 and produce an new RSC exclusive because they can easily produce a single or 2-pack in limited numbers rather than a full retal level size set of 5 or 6 figures. Hope this sheds some light of these delays
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Post by mrhoss on Jun 4, 2011 20:44:50 GMT -5
Obviously if Jakks could control it they would. They are in the business of making money, and you know that.. So why do you people on here always assume its just something to piss off the collector? Don't be so irrational over toys, there are plenty of other things to take more seriously... FINALLY a word of reason. Iy always seem that as soon as JAKKS delays something or pushes something back it because "JAKKS wants to piss off the collectors" but nothing rational. I'm seriously doubting many of you have never taken a business course, let alone have a degree is business. So It shouldn't come as a surprise to me 90% of this board doesn't understand a business model. So I'll give it to you in a nutshell. JAKKS, Mattel, and any production company needs many different things to succesfully plan, coordinate, purchase, design, produce and ship a final product. A VERY basic plan looks like this: - Designs, molds, and prototypes need to be made that MEET certain and many requirements - Raw materials need to be purchased, shipped and sorted into appropriate production locations - A laborer force needs to be obtained - A schedule needs to be planned in order to coordinate what products are going to be made when, where, and for how long. - The production schedule now needs to be based on shipping schedules (why produce a product if it cannot be shipped to the right warehouses for another 5 months!) - Retail levels need to notified as to when shipments from warehouses are scheduled to arrive so they can plan and allocate shelf space Now Let's say DI 6 was ready to start into production, but TNA wants it to be with the new logo and name.`This basically knocks it almost back to squate one. New packaging needs to be designed and inputed into the company's operating systems. Now this can screw up the planned production schedule as JAKKS produces TONS of other produces (this may come as a surprise tp many of you) So DI 6 now gets pushed back to a time frame that the production plants to fit it in to without or with minor delaying of other products. However JAKKS may use that time previously held for DI 6 and produce an new RSC exclusive because they can easily produce a single or 2-pack in limited numbers rather than a full retal level size set of 5 or 6 figures. Hope this sheds some light of these delays Jakks is an experienced toy company. They did not start at ground zero. They had time to prepare. The basic figure production of TNA figures should not be much different than WWE figures. Now if they had marketing/promotion problems, I can believe that. Also, shame on TNA if they did not give their business associates a proper warning of a name/logo change.
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Post by gigidu59tantouze on Jun 4, 2011 20:45:02 GMT -5
W H A T ? WHY JAKKS ? WHY ? that suck
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Post by ckhybrid on Jun 4, 2011 21:08:39 GMT -5
FINALLY a word of reason. Iy always seem that as soon as JAKKS delays something or pushes something back it because "JAKKS wants to piss off the collectors" but nothing rational. I'm seriously doubting many of you have never taken a business course, let alone have a degree is business. So It shouldn't come as a surprise to me 90% of this board doesn't understand a business model. So I'll give it to you in a nutshell. JAKKS, Mattel, and any production company needs many different things to succesfully plan, coordinate, purchase, design, produce and ship a final product. A VERY basic plan looks like this: - Designs, molds, and prototypes need to be made that MEET certain and many requirements - Raw materials need to be purchased, shipped and sorted into appropriate production locations - A laborer force needs to be obtained - A schedule needs to be planned in order to coordinate what products are going to be made when, where, and for how long. - The production schedule now needs to be based on shipping schedules (why produce a product if it cannot be shipped to the right warehouses for another 5 months!) - Retail levels need to notified as to when shipments from warehouses are scheduled to arrive so they can plan and allocate shelf space Now Let's say DI 6 was ready to start into production, but TNA wants it to be with the new logo and name.`This basically knocks it almost back to squate one. New packaging needs to be designed and inputed into the company's operating systems. Now this can screw up the planned production schedule as JAKKS produces TONS of other produces (this may come as a surprise tp many of you) So DI 6 now gets pushed back to a time frame that the production plants to fit it in to without or with minor delaying of other products. However JAKKS may use that time previously held for DI 6 and produce an new RSC exclusive because they can easily produce a single or 2-pack in limited numbers rather than a full retal level size set of 5 or 6 figures. Hope this sheds some light of these delays Jakks is an experienced toy company. They did not start at ground zero. They had time to prepare. The basic figure production of TNA figures should not be much different than WWE figures. Now if they had marketing/promotion problems, I can believe that. Also, shame on TNA if they did not give their business associates a proper warning of a name/logo change. not to mention this has happened with pretty much every series, its excusable if it happens once or twice, for instance Mattel pushed back Legends 6 a month and most people didn't complain about that because Mattel hasn't had issues like that, but if it consistently happens for every single series, thats just ridiculous
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2011 21:44:49 GMT -5
I would rather wait and slowly collect them then having to drop money every month or 2. Mattel will eventually over saturate the market with their WWE figures and in about a year when everyone is on their 18th Randy Orton figure everyone will be singing a different tune.
Also it is obvious they are only doing 5 figures per series now and 1 of the 5 will be a legend.
It is like peoples shelves that they sit on is getting angry or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2011 21:47:57 GMT -5
Ahhhh not again , this company! Do they even care!?
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jun 5, 2011 2:15:45 GMT -5
This may not be entirely Jakks' fault...at least, in terms of why this keeps getting pushed back.
It's not like they get a kick out of losing potential money. This same issue came up with Sony during the PS3 hacking - the people who wanted PSN back up more than anyone was Sony, because they lost money whenever someone couldn't make a purchase. Anyway, if Jakks feel the interest isn't there at a widescale, or if their sales numbers didn't meet their expectations, they as a business have to make a call. I honestly still see Series 1 & 2 at most places. I've seen Legends of the Ring last month (including Sting). Nobody outside of TRU even has the 2-packs anymore. The line is undoubtedly not going as expected if they keep pushing things back.
Perhaps it's a TNA thing? TNA's original Toybiz line didn't do so hot after awhile. Maybe the mainstream interest (which isn't just us on WrestlingFigs) isn't there enough for them to do another wave yet? If that's the case, that's not their fault. Wrestling is in a bit of a less popular era right now, which puts TNA -an already niche market - at a disadvantage.
But, perhaps people on a widescale don't like the figure style. Jakks didn't evolve to a more realistic style, they stuck with the bulkier DA molds. I really don't want to bring Mattel into this, but A LOT of people moved onto them after the switch. Some collect both lines, some chose only one. Jakks losing WWE meant they were going to take a hit in sales regardless of what they did.
Bottom line though, Jakks really should come on here and tell us what's going on. If it's sluggish sales, production issues, lack of interest, repackaging, whatever it is...just keep the customers informed about why something they pre-ordered/had interest in purchasing keeps getting pushed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 4:42:22 GMT -5
Why was Doug Williams cancelled? Hes still with the company is he not?
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Post by LeighD on Jun 5, 2011 4:59:37 GMT -5
FINALLY a word of reason. Iy always seem that as soon as JAKKS delays something or pushes something back it because "JAKKS wants to piss off the collectors" but nothing rational. I'm seriously doubting many of you have never taken a business course, let alone have a degree is business. So It shouldn't come as a surprise to me 90% of this board doesn't understand a business model. So I'll give it to you in a nutshell. JAKKS, Mattel, and any production company needs many different things to succesfully plan, coordinate, purchase, design, produce and ship a final product. A VERY basic plan looks like this: - Designs, molds, and prototypes need to be made that MEET certain and many requirements - Raw materials need to be purchased, shipped and sorted into appropriate production locations - A laborer force needs to be obtained - A schedule needs to be planned in order to coordinate what products are going to be made when, where, and for how long. - The production schedule now needs to be based on shipping schedules (why produce a product if it cannot be shipped to the right warehouses for another 5 months!) - Retail levels need to notified as to when shipments from warehouses are scheduled to arrive so they can plan and allocate shelf space Now Let's say DI 6 was ready to start into production, but TNA wants it to be with the new logo and name.`This basically knocks it almost back to squate one. New packaging needs to be designed and inputed into the company's operating systems. Now this can screw up the planned production schedule as JAKKS produces TONS of other produces (this may come as a surprise tp many of you) So DI 6 now gets pushed back to a time frame that the production plants to fit it in to without or with minor delaying of other products. However JAKKS may use that time previously held for DI 6 and produce an new RSC exclusive because they can easily produce a single or 2-pack in limited numbers rather than a full retal level size set of 5 or 6 figures. Hope this sheds some light of these delays Jakks is an experienced toy company. They did not start at ground zero. They had time to prepare. The basic figure production of TNA figures should not be much different than WWE figures. Now if they had marketing/promotion problems, I can believe that. Also, shame on TNA if they did not give their business associates a proper warning of a name/logo change. Yes JAKKS is an experienced company. But there are SO MANY factors a company cannot control. Maybe there is a shortage of raw materials, or shipping arrangements were effected fromt he earthquake eariler this year. Maybe production plants have been shut down or laborer strikes or any number of problems. Granted i don't think TNA is as high on the priority pole as WWE was to JAKKS, so I don't think they will move a lot around for the TNA line. It is however JAKKS' fault for not informing people of WHY the delays are happening. On a brighter side, LOTR Terry Taylor is still on!
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Post by THE *Legendary* STINGER on Jun 5, 2011 5:10:09 GMT -5
I jumped ship when they cancled the MICROS. that was the only line i cared about.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 8:41:51 GMT -5
Why was Doug Williams cancelled? Hes still with the company is he not? there goes my interest in this wave.
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Post by Hemme-TNA on Jun 5, 2011 9:08:43 GMT -5
Why was Doug Williams cancelled? Hes still with the company is he not? there goes my interest in this wave. me too (with kaz)
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Post by deskjet on Jun 5, 2011 10:55:17 GMT -5
Let's face it, Jakks had this line screwed up from the very beginning. The first series should have been out on Jan 1, 2010 just like Mattel's WWE. They are using the same bodies as they had with the WWE all they changed was packaging and headsculpts, how could there be all these delays. Is there a reason why Jakks didn't continue their LOTR line using the exact packaging of their WWE Classics figures? Wouldn't that have kept continuity with fans and stores? Any momentum they had as producers of WWE product was completely lost at day 1. +1
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jun 5, 2011 11:30:21 GMT -5
shame this just has to happen over and over again
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jun 5, 2011 11:31:47 GMT -5
Obviously if Jakks could control it they would. They are in the business of making money, and you know that.. So why do you people on here always assume its just something to piss off the collector? Don't be so irrational over toys, there are plenty of other things to take more seriously... FINALLY a word of reason. Iy always seem that as soon as JAKKS delays something or pushes something back it because "JAKKS wants to piss off the collectors" but nothing rational. I'm seriously doubting many of you have never taken a business course, let alone have a degree is business. So It shouldn't come as a surprise to me 90% of this board doesn't understand a business model. So I'll give it to you in a nutshell. JAKKS, Mattel, and any production company needs many different things to succesfully plan, coordinate, purchase, design, produce and ship a final product. A VERY basic plan looks like this: - Designs, molds, and prototypes need to be made that MEET certain and many requirements - Raw materials need to be purchased, shipped and sorted into appropriate production locations - A laborer force needs to be obtained - A schedule needs to be planned in order to coordinate what products are going to be made when, where, and for how long. - The production schedule now needs to be based on shipping schedules (why produce a product if it cannot be shipped to the right warehouses for another 5 months!) - Retail levels need to notified as to when shipments from warehouses are scheduled to arrive so they can plan and allocate shelf space Now Let's say DI 6 was ready to start into production, but TNA wants it to be with the new logo and name.`This basically knocks it almost back to squate one. New packaging needs to be designed and inputed into the company's operating systems. Now this can screw up the planned production schedule as JAKKS produces TONS of other produces (this may come as a surprise tp many of you) So DI 6 now gets pushed back to a time frame that the production plants to fit it in to without or with minor delaying of other products. However JAKKS may use that time previously held for DI 6 and produce an new RSC exclusive because they can easily produce a single or 2-pack in limited numbers rather than a full retal level size set of 5 or 6 figures. Hope this sheds some light of these delays Hey d-bag business 101 keep your customers happy....they obviously havent done that.
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Post by Hemme-TNA on Jun 5, 2011 12:44:46 GMT -5
DI 1 - CTL 1 - DI 2 - CTL 2 - DI 3 - CTL 3- DI 4 - DI 5 - CTL 4 - DI 6 Were rejected ... and the wait is getting longer
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Post by jfinnomore on Jun 5, 2011 15:22:13 GMT -5
Obviously if Jakks could control it they would. They are in the business of making money, and you know that.. So why do you people on here always assume its just something to piss off the collector? Don't be so irrational over toys, there are plenty of other things to take more seriously... FINALLY a word of reason. Iy always seem that as soon as JAKKS delays something or pushes something back it because "JAKKS wants to piss off the collectors" but nothing rational. I'm seriously doubting many of you have never taken a business course, let alone have a degree is business. So It shouldn't come as a surprise to me 90% of this board doesn't understand a business model. So I'll give it to you in a nutshell. JAKKS, Mattel, and any production company needs many different things to succesfully plan, coordinate, purchase, design, produce and ship a final product. A VERY basic plan looks like this: - Designs, molds, and prototypes need to be made that MEET certain and many requirements - Raw materials need to be purchased, shipped and sorted into appropriate production locations - A laborer force needs to be obtained - A schedule needs to be planned in order to coordinate what products are going to be made when, where, and for how long. - The production schedule now needs to be based on shipping schedules (why produce a product if it cannot be shipped to the right warehouses for another 5 months!) - Retail levels need to notified as to when shipments from warehouses are scheduled to arrive so they can plan and allocate shelf space Now Let's say DI 6 was ready to start into production, but TNA wants it to be with the new logo and name.`This basically knocks it almost back to squate one. New packaging needs to be designed and inputed into the company's operating systems. Now this can screw up the planned production schedule as JAKKS produces TONS of other produces (this may come as a surprise tp many of you) So DI 6 now gets pushed back to a time frame that the production plants to fit it in to without or with minor delaying of other products. However JAKKS may use that time previously held for DI 6 and produce an new RSC exclusive because they can easily produce a single or 2-pack in limited numbers rather than a full retal level size set of 5 or 6 figures. Hope this sheds some light of these delays i thought they also teach you in business to keep a loyal customer base you should give them what they want and keep them happy. doesn't seem like jakks is doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 15:37:50 GMT -5
there goes my interest in this wave. me too (with kaz) I wanted two of Williams to make the British Invasion(I love Tag teams) what a load of horsecrap.just Hardy in Pink for me now.but ill be waiting until stores for that.
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