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Post by mrhoss on Jul 1, 2011 15:59:26 GMT -5
Yes, I have that along with a $26 voucher from the defective DM Macho Man and another $18 voucher from a defective DCUC. I'm just waiting for Sunday and TRU to get some new product out. lol Wish I had known about the vouchers. One of HHHs had a bad wrist. I also bought a Maryse with a backwards foot but that was fixable with some heat and a pin pull.
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Post by PJ on Jul 1, 2011 16:08:20 GMT -5
Sorry Blackbird but your other perspective will never fly with me. To say retail stores are "scalpers" is just foolish to me. They don't get their product off the shelves of your local stores. They have accounts with the manufacturers and get it direct from them. Scalpers just roam the aisles cherry picking all the good product. If they want to sell figures (or whatever they are scalping) then open an account with the manufacturers and take and try to sell all the product. don't just rape the local areas of all the hot product and leave the cr@p. That's the difference between retails stores & scalpers. And you will never get me to change my mind or see it from their perspective. To me any of the jobs you listed above are a "legitimate job" and I have no problem with anyone who has them. But to me going to the stores early and buying something to sell it for a profit just isn't one. If they are that hard up for money they can go get another job. Hell, UPS is always hiring and they have 4 different PT shifts (Preload/Day sort/Twilight/Midnight)that could fit into someone's schedule if they really wanted to get extra cash for their family. Yes, I have that along with a $26 voucher from the defective DM Macho Man and another $18 voucher from a defective DCUC. I'm just waiting for Sunday and TRU to get some new product out. lol Wish I had known about the vouchers. One of HHHs had a bad wrist. I also bought a Maryse with a backwards foot but that was fixable with some heat and a pin pull. I've called them 4 or 5 times over the last 2 months. It got to the point the last two times I didn't even want to call because I was feeling guilty about all the calls. But my wife was pissed that I was just going to let it go after complaining about it to her. She's like you better call them we spent good money on those figures and they're broken.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 1, 2011 16:10:38 GMT -5
Excellent post, PJ.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 1, 2011 16:11:39 GMT -5
You're just pretending to? I'm trying to show all of you that your hate is really silly when you stop and think about it from another perspective. Ringside aren't taking the figures away from the standard retailers though. Ringside exploits collectors but at least does so with giving an advantage -- you get the figures earlier than people who buy them at retail. If you don't want to pay Ringside prices, you can wait a few weeks and get them from Toys R Us or K-Mart or wherever. Oh wait, you can't, because a jobless scumbag camped out and got them already. I still take issue with calling a professional "scalper" "jobless". You may dislike or hate what they do for a living.. but they most certainly do have a job, as evidenced by the lack of the figure that you or I were looking for in the first place.I agree that it sucks to show up and find all the harder to find figures missing from a recently stocked shelf.. but I don't agree that you should hate someone else because they bought them. What if someone wanted to buy WWE figures because they liked the type of plastic Mattel used, and they wanted to melt it down and make something else with it? That's strange, weird, and they obviously won't be getting any use out of the figure, in the sense of playing with it or displaying it. Should that person also be chastised for purchasing a figure you wanted? What about an individual that wants to buy wrestling figures to store in a box somewhere as collectibles, never to be played with or displayed? I guess the heart of this discussion is the same.. the PURPOSE for someone else buying a wrestling figure doesn't matter to me, as I'm mature enough to realize that it's just really none of my business. If I want the figure and I know someone else will be going after it, I'll just get the earlier than them and try to get it first, plain and simple... If scalping figures is someone's only source of income, do you really think that pays the bills? They may get a good return on investment on some things, but I doubt they do it in high volume. Scalpers are just people who want to own a toy store but dont have the capital, skills or know-how to.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jul 1, 2011 16:14:12 GMT -5
Hes 27, has no job, a ginger, and still lives with his mom. Hahahaha ohhh boy, he has a sweet life! He bought like 30 sheamus back when they were the hot item. How difficult is it to get a legitimate job? First off.. who are you to judge this guy? Is he happy with his life? How about you? Are you happy with yours? Everyone always assumes that happiness=money, power, or prosperity.. but that's just not the case. And again.. like I touched on above.. how do you define a "legitimate job"? Is a woman stripping for a living a "legitimate job" to you? What about me? I sing, book bands, play guitar, run sound and run lights for a living... basically everything surrounding the music business. Is my job a "legitimate job" to you? Just because the person isn't wearing a suit and tie or a uniform doesn't mean they have a job that isn't "legitimate", it just means it's a job that's different than the normal. Again with the "real jobs" thing huh? Unlike anyone anywhere who works for Walmart, Kmart, TRU, Ringside, FYE, McDonalds, Burger King, 7 Eleven.. or ANY company anywhere that buys things at a cheaper price and sells them at a higher price, right? Screw all those people, man! </sarcasm> When confronted about it he gave the "Its my money and I can buy what I want, if you want it you can get it off ebay" typical response. We then proceeded to watch 2 dads beat his ass in the parking lot and take the toys from him. It was quite amusing really cause I hated those guys with a passion. I've yet to see any of those guys since. I swear to everything I am that I hope the two dads got jail time, and had to pay all sorts of restitution. It would have been even better if the "scalper" was carrying a weapon and defended himself from the unprovoked attack. I have a personal policy.. as soon as you lay a hand on me unprovoked, I will be defending myself to the maximum extent that I can. It's a shame the scalper was unable to do the same. What they did is EXACTLY the same as rolling up to the Walmart tractor/trailer with baseball bats and guns and taking what you want, plain and simple. Remember the "they took our jerbs!" episode of South Park? That's these guys. I mean, really? The mindset had to have been "Oh, my kid really wants this. This guy isn't going to keep it.. he just wants to sell it to someone like me to make some money. Screw that! I'm going to take whatever I want!". Apply the same thing to the Walmart shipping truck.. you're looking at a serious crime. See.. I'm 28.. but I'm starting to realize this. The entire problem in this country, and possibly in most civilized countries... is that we want EVERYTHING, and we want it NOW.. and screw anyone that wants to keep us from it. Sounds like that would have been Blackbeard's mantra on his pirate ship... it's just not the way the wheels turn. I just get so sick and tired of everyone wanting thing both ways. Do you people want order, or do you want chaos? Do you want free commerce and trade, or some form of communism? Do you want an open and fair market, or a market where you pay your money and you get whatever they want to give you? Freedoms and uncertainty, or security and confinement? Yes.. it sucks that if I want certain figures, I have to either hope to catch them first, or pay more for them.. but how can I possibly hate someone for engaging in the most American thing of all, capitalism? And on the other side.. I have a place like eBay to get figures I'd have never been able to get before. You can't have things both ways people... EDIT: Oh, and to the OP. I read your post over a few times. What are you mad about? The difference in an Elite and a 2 Pack is what, a dollar or two? The guy offered to trade you, probably to help you get Ryder, not to "screw you out of a dollar". You seem all worked up and judgmental about these folks.. do you ever stop to think what might have been going through their heads? Or.. in other words.. do you really think they found you as evil as you found them? I'm really not trying to defend every "scalper" everywhere (I've met some in my time searching for figures that were total jerks).. but c'mon people. You guys seem to hate them as much as racists and zealots hate the people they hate. Stop being so filled with anger, rage, and negativity! Bro its not the point of the trade or me getting Ryder, he wasn't trying to help. The dude had some kind of attitude problem and an arrogance about him that rubbed me wrong. You know how many times I heard him say u know ur not gonna find him, ur not gonna get him. 4get the whole scalping thing dude was a d***. Plain and simple. So it obvious he was gonna make more $ off the 2 pack so screw him I'm not gonna help him out. U say if you want a fig u just get up early and get it..... Was I not there when the store opened? What else could I do? I asked employees to check the back and nothing, but then they did have em and Chumlee got em. Explain ur logic there. Scalping is not a legit job. If you buy a fig at $15 and sell it for double say $30 or even better $35, with all the fees and shipping you make like $5? I don't c too many scalpers paying NYC rent with that money or even affording gas to drive around looking for figs. Scalping is part of every industry but if wrestling figs is ur source of income it isn't a legit job unless u own a store. That's 2 40 yr dudes who got nothing else going for them.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Jul 1, 2011 16:20:41 GMT -5
Sorry Blackbird but your other perspective will never fly with me. To say retail stores are "scalpers" is just foolish to me. They don't get their product off the shelves of your local stores. They have accounts with the manufacturers and get it direct from them. Scalpers just roam the aisles cherry picking all the good product. If they want to sell figures (or whatever they are scalping) then open an account with the manufacturers and take and try to sell all the product. don't just rape the local areas of all the hot product and leave the cr@p. That's the difference between retails stores & scalpers. And you will never get me to change my mind or see it from their perspective. To me any of the jobs you listed above are a "legitimate job" and I have no problem with anyone who has them. But to me going to the stores early and buying something to sell it for a profit just isn't one. If they are that hard up for money they can go get another job. Hell, UPS is always hiring and they have 4 different PT shifts (Preload/Day sort/Twilight/Midnight)that could fit into someone's schedule if they really wanted to get extra cash for their family. Ideally, I'm sure most any store would cherry pick the product. Assuming someone knew what was up at TRU, I'm sure they'd want more Ryder than Gallows in E9. While I appreciate a more respectful counterpoint.. I still think that if a scalper is doing what they do and making money at it, then more power to them. Like I said above.. if someone buys a figure.. it isn't really my business if they wanna sell it, play with it, display it, or make it the centerpiece for a religious ritual.. not my concern any longer. I don't know if you've ever researched anything about opening an account with a national company.. but some of them have very stringent requirements, designed to keep the product they sell going only to bigger companies, and making it very difficult for the little guy to turn a profit on the product. I'm not accusing Mattel of this.. but I know that some of these companies are like that. I guess the thing is.. I also get frustrated at not being able to find certain figures.. but I understand it, and I really don't see it as being different from what the stores are doing in the first place. It's all a form of "buy low, sell high", isn't it?
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Jul 1, 2011 16:23:05 GMT -5
I'm trying to show all of you that your hate is really silly when you stop and think about it from another perspective. I still take issue with calling a professional "scalper" "jobless". You may dislike or hate what they do for a living.. but they most certainly do have a job, as evidenced by the lack of the figure that you or I were looking for in the first place.I agree that it sucks to show up and find all the harder to find figures missing from a recently stocked shelf.. but I don't agree that you should hate someone else because they bought them. What if someone wanted to buy WWE figures because they liked the type of plastic Mattel used, and they wanted to melt it down and make something else with it? That's strange, weird, and they obviously won't be getting any use out of the figure, in the sense of playing with it or displaying it. Should that person also be chastised for purchasing a figure you wanted? What about an individual that wants to buy wrestling figures to store in a box somewhere as collectibles, never to be played with or displayed? I guess the heart of this discussion is the same.. the PURPOSE for someone else buying a wrestling figure doesn't matter to me, as I'm mature enough to realize that it's just really none of my business. If I want the figure and I know someone else will be going after it, I'll just get the earlier than them and try to get it first, plain and simple... If scalping figures is someone's only source of income, do you really think that pays the bills? They may get a good return on investment on some things, but I doubt they do it in high volume. Scalpers are just people who want to own a toy store but dont have the capital, skills or know-how to. I would guess it would depend on each individual situation. I don't know how they could make enough to pay bills.. but then, I'm not a professional scalper. I'm sure someone, somewhere, DOES scalp toys to pay bills...
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Post by King Silva on Jul 1, 2011 16:23:19 GMT -5
I'm happy I will be getting one of the Eves. Thanks Hulkamania 4 Life!
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 1, 2011 16:25:05 GMT -5
I agree that it sucks to show up and find all the harder to find figures missing from a recently stocked shelf.. but I don't agree that you should hate someone else because they bought them. What if someone wanted to buy WWE figures because they liked the type of plastic Mattel used, and they wanted to melt it down and make something else with it? That's strange, weird, and they obviously won't be getting any use out of the figure, in the sense of playing with it or displaying it. Should that person also be chastised for purchasing a figure you wanted? What about an individual that wants to buy wrestling figures to store in a box somewhere as collectibles, never to be played with or displayed? I don't think I personally have ever been burned by a scalper. I don't know if the UK isn't that bad for them (possibly because wrestling figures are already so expensive here) or whether it's because I tend to hit the shops asap after finding out a new series has landed, the only figure I've had trouble finding is the new Eve and I think that's down to odd distribution rather than someone buying it before I got there. But the principle of scalping is what bugs me... These scumbags actively prevent real collectors from obtaining figures except at their extortionate prices. Same for the ones who buy up concert tickets and so on. Weirdos buying figures to melt down for something or to put in a box forever are odd, but I don't resent them because they're not doing it purposely to screw over collectors and bottom-feed off the legitimate retail industry.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jul 1, 2011 16:25:42 GMT -5
I'm happy I will be getting one of the Eves. Thanks Hulkamania 4 Life! No problem man! Better not scalp it lol *fist pumping*
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Post by LA Times on Jul 1, 2011 16:28:10 GMT -5
If scalping figures is someone's only source of income, do you really think that pays the bills? They may get a good return on investment on some things, but I doubt they do it in high volume. Scalpers are just people who want to own a toy store but dont have the capital, skills or know-how to. I would guess it would depend on each individual situation. I don't know how they could make enough to pay bills.. but then, I'm not a professional scalper. I'm sure someone, somewhere, DOES scalp toys to pay bills... Well, there is a certain online spamard that raids their local Walmarts and TRUs even though they have their own retailers license, but it would be really difficult for an individual to do so. An adult can brush off scalping by just not buying off them, but it hurts kids the most when they go into a store and cannot find a Jeff Hardy or a Rey Mysterio Jr figure just because some guy snatched them all.
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Post by PJ on Jul 1, 2011 16:59:02 GMT -5
^ And I have to deal with them (T0y W1z) cherry picking the pegs on a daily basis.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jul 1, 2011 16:59:59 GMT -5
^ And I have to deal with them (T0y W1z) cherry picking the pegs on a daily basis. idk who buys anything from that site. its beyond over priced.
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Post by PJ on Jul 1, 2011 17:05:31 GMT -5
^ And I have to deal with them (T0y W1z) cherry picking the pegs on a daily basis. idk who buys anything from that site. its beyond over priced. You'd be surprised. I know plenty of people who used to buy for their kids there, because they clean out all the area stores of their inventory. We'd be at our daughter's frieds birthday partys at the "My Gym" next to their store. (The My Gym was the place everyone want to go for parties) and the parents were always like I had to go the T0y W1z to get (fill in the blank) because nobody has it. They hit all the stores in a 30 mile radious (at least) if they know something is out there. There's been plenty of times I would pick stuff up for our daughter's best friend so her parents didn't have to go to TW.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jul 1, 2011 17:21:45 GMT -5
idk who buys anything from that site. its beyond over priced. You'd be surprised. I know plenty of people who used to buy for their kids there, because they clean out all the area stores of their inventory. We'd be at our daughter's frieds birthday partys at the "My Gym" next to their store. (The My Gym was the place everyone want to go for parties) and the parents were always like I had to go the T0y W1z to get (fill in the blank) because nobody has it. They hit all the stores in a 30 mile radious (at least) if they know something is out there. There's been plenty of times I would pick stuff up for our daughter's best friend so her parents didn't have to go to TW. Wow thats terrible. 4get collectors kids get screwed out of this too
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Post by jfinnomore on Jul 1, 2011 17:33:14 GMT -5
the thing about this story that i find the most shocking is how sought after Zack ing Ryder is. such a joke. but as PJ said don't feed the scalpers, its idiots that bid figures up to the 40 dollar price range on ebay that just get these guys in a frenzy. if everyone would have a coke and a smile and relax for a month or so and not have to be the first one to own something, these guys would die out.
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Post by Rob7274 on Jul 1, 2011 17:42:11 GMT -5
They sound like real loser's.
I have just bought all Nexus apart from Slater and Barrett but I reakon he will come in Elite so im not fussed. (Im a Elite collector apart from Divas and guys who wont get Elites)
It's Darren Young, Tarver and Sheffield I think will only have these figures.
Slater, Otunga and Gabrial should all get Elites really...
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Post by mrhoss on Jul 1, 2011 18:22:19 GMT -5
... If they are that hard up for money they can go get another job. Hell, UPS is always hiring and they have 4 different PT shifts (Preload/Day sort/Twilight/Midnight)that could fit into someone's schedule if they really wanted to get extra cash for their family... ...I've called them 4 or 5 times over the last 2 months. It got to the point the last two times I didn't even want to call because I was feeling guilty about all the calls. But my wife was pissed that I was just going to let it go after complaining about it to her. She's like you better call them we spent good money on those figures and they're broken. How long would the average scalper last as a UPS truck loader? That has the reputation of being a brutal job. I was thinking an email and attached photo would be sufficient evidence. Mattel must want you to work hard for it. The wife or girlfriend is always right.
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Post by roddypiper on Jul 1, 2011 18:55:58 GMT -5
Ohhhhhhhh those scalpers they make me SO MAD!!!! GRRRRAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH...
However, with the economy being in the shape it is in I can not blame these guys...it is hard to find a job in these times. So to turn a profit on a figure is fine. After all has stated captilisim...blahblahblah...
Now.... how moral it is I don't know... I would feel like crap knowing a kid came in trying to get * whateverfigure* and I took them all trying to turna profit...maybe they should leave one hanging around...
As for your " Moral Stand" right then was not the time to take it... but to each their own.
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Post by PJ on Jul 1, 2011 19:12:14 GMT -5
... If they are that hard up for money they can go get another job. Hell, UPS is always hiring and they have 4 different PT shifts (Preload/Day sort/Twilight/Midnight)that could fit into someone's schedule if they really wanted to get extra cash for their family... ...I've called them 4 or 5 times over the last 2 months. It got to the point the last two times I didn't even want to call because I was feeling guilty about all the calls. But my wife was pissed that I was just going to let it go after complaining about it to her. She's like you better call them we spent good money on those figures and they're broken. How long would the average scalper last as a UPS truck loader? That has the reputation of being a brutal job. I was thinking an email and attached photo would be sufficient evidence. Mattel must want you to work hard for it. The wife or girlfriend is always right. I worked there 15 years before I got injured. If I went into the unload now I don't think I'd last unloading 1 trailer. lol I actually asked Mattel's Cust Service if they wanted any photo's as proof because I felt subconscious that I've called so many time in the last 2 months. I've hit a string of QC issues in the last 2 months (Mainly their DC lines) I had a DCUC Robin where his foot snapped of taking it out of the package. Then I got a replacement from spamS and it happened again...So I called Mattel. Then in one hour I went through 4 MM Hal Jordan figures with fused hips at TRU before we found one that all the joints worked. But the one I got in the mail from TRU.com also had an issue so I called again. Plus there was the DM Macho Man and the newest victom my Young Justice Batman has a fused left leg. And in all cases they were figures that were pretty much early productions...so I guess they hadn't spotted the bugs at that point. They are calling me back on Wednesday about the YJ set as it's not in their computers systems yet. lol
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