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Post by machoking on Jul 7, 2011 3:25:02 GMT -5
In the late 80s early 90s we started to see a lot of tag team getting split up with one wrestler getting a big singles push, possibly becoming a star...and another wrestler that either floundered in mid card hell or completely fell off the map. We all known the obvious...
Hart Foundation
Bret hart-Star
Jim Neidhart-Lower Mid Carder
The Rockers
Shawn Michaels-Star
Marty Jannetty-Mid Carder
Rougeau Brothers
Jacques-Mid Carder
Raymond-Fell off map
Islanders
Haku-Mid Carder
Tama-Fell off map
British Bulldogs
Smith-Upper Mid Card
Kid-Fell off Map
Now these are the "obvious" but when you look at other teams, can you see the "star" or "not a star" in any of them?? Take a team like Demolition. Who is the Star? Darsow (Smash) floundered around Mid to lower mid card status after the split but before the pairing Eadie (Ax) was a HUGE star in Wrestling.
How about the Road Warriors? Hawk seemed to have more singles success but never really achieved anything without Animal.
Steiner Brothers? Rick Was a Mid carder before and After but Scott flourished to be a World Champion.
So whats some other teams (Looking at 80s-Early 90s) off the top of your head that did or didnt have "that one" guy? OR who did you see as the "leader" of a certain team?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 6:08:46 GMT -5
Headshrinkers maybe , samu fell off the map fatu returned a few years later then went on to be rikishi.
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Post by Raine on Jul 7, 2011 6:33:47 GMT -5
Booker T > Stevie Ray
Billy Gunn > Bart Gunn
Arn Anderson > Tully Blanchard
Steve Austin > Brian Pillman
Ron Simmons > Butch Reed
Jack Brisco > Jerry Brisco
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Post by Barney Stinson on Jul 7, 2011 8:49:59 GMT -5
Most of the time one guy does get more than the other
Men on a Mission - Mabel got the push and Mo got nothing.
Hardys - Jeff always got more than Matt
E & C - Edge always got more than Christian
WGTT - Shelton Benjamin always got more than Charlie Haas
MNM - Nitro got more than Mercury
American Males - Buff Bagwell got more than Scotty Riggs
Currently - Dudley Boyz/Team 3D - Bubba is getting more than D-Von
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Post by twinn on Jul 7, 2011 9:37:56 GMT -5
The Bushwhackers would be a team where I would consider both men to have been equals throughout their careers.
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Post by Raine on Jul 7, 2011 9:42:10 GMT -5
Quinn
Also The Godwinns, Rock n Roll Express, New Age Outlaws, Bulldog & Owen are all equals for me.
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Post by twinn on Jul 7, 2011 9:53:08 GMT -5
I was thinking maybe the Powers of Pain, Nasty Boys, and Strike Force as well, but I'm not sure. The Barbarian and The Warlord were equals throughout their WWF runs, but when The Barbarian went to the WCW, The Warlord kinda dropped off the map. The Nasty Boys were pretty much always equals too, right up until the end of WCW when Knobbs was winning the Hardcore title. Strike Force, I'm not really sure who was bigger. Martel is a former AWA World Champion and Tito is a former Intercontinental champion. They were both mid-carders after Strike Force broke up and pretty much stayed there for the rest of their careers.
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Post by DTP. on Jul 7, 2011 9:57:52 GMT -5
In the late 80s early 90s we started to see a lot of tag team getting split up with one wrestler getting a big singles push, possibly becoming a star...and another wrestler that either floundered in mid card hell or completely fell off the map. We all known the obvious... Hart Foundation Bret hart-Star Jim Neidhart-Lower Mid Carder - Why? Steroid problems. He later became slightly equal to Bret when Hart feuded with Owen and Neidhart managed Owen. And again as the Hart Foundation of 1997. Every faction needs a leader, Bret was that leader. The Rockers Shawn Michaels-Star Marty Jannetty-Mid Carder - Very obvious to see. But keep in mind that Jannetty would have been so much more than a midcarder had he not gotten himself in so much trouble in all of Michaels/Jannetty's match opportunity (i.e. in trouble with the law, drinking problems, etc). Rougeau Brothers Jacques-Mid Carder Raymond-Fell off map - I agree sort've. But Jacques was the Mountie, and that did not fare so well for him as a singles star. And so Jacques returned to teaming as part of the Quebecers. Hardly getting far. British Bulldogs Smith-Upper Mid Card Kid-Fell off Map - Dynamite Kid would have been so much more had he not became paralyzed in 1988. Kid was definitely better than Davey Boy was at this time, he was one of the best wrestlers in professional wrestling at the time. Road Warriors Hawk Animal - Animal had a back problem in the mid 90s and also, Hawk still kept the Road Warriors alive in Japan after leaving the WWF (1992) to team with Kensuke Sasaki. Animal returned a little later. Hawk also left before Animal. Overall, I'd say that the Road Warriors were always even with each other. Even when they were in the uppercard in 1997. Demolition Smash Ax Crush - Ax may have faded out, but that was due to illness. Smash was never really memorable without Ax. If anything, Crush would become a bigger star than both of them. The Steiner Brothers Rick Scott - Yes, Scott Steiner went on to bigger things in the late 90s. But in the early 90s/late 80s, it was Rick Steiner who was given more main event opportunities. Partly due to Scott being injured, but Rick was once offered a World title run in WCW during the late 80s. |
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Post by done on Jul 7, 2011 10:31:47 GMT -5
Booker T > Stevie Ray Billy Gunn > Bart Gunn Arn Anderson > Tully Blanchard Steve Austin > Brian Pillman Ron Simmons > Butch Reed Jack Brisco > Jerry Brisco Pillman became a Main Event(kinda)Upper Mid card guy, if he stayed longer he would of became the first LHWC. |
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Post by redypiper on Jul 7, 2011 11:11:41 GMT -5
Young Stallions
whereas Powers' career peaked as a member of the stallions, Roma went on to be a... horsemen
lol
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Post by machoking on Jul 7, 2011 11:17:16 GMT -5
Booker T > Stevie Ray Billy Gunn > Bart Gunn Arn Anderson > Tully Blanchard Steve Austin > Brian Pillman Ron Simmons > Butch Reed Jack Brisco > Jerry Brisco Pillman became a Main Event(kinda)Upper Mid card guy, if he stayed longer he would of became the first LHWC. He actually was WCW's first LHW Champion. But in WCW he was below Austin even after the split. Austin went on to be the US Champion and later StoneCold in WWE. As for the rest of Raines list. I pretty much agree with all except the Arn-Tully one. If you look at their careers after the team split, then I would certainly give the nod to Arn...Also remember Tully pretty much retired when they split though. If you look at their careers as a whole, Tully has a much better resume then Arn all together with reigns as United States, National (Title before the US belt) and Television champion. As for others mentioned, personally I would give Gunn the nod over Road Dogg. Neither really became a star but Gunn has a more impressive overall resume. I would give just the ever so slightest edge to Ricky Morton over Robert Gibson just because of the slight singles push he had after the split. All the rest listed here I completely agree with though. |
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Post by Raine on Jul 7, 2011 12:48:49 GMT -5
I'd gave it to Arn over Tully because Tully retired and Arn became a bigger name to wrestling fans in the 90's. Tully has a better resume but that doesn't determined if your a bigger star or not. Whose a bigger name Jake Roberts (no major WWF titles) or Bart Gunn? (4 time WWF tag champ)
Also Pillman & Austin equals? Is this a joke? Hogan or Austin is the only comparison you can make with Stone Cold
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Post by machoking on Jul 7, 2011 16:49:01 GMT -5
I'd gave it to Arn over Tully because Tully retired and Arn became a bigger name to wrestling fans in the 90's. Tully has a better resume but that doesn't determined if your a bigger star or not. Whose a bigger name Jake Roberts (no major WWF titles) or Bart Gunn? (4 time WWF tag champ) Also Pillman & Austin equals? Is this a joke? Hogan or Austin is the only comparison you can make with Stone Cold I see your reasoning with Arn-Tully..Makes sense. Also I never said Pillman and Austin were equals? |
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Post by Raine on Jul 8, 2011 4:21:21 GMT -5
No the123kid said Pillman was almost a main event guy, not you Macho :-)
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Post by machoking on Jul 8, 2011 16:04:50 GMT -5
No the123kid said Pillman was almost a main event guy, not you Macho :-) Oh, got ya...I was like...Im not THAT crazy haha |
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