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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 17, 2011 10:48:37 GMT -5
From wikipedia...
I know that wiki is full of a bunch of BS, but I was wondering if Vince really did regret the decision to put Hunter over Taz. Anyone know if there is any truth to it?
I know that after Taz's WWE debut, he was basically floating around in the mid-card doing nothing, and then this Triple H match kinda killed him off IMO in the WWF. They could have easily have had this go to a double disqualification so that no man looked weak. Taz basically did nothing after this loss IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 11:17:10 GMT -5
considering that this was one of the most merciless,ruthless and  ing unnessacery burials I have ever witnessed-I think he SHOULD have some regrets but I highly doubt he does. |
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 17, 2011 17:57:57 GMT -5
Yeah, this one really was a burial.
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Post by LeighD on Sept 17, 2011 18:44:42 GMT -5
He might have regrets about how badly the match made Taz and ECW as a whole look, but I highly doubt he'd ever have regrets about putting HHH over.
I just remember watching his match in horror as basically it made Taz and ECW look like jobbers. They could have made this out to be a little mini-feud with both sides looking good with obviously the WWF winning. In my eyes that was really the nail in the coffin for ECW.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 19:26:21 GMT -5
I left a word out......Vindictive.
my God I was horrified watching this.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 17, 2011 21:50:33 GMT -5
What happened? I didn't pay much attention to SmackDown back then as we only just started to get it in the UK. Mike Awsome, who was the ECW champion at the time, had secretly signed a deal w/ WCW, and debuted on Nitro w/out ever losing the title. Paul Heyman was able to prevent him from brigning the title w/ him to WCW, and worked a deal w/ the WWF to bring back Taz, who had already joined the WWF, to win the title. Taz and Awsome wrestled a quick squash match, where Taz won the title. Later that week on SD, Vince had Triple H vs Taz in an WWF Champ vs ECW Champ match. What followed was a huge burial, w/ Taz not only looking like a chump, but Tommy Dreamer came into the ring after the match to help Taz, but ended up hitting Taz w/ a chair instead, making ECW guys look like idiots. Hunter hit Dreamer w/ a predigree, and that was that for ECW. Here is the match... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 23:08:04 GMT -5
It wasn't a burial by any means, imo. Tell me one reason why Vince would have Taz go over their World Champion? I'm sure Paul wouldn't have Triple H go over Taz if the roles were reversed...tbh
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 17, 2011 23:30:55 GMT -5
It wasn't a burial by any means, imo. Tell me one reason why Vince would have Taz go over their World Champion? I'm sure Paul wouldn't have Triple H go over Taz if the roles were reversed...tbh Taz obviously would never have gone over, thats not the problem. Its Vince's company, so of course Hunter was gonna go over. But Taz, and ECW as a whole, were made to look like idiots and chumps when Dreamer went to hit HHH w/ the chair but hit Taz instead. Hunter then takes out them both, and the WWF Champ just took out ECW's #1 guy(and champ) and arguably the #2 or #3 guy at the same time. ECW just came off as crap during this short match. Vince could have easily just had Hunter and Taz go at it, w/ Hunter getting the win, but instead made both guys look like idiots(not to mention that Hunter looked far more dominant during the match). |
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Post by hammer on Sept 18, 2011 7:17:38 GMT -5
It wasn't a burial by any means, imo. Tell me one reason why Vince would have Taz go over their World Champion? I'm sure Paul wouldn't have Triple H go over Taz if the roles were reversed...tbh when the highlight of your career after a certain moment... is either a tag title run with spike dudley, or becoming a blithering idiot of a commentator... id say that qualifies as a burial. |
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Post by hammer on Sept 18, 2011 8:21:07 GMT -5
they hot shotted the belt right to dreamer anyway, later that week. then hot shotted it to justin credible later that night, if memory serves. my guess is he didnt want to take away the effect of dreamer winning his first world title, only to have credible steal it away, in a throw away match with awesome, where it couldnt have even been an actual match since awesome had to be escorted in and out of the building right at the moment of the match with taz. plus he had the working relationship with wwf. and the entire booking strategy of dreamer and credible... was to have dreamer finally get the world title, have the fans elated... and then have credible steal it all away, and get massive heat. everyone knew awesome was dropping the belt, but taz/dreamer, there was still a question as to whether taz could hold it for a bit [thus the purpose of him appearing on wwf tv with the belt].
and naturally, taz wasnt going to beat triple h at that time. it was shoddy booking to even put them together at that point... feed somebody to taz, dont feed taz to triple h. thats why its a burial.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 9:23:55 GMT -5
I think the stupid decision was Paul Heyman making Taz the one to wrestle Awesome. Why not someone who he had on his roster? As for the whole burial thing, I agree with what the guy said. Why would they put Taz over the guy with the most heat and the WWF's newest breakout star? Triple H was huge back then. The biggest heel on the roster. Arguably in the wrestling world. If anything, Triple H beating Taz, the new ECW champion, a favourite of the people, gives Triple H even more heat. It seems to have worked, looking at the reactions in this thread. Must have been more effective back then. It's a shame, but Heyman shouldn't have made a star he didn't even have under contract, win the title. nobody expected Taz to go over then OR in this thread.collassal misunderstanding on your and ACs part. we are referring to it as a burial because of the MANNER in which it happened.a good competitive match would have been great for both men.of course Taz shouldnt have won but he should have been allowed to look competitive....... instead he was buried in a manner so vindictive it baffles me to this day. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 14:14:22 GMT -5
It wasn't a burial by any means, imo. Tell me one reason why Vince would have Taz go over their World Champion? I'm sure Paul wouldn't have Triple H go over Taz if the roles were reversed...tbh when the highlight of your career after a certain moment... is either a tag title run with spike dudley, or becoming a blithering idiot of a commentator... id say that qualifies as a burial. It's not like he did much prior to this "burial" anyways lol |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 14:27:09 GMT -5
when the highlight of your career after a certain moment... is either a tag title run with spike dudley, or becoming a blithering idiot of a commentator... id say that qualifies as a burial. It's not like he did much prior to this "burial" anyways lol he started very well he debuted at RR2000,ended Angles undefeated streak and looked awesome in the process. the crowd reaction to him in MSG was awesome. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 14:38:06 GMT -5
I do agree with you there but it was his hometown so of course the reaction would be awesome.
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Post by markallenkellner on Sept 18, 2011 15:35:03 GMT -5
Taz was one of the biggest wastes of talent I've ever seen. When he debuted against Kurt Angle at the Royal Rumble, and won, the place went nuts. They wasted him and turned him into a crappy commentator (just like Paul E said in his worked shoot against Vince).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 16:29:18 GMT -5
Taz was one of the biggest wastes of talent I've ever seen. When he debuted against Kurt Angle at the Royal Rumble, and won, the place went nuts. They wasted him and turned him into a crappy commentator (just like Paul E said in his worked shoot against Vince). I do agree. They could have done so much more with Taz but I think his height and not being a bodybuilder really hurt his chances of getting past midcard status in the WWE. Which is bs, but its happened to many others. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 18, 2011 19:17:59 GMT -5
It's funny that when Vince was getting his butt kicked by WCW in 1996-1998, he made the best of his "working relationship" w/ Paul and made the "invading" ECW stars look pretty good, even letting RVD get some wins on WWF TV. By 2000, when he didn't need them anymore, he made their biggest star, Taz, look like a jobber, and put him in meaningless Hardcore Title matches for most of his WWF career.
I know that Taz didn't have many years left in the ring(only about 2 w/ his bad neck), but Vince could have still utilized him big. After his big win over Angle, I think he should have been put into some mid-card feuds w/ Benoit, Jericho, and Angle, and have won the IC Title atleast once. I was never a huge fan of Rikishi, and possibly would have had Taz as Triple H's acompliss instead of him to give him a few main event feuds.
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Post by k5 on Sept 18, 2011 21:01:12 GMT -5
ing ridiculous. imo they were made to look like crap in 97 as well when they invaded on raw. i understand lawler was supposed to make them out to be idiots and make heat on himself, but WOW did he overdo it. you could tell heyman was furious with lawler and just the way the scenarios unfolded.
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