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Post by Jaz on Nov 30, 2011 12:39:44 GMT -5
Does anyone else agree with me that the WWE gives upcoming talent world titles way too fast?
Take a look at Dolph Ziggler. A lot of people think that by Royal Rumble he could possibly become one of the top guys in the business, but he's already held a world title. I expect superstars that win world titles to stay on the top, not fade back down like Ziggler has done. Does anyone else agree?
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Post by done on Nov 30, 2011 12:49:53 GMT -5
Yeah, just like Jack Swagger, it is one of the things which makes the World titles pretty worthless(not fully)
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Post by alexgg on Nov 30, 2011 13:20:15 GMT -5
I wish that Dolph Zigglers WHC reign didn't count as a real reign, because... it just wasn't.
Plus it was pretty forgettable, like Swaggers reign as well despite that being a longer one.
I think some people, like Sheamus have been very successful with pushes like this, heck Sheamus had hardly done anything prior to winning.
I think it just depends on who the person is and how its played out.
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Post by jfinnomore on Nov 30, 2011 13:34:08 GMT -5
I'd rather have Del Rio and Swagger both be champs over Orton and Cena getting another run. I'm all for new blood to main event as long as they can get themselves over.
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Post by alexgg on Nov 30, 2011 13:36:38 GMT -5
The title reigns I hate the most are the ones that last such a short period of time, especially a bunch of John Cena and Edge reigns.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 30, 2011 13:56:17 GMT -5
Swagger was booked like garbage when he had the title. Ziggler's title reign was used as a prop to have Edge come out the same night and win the match. It got Ziggler heat and everyone went crazy for Edge when he won it back. Ziggler winning at this point would be completely different from that. Additionally, Edge has said many times that he is a big fan of Ziggler so giving him the belt early this year could have been completely his doing because he thought Ziggler deserved to have it on his resume.
Back to the point though, it's about how a champion is booked prior to, during, and after a title reign. If you end up like CM Punk during his first run, or Swagger during his then you shouldn't be shocked that the guy doesn't scream main event. However, guys like Sheamus, Punk, Del Rio, and even Miz can jump into the title picture at any time moving forward now imo because of their WWE Title runs. Although, Sheamus took some rebuilding and Miz didn't really have a ton of notoriety as champion outside of Mania, albeit a longer run.
Additionally, new blood is great and all, but Cena or Orton as champion could really put over a guy. Wade Barrett beating Orton at Survivor Series last year would have solidified Barrett as a main event talent for his career imo. Sheamus really got put over by Cena imo, even though they floundered with him post title run. Obviously, that is all relative to actually booking Cena and Orton to lose to those type of guys but they can have title reigns that serve a purpose. I am annoyed that those guys have a crazy number of title runs though 9,10,11 or whatever they are at now.
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Post by yeetman13 on Nov 30, 2011 23:54:43 GMT -5
this year is gonna be pretty good with a long Mark Henry Title run... i think he needs to keep it until WM and then lose to Sheamus or someone...
i agree that they shouldnt have given ziggler, swagger and sheamus titles just to push them back down.. but its hard when you basically HAVE to have Cena and Orton on either show to be in the main event title picture
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Nov 30, 2011 23:57:57 GMT -5
Yeah def. you see the same thing time after time. Guy comes in and gets pushed to the moon, then win the title and get shoved back down to the mid card or released. Its stupid. That is what made Eddie G and Benoit's title reigns so great imo. Both were multi time champs between the lower rank titles and chased the heavyweight so when they got it it was more of an accomplishment.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Dec 1, 2011 0:05:36 GMT -5
They do but Ziggler isnt the right example. In fact Ziggler has moreso earned it than sheamus, or swagger etc. Ziggler has been around for quite a while now and fought COUNTLESS battles to finally win the IC title and was content in this mid card area as he has been doing with the US. Id say Ziggler is in a perfect spot right now. Jumping for him to win the rumble and that is probably a little soon but he is definitely more ready than most on the card and ziggler isnt the best example for your arguement. I dont see how he has 'fallen' since his world title reign, if anything he has gone upwards even though he isnt a world champ or challenging for the title. And I really dont consider him a former world champ anyway, that title reign was ENTIRELY for the sake of the story for one night and they really could have done it without making it official in the record books. Swaggers world title reign however was legit unlike zigglers. But they botched the entire reign. They ditched his cocky attitude which made his character, he changed to suits, he was portrayed as completely weak when he should have been seen as a determined athlete and I dont think he won any or less than a handful or televised non title matches.
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Post by ellisd on Dec 1, 2011 1:10:36 GMT -5
The title reigns I hate the most are the ones that last such a short period of time, especially a bunch of John Cena and Edge reigns. I hate this too. I was so irritated when Cena beat DelRio only to lose it back to him 2 weeks later at the next ppv. (I won't get started at how irritating it is that we had 2 ppvs 2 weeks apart, thats an argument for another thread lol). Also, didn't Cena win the title at Elimination Chamber once, just to lose it to Batista after the match to help set up their feud? Stuff like this gets on my nerves. This and the fact that for some reason, the writers think just because its WrestleMania means that Cena has to win the title from somebody are the main reason he's a 10 time champion?....11 time champion?.....whatever...its getting about as bad as Lawler was in Memphis. He's a 40something time USWA champion lol. (I miss USWA...again, thats a topic for another thread) |
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Post by k5 on Dec 1, 2011 1:49:53 GMT -5
they have difficulty establishing talent, so since the heavyweight title is diminished anyways, why not use whatever prowess it has left for a young guy to possibly get over with?
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