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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Oct 24, 2012 19:15:51 GMT -5
It's still a he said/she said and she's not got a hothead attitude to her. Kyle and Kevin are known for being hotheads on the track, and are known for doing this stuff. And they wouldn't have been parked. Penalized points? Maybe. Probation? Sure. Fined? Sure. Kyle Busch got parked last year because what he did to Ron Hornaday at Texas. Wrecked him hard under caution.
You cannot say that Danica's situations are the same as this. Kyle gets parked for sh*t like this. As would Danica if she wrecked someone under caution, or anyone else for that matter. This situation is yet another case of Kyle not giving space when someone else has a better run. Just like Daytona in July 2009. He tried to block Tony Stewart when Tony had the faster run, and clipped across the front of the 14, and Kyle slammed the wall hard. There's not been many cases at all where Kyle wrecks and it's not his fault.
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 24, 2012 20:21:15 GMT -5
I didn't compare the two situations. I plain as day stated they'd be parked for THREE RETALIATIONS in this such of a time frame. Let's recap, shall we?
April
Sam has a tire go down at the ending of the race. Danica is pissed because he ran her up the track, because of the tire going down, and pulls this stunt. This is going at race speed following the checkered flag. This would have been penalized for any other drive, more than likely probation.
July
She is pissed at Reed, lays on his bumper, and shoves him through the entire corner. 2nd time.
October
Landon says that she crowd him and he moved her. She does this to him.
This is the third time she has PURPOSELY wrecked someone this SEASON. She has yet to get in trouble for ANY of this. Anyone else would have been on probation for the first incident, yet nothing has happened to her.
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What do you know... Danica IS a hot-head. All these incidents? Racing! Don't tell me that she isn't a hot-head when she's wrecked three people in the span of six months because of little crap. Sam had a tire go down, how is that his fault? Reed pissed Danica off because he wouldn't just "let her go", which is the same thing that Landon says Danica did to him. So I'm calling bullcrap on Danica isn't a hot-head.
If you look at the petty crap that drivers have been penalized for... you'd see that Danica is being given special treatment despite her inability to calm her rookie self down.
EDIT: Whatever though. The same people who want to say that this is okay, are the same people that will be all over Kyle's ass if/when he dumps Newman for wrecking him at Kansas.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Oct 25, 2012 12:35:28 GMT -5
Okay your argument for the Reed scenario, is invalid. She barely tapped him! She didn't shove him in through the corner. And TBH, from your own video, it sounds like he got out of the throttle in front of her, and she TAPPED his bumper.
The ONLY ONE I'll give you is the Landon Cassill one. She shouldn't have retaliated in that way. He squeezed her up in the wall, and then nearly cut her off. This was a breaking point for her, but she reacted the wrong way. Hornish could have slowed off when he knew he had a tire going down. He didn't have to keep going at 140-150 MPH, with someone right next to him, when he knew he couldn't get slowed enough to not drive someone into the wall. And as I said above, the Reed scenario, he got out of the throttle, and she didn't check up in time.
And I didn't say you compared Busch to anything of Danica. I pointed out an example as to why Kyle Busch gets himself parked. And said that there is no comparison between the two. Until Danica puts a championship contender in the wall, UNDER CAUTION, her scenarios fall under the NASCAR credence of "Have At It Boys [and Girl]".
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 25, 2012 16:33:05 GMT -5
Okay your argument for the Reed scenario, is invalid. She barely tapped him! She didn't shove him in through the corner. And TBH, from your own video, it sounds like he got out of the throttle in front of her, and she TAPPED his bumper. The ONLY ONE I'll give you is the Landon Cassill one. She shouldn't have retaliated in that way. He squeezed her up in the wall, and then nearly cut her off. This was a breaking point for her, but she reacted the wrong way. Hornish could have slowed off when he knew he had a tire going down. He didn't have to keep going at 140-150 MPH, with someone right next to him, when he knew he couldn't get slowed enough to not drive someone into the wall. And as I said above, the Reed scenario, he got out of the throttle, and she didn't check up in time. And I didn't say you compared Busch to anything of Danica. I pointed out an example as to why Kyle Busch gets himself parked. And said that there is no comparison between the two. Until Danica puts a championship contender in the wall, UNDER CAUTION, her scenarios fall under the NASCAR credence of "Have At It Boys [and Girl]". Good Lord... *shakes head*. You don't want to see the fact that there is something majorly wrong with Danica's actions and the lack of action by NASCAR. It's laughable. You can pretend that Danica does no wrong, but that is bullcrap. You are right about Sam though. He should have got off the gas, mashed the brake, and wrecked himself alongside Elliott, Danica, and probably Ryan, right? That is what would have happened. The bottom line is this: Sam accidentally gets into Danica as his right front goes down, his car turns turn right - like cars do when they blow a right front - and Danica just happened to be there. What does Danica do? She over-reacts and turns him HEAD FIRST into the wall at RACE SPEED. That is something that would have got any other driver in trouble. That is the point I am trying to make. It has nothing to do with whatever Kyle did a year ago, it has to do with NASCAR not punishing drivers for their actions, because of WHO they are. I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but I'm not wrong in my opinion. Danica gets away with turning someone into the wall AND wrecking someone on purpose. ADMITTEDLY! Guess "Actions Detrimental To Stock Car Racing" doesn't work both ways for NASCAR's "chosen drivers". That's fine. I don't want to hear anyone bitch when she gets asspacked into the wall for pulling crap like this in '13. EDIT: BTW, the lap before Reed just "happened" to get out of the throttle early... Danica was told to "work him over", so yeah... no chance in hell that could've been on purpose.
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Post by Jimex on Oct 25, 2012 20:11:33 GMT -5
I always have believed they show favoritism to popular drivers, such as Junior, Danica, etc.
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Post by MizTV on Oct 25, 2012 20:38:39 GMT -5
I always have believed they show favoritism to popular drivers, such as Junior, Danica, etc. And Jimmie!!!
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 25, 2012 21:26:06 GMT -5
I always have believed they show favoritism to popular drivers, such as Junior, Danica, etc. Oh hey look... someone who understands what I am saying.
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 27, 2012 16:39:22 GMT -5
DENNY HAMLIN FTW!
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Oct 30, 2012 23:09:03 GMT -5
It's not favoritism. The ones that are punished for retaliation are the ones known for it, the ones who are involved in the incidents year in and year out. Boo hoo.
Anyways, Watkins Glen suffered more than an estimated $50,000 worth of damage due to Hurricane Sandy, according to track president Michael Printup. Part of victory lane was ripped apart, eight billboards were blown down, grandstand signage was destroyed and building trim was damaged. Trees also were blown down by winds estimated at 60 mph.
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 31, 2012 1:09:28 GMT -5
We aren't talking about just on-track incidents or retaliations, we're talking about general punishments. They pull the "actions detrimental to stock car racing" card and punish someone for something they didn't like and they DO play favorites when it comes to enforcing the rules.
I'm sorry... but when you have a rule that is subject to judgement... you're pretty much saying that you're going to play favorites, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 5:29:56 GMT -5
Let's quit fighting and celebrate that Denny Hamlin is out of the title picture.
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 4, 2012 20:02:16 GMT -5
Woo Jimmie! Woooo Kyle! Woooooo Kurt!
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 6, 2012 15:20:35 GMT -5
I now hope that Keselowski can come in these next 2 races and take the title from JJ. I do not wanna see JJ get a 6th title.
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 11, 2012 19:03:47 GMT -5
I am disappoint. I wanted to see Bowyer stick his foot up Jeff's ass.
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Post by Jimex on Nov 11, 2012 19:24:15 GMT -5
Let's quit fighting and celebrate that Denny Hamlin is out of the title picture. Why is that something to celebrate? I don't see why you'd rather see Johnson win his 6th, or Kesolowski win this early on, without any fan base, then somebody who has actually come so close multiple times and still couldn't get the job done, though he seriously deserved it.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Nov 11, 2012 20:32:46 GMT -5
Can we celebrate that today had to be one of the best things to happen to Nascar all year?
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 11, 2012 23:27:22 GMT -5
JJ crashed hard! He sits 20 points out and I don't see him making it up. Unless Brad crashes put next week - knock on wood I hope to hell he doesn't. I want to see Brad get the title over JJ. There is only 2 people who should be at 7 and 6 for JJ is too damn close and the 7 NASCAR championships is like Flair's recognized 16 reigns. It's something that shouldn't be matched.
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 12, 2012 0:55:56 GMT -5
JJ crashed hard! He sits 20 points out and I don't see him making it up. Unless Brad crashes put next week - knock on wood I hope to hell he doesn't. I want to see Brad get the title over JJ. There is only 2 people who should be at 7 and 6 for JJ is too damn close and the 7 NASCAR championships is like Flair's recognized 16 reigns. It's something that shouldn't be matched. Yeah... no.... Jimmie "should" be ranked among the greats with that amount of championships. --- 1.) It'd be pretty damn entertaining, if NASCAR docks Brad points for his potty mouth in the media center. That'd be amazing for Homestead. 2.) Jeff better get his ass penalized for his antics.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 12, 2012 11:31:11 GMT -5
JJ crashed hard! He sits 20 points out and I don't see him making it up. Unless Brad crashes put next week - knock on wood I hope to hell he doesn't. I want to see Brad get the title over JJ. There is only 2 people who should be at 7 and 6 for JJ is too damn close and the 7 NASCAR championships is like Flair's recognized 16 reigns. It's something that shouldn't be matched. Yeah... no.... Jimmie "should" be ranked among the greats with that amount of championships. --- 1.) It'd be pretty damn entertaining, if NASCAR docks Brad points for his potty mouth in the media center. That'd be amazing for Homestead. 2.) Jeff better get his ass penalized for his antics. If they penalize Brad, it's total BS and they want JJ to win. And THAT would be favoritism - since you wanna claim that every time someone not named Kyle Busch retaliates on someone and isn't punished. That interview wasn't televised and no one heard any "offensive" language. For the record, I am totally on Brad's side. He got blasted for the last week over Texas, and then this happens and it's all of a sudden okay?
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 12, 2012 21:16:58 GMT -5
Yeah... no.... Jimmie "should" be ranked among the greats with that amount of championships. --- 1.) It'd be pretty damn entertaining, if NASCAR docks Brad points for his potty mouth in the media center. That'd be amazing for Homestead. 2.) Jeff better get his ass penalized for his antics. If they penalize Brad, it's total BS and they want JJ to win. And THAT would be favoritism - since you wanna claim that every time someone not named Kyle Busch retaliates on someone and isn't punished. That interview wasn't televised and no one heard any "offensive" language. For the record, I am totally on Brad's side. He got blasted for the last week over Texas, and then this happens and it's all of a sudden okay? I don't want them to penalize Brad, dude. Why don't you read? It'd be entertaining to go into Homestead with a closer points battle. I don't want them to penalize him points, I don't want them to help anyone, I'm just saying... it'd be entertaining to see another close title battle that comes down to the wire. Don't know why you want to "challenge" what I say, but I agree that it would be wrong for them to penalize him points [this late in the season]... just said it'd be entertaining for the fans to see. --- Jeff Gordon got off way too easy for his wrecking of Bowyer, way too damn easy.
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