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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 28, 2012 18:35:31 GMT -5
Theoretically, the judge is right. The Supreme Court has no authority to rule on whether a tax is unjust or not. A poll tax is unconstitutional (which this one clearly isn't) and they might have jurisdiction if one ethnic group or another was taxed more or less, but that would be about it and even that would be iffy I think.
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Post by slappy on Jun 28, 2012 20:25:50 GMT -5
Romney's raised over $3 million since the decision.
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Post by /X Metal Sorenges x "Mac Oh J~ on Jun 28, 2012 20:28:26 GMT -5
Romney's raised over $3 million since the decision. Apparently things are going right in his favor.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 28, 2012 20:31:13 GMT -5
It's still a long way 'til November, but if he can run with this and pick up some momentum, it'll be interesting.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 28, 2012 21:00:32 GMT -5
Just imagine how well another candidate could do running against this if they, themselves, didn't help create it.
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Post by hbkrules on Jun 28, 2012 21:11:39 GMT -5
Just imagine how well another candidate could do running against this if they, themselves, didn't help create it. I agree that mandates (I guess we should call it a tax now)are a bad idea in general but I do think there is a difference between a state doing it and the federal government. I fear the fed gov much more than a state gov. And whether or not it's a good idea or not a state gov doing it is unquestionably constitutional.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 28, 2012 21:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by BCizzle on Jun 28, 2012 21:28:53 GMT -5
Hulk, your new username needs to be... Dr. Hulk, Attorney at Law, MD: Self-Hating LibertarianI actually heard a word I'd never heard of the other day, which is what I think I am becoming - a Liberaltarian. I'm not really keen on legalizing drugs (because drugs ruin way too many lives), but other than that I think I'm down with liberaltarianism. I'm certainly not a libertarian, but I am realizing just how fed up with government I am. But I really don't think Obamacare is such a horrible thing like some of you think. It's not about taking away freedoms and ruining people's lives - it's about trying to help people who need help. I think it could even end up saving money in the end. The whole health care business is a mess and it does need reform.
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Post by BCizzle on Jun 28, 2012 21:31:06 GMT -5
love how these are the same people who are "pro-choice".. I don't understand what that has to do with anything - it's like comparing apples to oranges. So people who are okay with abortion should be against government health care and people who are against abortion should be for government health care? That's just inane. Besides, I'm pro-death. For abortion, for capital punishment. We have too many unwanted kids and criminals anyway.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 28, 2012 21:31:25 GMT -5
Hulk, your new username needs to be... Dr. Hulk, Attorney at Law, MD: Self-Hating LibertarianI actually heard a word I'd never heard of the other day, which is what I think I am becoming - a Liberaltarian. I'm not really keen on legalizing drugs (because drugs ruin way too many lives), but other than that I think I'm down with liberaltarianism. I'm certainly not a libertarian, but I am realizing just how fed up with government I am. But I really don't think Obamacare is such a horrible thing like some of you think. It's not about taking away freedoms and ruining people's lives - it's about trying to help people who need help. I think it could even end up saving money in the end. The whole health care business is a mess and it does need reform. Eating bad food ruins peoples' lives, too, right? In fact, way more people die due to poor eating habits than would EVER die due to drugs. So should we ban bad food? Or should we only ban drugs because we're all told how bad they are and they're unpalatable for people who feel the need to control what others do?
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 28, 2012 21:47:40 GMT -5
love how these are the same people who are "pro-choice".. I don't understand what that has to do with anything - it's like comparing apples to oranges. So people who are okay with abortion should be against government health care and people who are against abortion should be for government health care? That's just inane. being pro-choice is more than just about abortion... it's about people's fundamental right to make a decision based on their bodies and lives...
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 28, 2012 21:49:30 GMT -5
I don't understand what that has to do with anything - it's like comparing apples to oranges. So people who are okay with abortion should be against government health care and people who are against abortion should be for government health care? That's just inane. being pro-choice is more than just about abortion... it's about people's fundamental right to make a decision based on their bodies and lives... I disagree with this because abortion involved more than one life. But I don't really give a crap about abortion.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 28, 2012 21:51:06 GMT -5
I actually heard a word I'd never heard of the other day, which is what I think I am becoming - a Liberaltarian. I'm not really keen on legalizing drugs (because drugs ruin way too many lives), but other than that I think I'm down with liberaltarianism. I'm certainly not a libertarian, but I am realizing just how fed up with government I am. But I really don't think Obamacare is such a horrible thing like some of you think. It's not about taking away freedoms and ruining people's lives - it's about trying to help people who need help. I think it could even end up saving money in the end. The whole health care business is a mess and it does need reform. Eating bad food ruins peoples' lives, too, right? In fact, way more people die due to poor eating habits than would EVER die due to drugs. So should we ban bad food? Or should we only ban drugs because we're all told how bad they are and they're unpalatable for people who feel the need to control what others do? it's already happening in parts across the U.S., with transfats, duck fat, sugary sodas, etc...
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Post by BCizzle on Jun 28, 2012 21:51:18 GMT -5
Wow..So when people said this man would be the start of a down fall in this country, they were right. This goes against the constitution, and our four fathers would be appalled. Who were the Four Fathers of this nation? I know, I know! That's easy. Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt. Do I get a prize?
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Post by BCizzle on Jun 28, 2012 21:53:57 GMT -5
Eating bad food ruins peoples' lives, too, right? In fact, way more people die due to poor eating habits than would EVER die due to drugs. So should we ban bad food? Or should we only ban drugs because we're all told how bad they are and they're unpalatable for people who feel the need to control what others do? Food is more dangerous that drugs? Now you're just being silly. And silly crap like that is why I take everything you say and stand for with a grain of salt. Arguing with you is like banging your head against a wall - I think Dr. Hulk could have died from massive brain damage by know - he must have a thick skull.
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Post by captain master talbot on Jun 28, 2012 22:06:37 GMT -5
Eating bad food ruins peoples' lives, too, right? In fact, way more people die due to poor eating habits than would EVER die due to drugs. So should we ban bad food? Or should we only ban drugs because we're all told how bad they are and they're unpalatable for people who feel the need to control what others do? Food is more dangerous that drugs? Now you're just being silly. And silly crap like that is why I take everything you say and stand for with a grain of salt. Arguing with you is like banging your head against a wall - I think Dr. Hulk could have died from massive brain damage by know - he must have a thick skull. Yes, because more people die of drug usage than they do of obesity related heart disease and other conditions. WEED DOESNT KILL PEOPLE THE MCDONALDS YOU EAT WHEN YOURE HIGH DOES
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Post by SMTTT! on Jun 28, 2012 22:22:25 GMT -5
Food is more dangerous that drugs? Now you're just being silly. And silly crap like that is why I take everything you say and stand for with a grain of salt. Arguing with you is like banging your head against a wall - I think Dr. Hulk could have died from massive brain damage by know - he must have a thick skull. Yes, because more people die of drug usage than they do of obesity related heart disease and other conditions. WEED DOESNT KILL PEOPLE THE MCDONALDS YOU EAT WHEN YOURE HIGH DOES But what happens to individuals when weed isn't enough and they decide they want to legalize crack cocaine. Then heroin. Then PCP. Where do you draw the line? Most drug addicts start with weed and after some time, they do not feel the high anymore, thus leading them into the heavier, more dangerous drugs. Eating bad food effects your health. Taking drugs effects your family, friends, and loved ones. Living next to a drug addict cousin most of my life, I can vouch for this.
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Post by Captain d00m - Mr. 3000 on Jun 28, 2012 22:23:28 GMT -5
Food is more dangerous that drugs? Now you're just being silly. And silly crap like that is why I take everything you say and stand for with a grain of salt. Arguing with you is like banging your head against a wall - I think Dr. Hulk could have died from massive brain damage by know - he must have a thick skull. Yes, because more people die of drug usage than they do of obesity related heart disease and other conditions. WEED DOESNT KILL PEOPLE THE MCDONALDS YOU EAT WHEN YOURE HIGH DOES Ergo, Marijuana is responsible for the deaths of Americans. Keep it banned. [/OBVIOUS SATIRE.] I'm not going to get into any of the arguments of the individual mandate, but I want to pose a question to those against it/Obamacare. Would you/Do you support a government run health care system at all? Why or why not?
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Post by captain master talbot on Jun 28, 2012 22:35:34 GMT -5
Yes, because more people die of drug usage than they do of obesity related heart disease and other conditions. WEED DOESNT KILL PEOPLE THE MCDONALDS YOU EAT WHEN YOURE HIGH DOES But what happens to individuals when weed isn't enough and they decide they want to legalize crack cocaine. Then heroin. Then PCP. Where do you draw the line? Most drug addicts start with weed and after some time, they do not feel the high anymore, thus leading them into the heavier, more dangerous drugs. Eating bad food effects your health. Taking drugs effects your family, friends, and loved ones. Living next to a drug addict cousin most of my life, I can vouch for this. I'm going to end this argument right here before the thread gets locked, so don't reply. Weed is being considered or is argued for legalization because it poses no immediate health risk, and has shown therapeutic effects in certain patients. It is not being considered for legalization just so people can get high and watch Rugrats and eat pizza cereal. Sorry about your cousin, but the whole slippery slope argument is a proven invalid critical thinking tactic, so you are wrong. On an Obamacare note, I'm not surprised its passed. I just think its hilarious when all the club Republicans I know complain about it even though they support Romney.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 28, 2012 22:42:30 GMT -5
Eating bad food ruins peoples' lives, too, right? In fact, way more people die due to poor eating habits than would EVER die due to drugs. So should we ban bad food? Or should we only ban drugs because we're all told how bad they are and they're unpalatable for people who feel the need to control what others do? Food is more dangerous that drugs? Now you're just being silly. And silly crap like that is why I take everything you say and stand for with a grain of salt. Arguing with you is like banging your head against a wall - I think Dr. Hulk could have died from massive brain damage by know - he must have a thick skull. Yeah, silly crap like the FACTS, right? The American Journal of Preventative Medicine has now shown that [url=http://www.examiner.com/article/research-confirms-obesity-is-now-leading-cause-of-preventable-death-u-s[/url]obesity is the leading cause of preventable deaths in America[/url].[/b] Not only that, but LEGAL prescriptions kill significantly more people than illegal drugs each year. Research in Florida showed that more than twice as many people die from prescription pain medication each year than die from all illegal drugs combined. So, instead of banging your head against the wall, I highly suggest listening to what I have to say on occasion versus coming into threads and making an ass of yourself by challenging me on things that you will be proven wrong on. By now I figured that everyone knew that obesity is the leading cause of heart disease... And that heart disease kills more people than cancer in America. But apparently there is still a population of people out there who thinks that THEIR form of killing themselves is better than someone else's form of killing themselves.
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