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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2012 20:44:53 GMT -5
Ok I am sure this has been addressed numerous times, but it's been on my mind a lot here lately. Back in 2004 at Wrestlemania XX Brock Lesnar and the Rock both had their last matches for a good while and left to try new ventures. One left on good terms, the other on not so good terms. And while Lesnar was burnt out on wrestling, the Rock still had a passion for it. But people started to attack the Rock in his absence saying he turned his back on his fans and wrestling as a whole. At the same time people would talk about how much they wanted Lesnar to return and how he was awesome. The Rock made appearances, yet Lesnar never did.
The Rock finally returned in 2011 and while some fans stuck with him, others claimed he was just returning for a paycheck and should go back to Hollywood. Lesnar returned in 2012 and people went batsh** crazy and were so glad he was back......even though heonly came back for the paycheck. Rock faces Cena in a pretty good match and it doesn't get much credit. Lesnar beats the sh** out of Cena for 25 minutes and it's called an awesome match. People get pissed because the Rock is just "handed" a title shot at the next Rumble ever though he holds a Wrestlemania win over Cena and you know, the whole hing about wrestling being scripted anyways. But if Lesnar were to get a title shot, most people again would love the idea.
So the question is why is the Rock hated for pursuing something else with hi life and then returns and continues to get hate, while Lesnar continues to receive praise for the same thing?
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Post by ztj_wwf on Aug 4, 2012 20:51:27 GMT -5
Exactly...Lesnar is way worse than Rock. He got put over by everyone and was made top star, and then left after 2 years. Didn't come back until he had to because his MMA career failed 10 years later. Rock gave everything he had to give to the business for 8 years and decided to go pursue other interests. He came back 7 years later, not because he had to, but because he wanted to.
Quite frankly, I personally don't have an issue with either, free human beings can do whatever the hell they want to...but for people who insult Rock but not Lesnar, shut up.
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Post by OverTheEdge on Aug 4, 2012 20:55:26 GMT -5
I feel the same way about both. I don't care what they do away from the WWE, but it pisses me off when they come back to make sporadic appearances and have the hyped out of their matches just to disappear afterwards. The only redeeming side I see in Lesnar is how he lost his first match back. Regardless, with these types of appearances, neither man is contributing anything to the business from a longterm perspective, as each big match they're booked in where they're not putting someone new over is another missed opportunity for the WWE to potentially build new stars--something which they need to keep doing. I'm not saying that each guy needs to make a full week-by-week return. But if either would appear even a 1/4 of the amount of time WWE spends hyping their next appearance or match (you know, like the whole year where we heard about nearly nothing but Rock vs. Cena, or this whole summer with Trips and Lesnar), I'd find them way more tolerable. So, essentially, I have zero problem with what either of them do outside of the WWE. What I do have a problem with is them coming back just to take the spotlight away from the guys who are there week in and week out, and who are going to still be there once the Rocks and Lesnars are done making their oh-so special appearances.
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Post by nwoblackandred4l on Aug 4, 2012 21:01:33 GMT -5
The Rock and Lesnar should not be compared.
The Rock give years of his life to the WWE and was always loyal to it and then the time came when he decided to leave and be an actor that's no big deal is it?
Brock on the other hand doesn't even deserve to be in the WWE at the moment because when he first debut the WWE give him everything, he got title reigns, he was a main eventer and basically the face of the company but he just threw it back in their face and dropped the WWE like a bad habbit.
The Rock cares about the fans but Brock only cares about money.
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Post by Chip on Aug 4, 2012 21:30:38 GMT -5
i, for one, have been pissed at lesnar from the getgo and while yeah it was a cool moment when he came out the night after 'mania....i wasn't all batcrap crazy he was back. guy was good in his prime, but overrated, had the world given to him and turned his back on it. that. there are thousands of wrestlers who would have KILLED to be literally handed 1/14th of what Lesnar got but to him it wasnt worth it because he didnt like to travel. baby. the rock, however, earned everything he got. he was a guy who was viewed as a joke, got a personality and rose to the top of the ranks. then he decided to drop it long after being at the top and sort of accidentally, to pursue a career in which he would make a crap ton more money and not have to beat himself up every night. my issue with the rock was how he went on for YEARS trying to get AWAY from wrestling, saying he didnt want to go back and literally never going back, like it was below him....when not a single soul would have known his name if it wasn't for Vince and the WWE fans. then to come back and be all lovey dovey kissy kissy is kind of a slap in the face however, out of the 2, i am much more glad to see the Rock back, because he at least SHOWS excitement, and seems like he's happy to embrace everything as it should be.
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Aug 4, 2012 22:06:33 GMT -5
I agree with the OP. Hit the nail right on the head.
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Post by el torro on Aug 4, 2012 22:12:53 GMT -5
i hate both.
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Post by Spoder Juan on Aug 4, 2012 22:39:26 GMT -5
I agree with the OP. Hit the nail right on the head.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Aug 4, 2012 22:55:33 GMT -5
The OP is 100% correct but the difference is Brock shows up and just does his thing while Rock shows up does the SAME old thing and sucks up to the fans only to leave again.
Rock acts like he never said all them things about the WWE years before returning. If he just showed up and did his job without being stale and predictable without ass kissing the fans and the E then people would be happy to see Brock & Rock back.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 4, 2012 23:02:51 GMT -5
Lesnar was NEVER near the star The Rock is and was. His leaving on bad terms was just another dude leaving on bad terms. The Rock leaving stung worse b/c of how beloved he was.
Why is Lesnar more accepted than The Rock? I dont think that is actually true. On the internet, yes. But your main stream audience is much more welcoming for Rock than Lesnar....in part b/c Rock is a face and Lesnar a heel.
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Post by Falconsinclair on Aug 4, 2012 23:14:28 GMT -5
I've never got the whole Rock v Brock debate.
The Rock is a third generation star, who worked his way to the top and once their performed at an extremely high level before Hollywood came calling. The Rock always acknowledged what WWE did to make him a star before he left, and yes there was a time when he did try to distance himself for the business, but that could have been his publicist saying he needed to change his image to help his Hollywood stock, and there have been dozens upon dozens of Hollywood stars who flip flop on many issues depending on the majority of how the public views that particular issue, so I don't hold him trying to distance himself from the WWE against him. My biggest complaint about the Rock is him coming out and saying that he is back and then disappearing for months on end.
Now for Lesnar. Brock, much like Kurt Angle was heavily scouted by WWE while he was a collegiate athlete, and after coming in he was handed everything on a silver platter only to turn his back on both the company & his fans when things didn't go his way and he had to deal with the commitments that come with being both a champion and the face of the company. Then after making a joke of himself in the UFC he comes back and is treated like he is the baddest man walking the planet today. When I first saw the Cena/Lesnar match a couple of things popped into my head concerning Brock. First he was in extremely horrible shape. Once he took his shirt off he looked like a roided up Chemo patient to me. Second, if Lesnar is suppose to be an unstoppable beast we are lead to believe, couldn't he have taken the time to actually get in shape and look the part?
Now while both men are probably getting huge pay days from the WWE for their extremely limited work schedules I feel that the Rock is the better investment as he will be around long term, and Lesnar will collect his last payment of his $5,000,000 for however many dates he appears and fade back into obscurity.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 4, 2012 23:18:20 GMT -5
Not a big fan of either one but I respect Brock more because he said 'Im done, I want to do bigger things" and then he left and moved on. Rock however says "Im done, Im not a wrestler" *New movie comes out* FINALLY THE ROCK HAS COME BACK.....HOME.....Now watch my movies *leaves again* Then goes back to being Dwayne.......oh wait, here comes a new movie, "FINALLY THE ROCK HAS COME BACK...HOME!!! and Im never leaving" *proceeds to leave again* If you want to leave, fine....Leave....Brock left. Brock left for good until he quit/retired from all his other activities he wanted to do. But dont keep coming back, leaving, coming back, leaving and saying crap and making promises to fans that you cant keep. Either stay or go but make up your ing mind!
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Aug 4, 2012 23:20:04 GMT -5
Lesnar was NEVER near the star The Rock is and was. His leaving on bad terms was just another dude leaving on bad terms. The Rock leaving stung worse b/c of how beloved he was. Why is Lesnar more accepted than The Rock? I dont think that is actually true. On the internet, yes. But your main stream audience is much more welcoming for Rock than Lesnar....in part b/c Rock is a face and Lesnar a heel. Brock's return probably got a bigger crowd reaction than The Rock's return did.
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 5, 2012 0:57:45 GMT -5
Lesnar was NEVER near the star The Rock is and was. His leaving on bad terms was just another dude leaving on bad terms. The Rock leaving stung worse b/c of how beloved he was. Why is Lesnar more accepted than The Rock? I dont think that is actually true. On the internet, yes. But your main stream audience is much more welcoming for Rock than Lesnar....in part b/c Rock is a face and Lesnar a heel. Brock's return probably got a bigger crowd reaction than The Rock's return did. Well considering that The host of WrestleMania was advertised for that night, Rock may have outpopped an out of nowhere Lesnar return.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Aug 5, 2012 1:01:53 GMT -5
Lesnar was NEVER near the star The Rock is and was. His leaving on bad terms was just another dude leaving on bad terms. The Rock leaving stung worse b/c of how beloved he was. Why is Lesnar more accepted than The Rock? I dont think that is actually true. On the internet, yes. But your main stream audience is much more welcoming for Rock than Lesnar....in part b/c Rock is a face and Lesnar a heel. Brock's return probably got a bigger crowd reaction than The Rock's return did. Both got great reactions, but if you go back, the crowd chanted for a longer time for The Rock. Both are great stars. I think that The Rock is far better in the mic than Brock, but Brock is way better than Rock in the ring. The Rock proved me wrong when he came back. I always hated how he said he loved the business, yet he wouldn't even make pre-taped appearances. I accepted that he did when the SmackDown! X anniversary show happened, and even more when he came back live last year. The thing with The Rock is, no matter how you put it in, he said he was never going away, while Lesnar, again, kayfabe or not, said he was only back for himself.
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Post by Jamal on Aug 5, 2012 1:58:29 GMT -5
Lesnar was NEVER near the star The Rock is and was. His leaving on bad terms was just another dude leaving on bad terms. The Rock leaving stung worse b/c of how beloved he was. Why is Lesnar more accepted than The Rock? I dont think that is actually true. On the internet, yes. But your main stream audience is much more welcoming for Rock than Lesnar....in part b/c Rock is a face and Lesnar a heel. Brock's return probably got a bigger crowd reaction than The Rock's return did. That crowd would have been just as loud if not louder had the Rock made the surprise return that day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 3:09:39 GMT -5
My only real problem with The Rock is how he went to Hollywood and became Dwayne Johnson and then just basically said "Screw Wrestling" and turned his back on the entire business that made him into a huge movie star and then he expects to just walk back into the WWE and everyone to treat him like a king. I think it's bullcrap. He wouldn't even acknowledge the business, claims he comes back for the fans, but doesn't stick around. At least Brock isn't going to bullcrap anyone and say he came back for the fans, we all know he came back for the money. Now, I'm not a Brock Lesnar supporter by any means and I think everything he has done since returning has been decent at best, but at least he isn't out there filling everyone full of crap like The Rock. Rock constantly says "I came back for all of you" and I find it mind blowing that people still believe that load of bs he spews out of his mouth.
It's like John Cena said in 2008 "Just don’t f*** me around and tell me that you love this. That’s the only thing that gets me really p***ed off. Our fan base have so much admiration for him, he’s got to respect that. He doesn’t give anything back.”
Not to mention he isn't the same as he used to be. His promo's used to be amazing and everything leading up to WrestleMania 28 was just decent. Now the guy is getting an undeserving WWE Title Match at the Royal Rumble and it's annoying. What has he done to deserve that?
Sorry for ranting. It just aggravates me to see someone who cares so little, get so much. Don't even get me started on that crappy birthday episode of raw they did for him...
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Post by 0,Y on Aug 5, 2012 3:10:07 GMT -5
agreed with the OP
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Post by Seahorse on Aug 5, 2012 3:24:18 GMT -5
I don't get why anyone hates either of them for leaving, wrestling is a lousy career. Good for them to get out of it and good for them to come back and still be entertaining even if they're only back for a little while.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Aug 5, 2012 3:29:52 GMT -5
My only real problem with The Rock is how he went to Hollywood and became Dwayne Johnson and then just basically said "Screw Wrestling" and turned his back on the entire business that made him into a huge movie star and then he expects to just walk back into the WWE and everyone to treat him like a king. I think it's bullcrap. He wouldn't even acknowledge the business, claims he comes back for the fans, but doesn't stick around. At least Brock isn't going to bullcrap anyone and say he came back for the fans, we all know he came back for the money. Now, I'm not a Brock Lesnar supporter by any means and I think everything he has done since returning has been decent at best, but at least he isn't out there filling everyone full of crap like The Rock. Rock constantly says "I came back for all of you" and I find it mind blowing that people still believe that load of bs he spews out of his mouth. It's like John Cena said in 2008 "Just don’t f*** me around and tell me that you love this. That’s the only thing that gets me really p***ed off. Our fan base have so much admiration for him, he’s got to respect that. He doesn’t give anything back.” Not to mention he isn't the same as he used to be. His promo's used to be amazing and everything leading up to WrestleMania 28 was just decent. Now the guy is getting an undeserving WWE Title Match at the Royal Rumble and it's annoying. What has he done to deserve that? Sorry for ranting. It just aggravates me to see someone who cares so little, get so much. Don't even get me started on that crappy birthday episode of raw they did for him... It's kind of funny now that you mentioned Cena, because a few days ago I was discussing this with a friend of mine. It's a little twist to this thread. Yeah, it seems Lesnar gets more love from the casual internet fan (for the sake of not saying 'smark', I hate that term) than The Rock does, but if we are comparing Rock and Cena, Rock gets way more positives responses from us than Cena. Rock comes back whenever he wants or feels we want him or he has the chance to, but Cena who is arguably the hardest working employee the WWE has, a man that has stayed loyal to the business and only does what he's told to. He's there full time, and some times stays even though he might be injured, but still, he gets more hate than Rock.
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