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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 25, 2012 12:26:04 GMT -5
So I'm in bed sick and I'm browsing through the DC app. The app is not all that user friendly TBH. Is any of the New 52 stuff worth getting caught up on? I broke down and bought a copy of Superman Beyond, but haven't had a chance to read it yet.
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Post by Chris Hammers on Aug 25, 2012 12:51:05 GMT -5
The only one I'm currently following in monthly comic form is Suicide Squad. I highly enjoy it, Deadshot and Harley Quinn are great characters.
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Post by moocow on Aug 25, 2012 13:34:34 GMT -5
Batman Inc is the best book, but you should probably only read that if you've read the rest of Morrisons Batman stuff.
Action Comics, Green Lantern, Animal Man and Swamp Thing are all good. Batman is ok, the Court of Owls arc was kind of lame and drawn out for the most part but hopefully it gets better soon. Lemire's run on JL Dark hasn't been bad so far. Wonder Woman has been surprisingly good, aside from some cheesy dialogue, and the last issue ended with an awesome surprise (NEW GODS!) Aquaman, Flash and All Star Western aren't bad but not great either.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 25, 2012 21:38:41 GMT -5
Teen Titans or Birds of Prey worth it?
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Post by threehgame on Aug 26, 2012 14:08:17 GMT -5
Out of the first wave titles the only ones worth reading are: Wonder Woman Justice League (Bearly) Batman and Robin Superman Stormwatch Justice League Dark
Nothing from the second wave has been exciting. Morrison and Johns are mailing it for the most part. The editors seem to be the bigger problem from the talent who have quit so far.
Teen Titans is okay but features Lobdell being Lobdell so expect some good team dynamics hidden under lazy characterization and teen humor. Birds of Prey is just a thrown together book using the idea of the 5 year time skip to build some drama.
The Green Lantern books were my favorite in the old DCU but they are just a mess today. The satellite books are bad because the writers seem to have no idea where Johns is going in the main book and Johns has no idea where he is going in the main book because he only planed 3 big arcs (Rebirth, Sinestro Corps War and Blackest Night) so he is just tying up loose ends from the past few years.
The New 52 has been good at spots terrible at others but ultimately it puts the DCU back where it was pre-DCnU.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 14:54:09 GMT -5
I've been thinking about getting into the Batman and Robin series. Would you say it's the best Batman series going right now?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 26, 2012 19:49:23 GMT -5
Do the Batman series crossover? Like do you have to read one for the others to make sense? Honestly, the new 52 really confuses me. Some of the continuity got wiped out, but some of it continued?
I read Batgirl #1. So Barbara is no longer Oracle, but she was for three years. Stupid move. Stupider is that there is no mention of Stephanie Brown or Cassandra Cain. It's like they've been retconned which makes no sense at all. If you're going to do a retcon, why not do a complete retcon and Babs has never been shot? I don't care how they just picked and chose what to keep in continuity, but then pretended like it was a complete reboot which it's not. Ugh.
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Post by threehgame on Aug 27, 2012 10:02:39 GMT -5
The Court of Owls story crossed over into every Bat-Family book, but usually you can read one series alone with no problem. Honestly the editors are making up the continuity as they go so usually the books have different takes on characters and events anyway.
As for the other Batgirls, they could have existed but the writers were supposed to come up with new villains and push the stories forward for the first year and they would fill in the gaps later. While Superman and Wonder Woman were clean slates completely, Green Lantern and Batman were supposed to have their continuities remain largely intact.
When Leifield quit he said it was because the editors had no idea what was going on, Perez said workload mixed with other difficulties (the other people working on Superman and the Sups-Family said Morrison refused to share what he was doing in Action and editors had no idea either. The idea for the reboot came up suddenly and the logistics were never really worked out.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 27, 2012 10:40:32 GMT -5
I don't understand how you can keep continuities intact for some characters, but not for others. That makes no sense to me. You either reboot them all, reboot none or selectively retcon crap. You don't reboot one character but keep another intact.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 27, 2012 14:53:05 GMT -5
If I'm going to buy 1 New 52 tpb, which one would you recommend?
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Post by threehgame on Aug 27, 2012 20:16:53 GMT -5
If you are into action then the first volume of the Justice League, if you like Batman then the first volume of Batman and Robin. Outside of that I would say some of the stuff from "The Dark" grouping or Action Comics. Or you could splurge and get the massive volume that contains all 52 #1's when it comes out.
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Post by noir on Aug 27, 2012 22:55:52 GMT -5
I read about half of the first issues, and I honestly found Animal Man to be the best of them.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 28, 2012 9:07:20 GMT -5
If you are into action then the first volume of the Justice League, if you like Batman then the first volume of Batman and Robin. Outside of that I would say some of the stuff from "The Dark" grouping or Action Comics. Or you could splurge and get the massive volume that contains all 52 #1's when it comes out. I splurged and bought Justice League and Batman and Robin. I'm not nearly done reading either of them, but I must admit I'm already insanely confused. In Justice League, Batman is a noob to the hero business and the police still think of him as a bad guy and are hunting him down. In the Batman comic it's established that he's been at the crime fighting game for some time. It makes no sense at all to me. Are these set on two different earths? I can't make heads or tails of the continuity.
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Post by threehgame on Aug 28, 2012 9:26:06 GMT -5
If you are into action then the first volume of the Justice League, if you like Batman then the first volume of Batman and Robin. Outside of that I would say some of the stuff from "The Dark" grouping or Action Comics. Or you could splurge and get the massive volume that contains all 52 #1's when it comes out. I splurged and bought Justice League and Batman and Robin. I'm not nearly done reading either of them, but I must admit I'm already insanely confused. In Justice League, Batman is a noob to the hero business and the police still think of him as a bad guy and are hunting him down. In the Batman comic it's established that he's been at the crime fighting game for some time. It makes no sense at all to me. Are these set on two different earths? I can't make heads or tails of the continuity. Sorry about that. Justice League and Action Comics are set about 5 years in the past to when the heroes just started to emerge while the other books are set in the now. Yeah, DC does nothing to let new readers know this. In the new continuity most of the heroes have been around for 5 years, Batman for 10 and GL for between 5 and 10.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 28, 2012 9:45:30 GMT -5
Why not explain that? That's what I don't get. I started reading DC after COIE and stopped about the Death of Superman era. I'm now in the process of going back and reading the stuff in between, but figured I'd get started on the new stuff and it is not making a lot of sense to me. I read Justice League up until the part where the main villain shows up (no spoilers) and am not overly impresssed with a lot of the characters. I figure JL would give me a feel for everyone and I could see which ones were interesting to read.
Superman - seems dark and broodier. I don't buy broody Supes. Seems wrong. Batman - I really enjoy because he's not dark and broody but not a team player either. Classic Bats. Wonder Woman - seems like a vapid, ditzy female. Ugh. Not impressive. Aquaman - Umm, he's still Aquaman. Still lame GL - I really enjoyed. Arrogant. Show off. Classic Jordan. I like it. Flash - Not sure. I grew up with Wally as Flash so for him to no longer exist and Barry as Flash I'm not sure. I like the character I guess, but I'm too used to Barry being dead and gone. Cyborg - The guy is a Titan, not a JLer. Feels out of place.
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Post by threehgame on Aug 28, 2012 22:34:41 GMT -5
Why not explain that? That's what I don't get. I started reading DC after COIE and stopped about the Death of Superman era. I'm now in the process of going back and reading the stuff in between, but figured I'd get started on the new stuff and it is not making a lot of sense to me. I read Justice League up until the part where the main villain shows up (no spoilers) and am not overly impresssed with a lot of the characters. I figure JL would give me a feel for everyone and I could see which ones were interesting to read. Superman - seems dark and broodier. I don't buy broody Supes. Seems wrong. Batman - I really enjoy because he's not dark and broody but not a team player either. Classic Bats. Wonder Woman - seems like a vapid, ditzy female. Ugh. Not impressive. Aquaman - Umm, he's still Aquaman. Still lame GL - I really enjoyed. Arrogant. Show off. Classic Jordan. I like it. Flash - Not sure. I grew up with Wally as Flash so for him to no longer exist and Barry as Flash I'm not sure. I like the character I guess, but I'm too used to Barry being dead and gone. Cyborg - The guy is a Titan, not a JLer. Feels out of place. Johns has them pegged far differently than any of the other writers on the solo books and that includes him in GL. The Aquaman solo is pretty cool and shows what the character can really do instead of being a background character. Cyborg is on the team to fill three roles, first because Johns has a huge crush on him, secondly so they have a tech guy and lastly because they needed a black guy and Johns loves Cyborg. Sadly JL is all about the new style, action, fast paced, poorly plotted and hollow characters like one would see in Twilight. Batman and Robin is better but is more based on what existed before Flashpoint. Look up some issues of books from the "Dark" series of titles if the core books seem to juvenile or search out the many great stories that happened between the Death of Superman and Flashpoint. Or you can do what my best friend did, give up on DC and start reading X-Men comics again which since to Second Coming, X-Force and AvX have become readable again.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 31, 2012 8:01:28 GMT -5
I have to say I've been extremely tempted by Marvel's digital subscription thing. $55 for a year seems to give access to a crap ton of old stuff. I was honestly never much of a Marvel fan and always more of a DC guy.
I'm concluding that the new 52 stuff is just trash. Complete and total trash. I'm not through reading Batman and Robin, but I can say that I really don't care for Damian and find him extremely annoying. I want someone (preferably Bruce) to just beat the living dog crap out of him. I want that so bad. But it never happens. Then I made the mistake of buying Catwoman #1. It was so sexist and degrading to women in general that even I was offended. The ending just made me want to drive over a bridge. Not just because Catwoman's only weapon now is apparently her sexuality, but that this is the 3rd Batman I've seen in the new 52 universe. There is apparently the JL Batman that's set 5 years in the past, the Batman and Robin Batman that's set in the present and the Catwoman Batman that's set somewhere in the middle. It makes no sense whatsoever that every single comic is set in a different time period. It's enough to make me defect to Marvel even though I've never bought the idea of every single hero operating out of one city.
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Post by Grant on Aug 31, 2012 12:06:19 GMT -5
Just read the normal Batman comic. #1 - #11 is the best comic I have read this year. Trust me, you will not be disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 12:26:19 GMT -5
I started reading all of them but currently I ended up only reading Batman and Green Lantern
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Post by threehgame on Aug 31, 2012 12:27:10 GMT -5
Just read the normal Batman comic. #1 - #11 is the best comic I have read this year. Trust me, you will not be disappointed. Until you get deep into the court of Owls stuff which reveals two lost bat family members which was a cheesy move. Talon is as good a bad guy (all two dozen of him) as Hush and not nearly as interesting. Catwoman and Red Hood have an over signalized concept of women and immature plotting. The New 52 really feels like it was made to dumb down the comics even more, make them more flash and attract the teen audience. Good business move so long as you get the new readers. I like the Batman and Robin story mainly because of how coddling Bruce is to the little monster that is Damian Wayne. For once Bruce has a real family connection to a Robin and it blocks him from being able to teach him. The different Batman issue comes from what Liefeld said when he walked from DC a week or two back, the editors have no idea what is going on and make no effort in matching things up, or even thinking ideas through. When Rob "Lets give then guns, DD's and no feet for no reason" Liefeld says they lack reasoning there is a problem.
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