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Post by wabarrett on Sept 4, 2012 10:30:02 GMT -5
Funny, this is normally something guys on good ol' WF jump straight on, but not in this case.
I've not seen such horrendous pandering to the crowd in a long time. Sure, it's CM Punk's hometown, he was always gonna get a massive ovation, that's fine. But the guy is a Heel, he beats up announcers, he's an obnoxious tool, and he comes out and mentions Chicago like 12 times like a total kiss-ass.
And then despite the fact that everything else he is saying is supposed to make him a bag guy, and everything Sheamus said would normally be eaten up by the crowd, the crowd blindly kiss Punk's ass 'cause he's the hometown kid and boo everything Sheamus says.
It was a horrid segment, completely counter-productive, and was certainly never gonna work in front of an audience made up of brain dead sheep. Let's be honest, Punk could have come out and said he's the only good thing to come out of Chicago, and they'd still cheer. Reminds of when he took a shot at the fans in his infamous June 2011 promo, and the bellends cheered that too.
Now, you can jump all over me for saying that, because I know CM Punk is virtually everybody's 'boy' now, but I doubt you can really argue with what I'm saying. Having a Face come out and pander to the crowd annoys a lot of you, but my God having a Heel come out and do it was just nonsensical.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if CM Punk is just getting his way lately, with a segment seemingly made just to make him look a big deal. Didn't get the point of it at all.
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Post by J12 on Sept 4, 2012 10:37:07 GMT -5
I was saying a similar thing in the Raw thread. CM Punk is my favorite guy on the roster right now (though Ziggler is an incredibly close second), but I think what they've done with him is absolutely horrible.
You're completely right. It was counter productive. It made Sheamus look like a joke. It made Punk look like a whining crybaby. Everything involving the two of them last night did more harm than good.
There was no reason for it. They never should have had any interaction, and WWE should have just accepted the fact that Punk was going to be a babyface in Chicago and dealt with it. Chicago cheers plenty of heels anyway. Pick up where you left off next week.
The entire way they've turned Punk heel has been forced and contrived anyway. People want to cheer him, especially against John Cena.
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on Sept 4, 2012 10:37:10 GMT -5
I'm not too sure you get it.
CM Punk is playing the bad guy role, but at the moment, he hasn't really embraced that, he's still argueing that he hasn't turned his back on people. It's a much more complicated point in character development, it isn't one of those heel turns that just flicks black to white, it goes through a shade of grey. As far as he's concerned, his character is the same as it always has been, he's just on a mission for respect from his peers- His issue is not with the fans at this point. He may take it out on the fans down the line, but that's not where he is right now.
And besides, was CM Punk supposed to come out and try to make the Chicago crowd hate him? It was never going to really work, he's Chicagos boy, they're always going to cheer for him over Sheamus, who is just cringe worthy right now.
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Post by MattelsRule on Sept 4, 2012 10:37:38 GMT -5
Hmmm... the point is that he was acknowledging (at least to the kiddies at home and those who don't know) that the reason he's receiving a massive pop (when he should be massively booed for the last month of actions) is due to the fact that he is from Chicago... and still trying to play it up like "see I didn't turn my back on the WWE Universe".
In the end, it worked perfectly as he was able to get the crowd to turn on him when he played up the whole "I'm taking the night off" card after walking out on the match with Sheamus.
WWE played this situation as good as possible, IMO. Not having Punk in a RAW match was executed perfectly. People wondered how he'd get heat in Chicago... well they managed to do it and do it well.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Sept 4, 2012 10:39:11 GMT -5
You killed your own argument. They were in Chicago last night. It happens all the time. No heel, that I can remember, ever went to their hometown, and bashed the fans. When Edge faced Cena at Unforgiven 2006 IN TORONTO, the crowd absolutely ate him up. Cena was worse than the worst that night - not to mention the fact that HE STILL IS, but Edge was WAY MEGA OVER because they were in his hometown and it happens all the time.
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Post by pxkgotosleep on Sept 4, 2012 10:39:20 GMT -5
We have threads on this, but none on Kaitlyn and Eve's match? Worst of the year so far. Just saying.
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Post by MattelsRule on Sept 4, 2012 10:40:14 GMT -5
I was saying a similar thing in the Raw thread. CM Punk is my favorite guy on the roster right now (though Ziggler is an incredibly close second), but I think what they've done with him is absolutely horrible. You're completely right. It was counter productive. It made Sheamus look like a joke. It made Punk look like a whining crybaby. Everything involving the two of them last night did more harm than good. There was no reason for it. They never should have had any interaction, and WWE should have just accepted the fact that Punk was going to be a babyface in Chicago and dealt with it. Chicago cheers plenty of heels anyway. Pick up where you left off next week. The entire way they've turned Punk heel has been forced and contrived anyway. People want to cheer him, especially against John Cena. I don't think the Sheamus/Punk segment made Punk look bad - but jeez, did it make Sheamus look terrible. Aside from the fact that Sheamus barely got a reaction and then got terribly booed once Punk was involved, Sheamus was stuttering over every word and was just simply owned. Really showed off too much of Sheamus' weaknesses. I'm not big into Sheamus at all right now. Watered down and terrible as a babyface. One of the worst babyface mega attractions in a long long long long time... |
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Post by Brad on Sept 4, 2012 10:40:44 GMT -5
I'm not too sure you get it. CM Punk is playing the bad guy role, but at the moment, he hasn't really embraced that, he's still argueing that he hasn't turned his back on people. It's a much more complicated point in character development, it isn't one of those heel turns that just flicks black to white, it goes through a shade of grey. As far as he's concerned, his character is the same as it always has been, he's just on a mission for respect from his peers- His issue is not with the fans at this point. He may take it out on the fans down the line, but that's not where he is right now. And besides, was CM Punk supposed to come out and try to make the Chicago crowd hate him? It was never going to really work, he's Chicagos boy, they're always going to cheer for him over Sheamus, who is just cringe worthy right now. At least someone gets it. |
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Post by wabarrett on Sept 4, 2012 10:42:06 GMT -5
I just find it odd that the guy goes around attacking beloved announcers and then panders to his hometown crowd the next week (all the while bragging about beating up said beloved announcer).
That's nonsensical to me.
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Post by J12 on Sept 4, 2012 10:45:08 GMT -5
I just find it odd that the guy goes around attacking beloved announcers and then panders to his hometown crowd the next week (all the while bragging about beating up said beloved announcer). That's nonsensical to me. My issue is that they used King (who the crowd supports no matter what, for some odd reason) as a way to force the crowd into booing Punk. The heel turn was forced. People WANT to cheer him. I still think it comes down to WWE being terrified of booking Cena against a strong babyface. They needed a new opponent for Cena, and the right guy wasn't heel, so they turned him. Of course, it hardly matters, because they're still going to cheer for Punk over Cena. Probably even in Boston. Perhaps that could all change with Paul Heyman, but still, the Paul Heyman factor plays a role. People respect what he does so damn much that a lot of them end up cheering him. |
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Post by WWE Common Terry on Sept 4, 2012 10:48:44 GMT -5
Punk is the nWo.
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Post by pxkgotosleep on Sept 4, 2012 10:52:01 GMT -5
What's bad is WWE having to book 'Heel attacks Announcer' for 15 years in order to get heel's over. Triple H attacked J.R in 1999 in order to get a title shot against Mankind for his first title win back when King was a heel.
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Post by wabarrett on Sept 4, 2012 11:05:27 GMT -5
Plus, later CM Punk makes all those fans look like mugs as he says he's not trying to come out and 'exploit the fact that he's from Chicago' (which is exactly what he was doing), before walking out on them. He's just left the arena and stopped them from seeing the match, and still ya hear 'CM Punk' chants.
I think a lot of it really comes down to a lot of WWE fans being morons.
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Post by emmaobrien1 on Sept 4, 2012 11:13:59 GMT -5
And then despite the fact that everything else he is saying is supposed to make him a bag guy  |
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Post by noir on Sept 4, 2012 11:16:16 GMT -5
What? I agree the promo itself was kinda stupid, and I felt really bad for Sheamus (one of the best guys on the roster right now imo) who was basically fed to the wolves last night despite being the logical babyface. However, the point of that promo WAS that CM Punk got his hometown crowd behind him. He thought he had the respect and support of the crowd, so much so that they'd back him when he took his 'day off' and refused to perform for them.
WWE knew that Punk could say anything, and he's still get the Chicago crowd behind him. There was absolutely no need for him to verbally insult the fans because chances are, they'd still eat him up. So instead they played the best hand possible and had him refuse to perform, probably the best thing they could do to get the crowd against him.
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Post by wabarrett on Sept 4, 2012 11:17:43 GMT -5
And then despite the fact that everything else he is saying is supposed to make him a bag guy lol, well spotted.  |
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on Sept 4, 2012 11:24:10 GMT -5
I just find it odd that the guy goes around attacking beloved announcers and then panders to his hometown crowd the next week (all the while bragging about beating up said beloved announcer). That's nonsensical to me. He beat up an announcer who he believes disrespected him and is making him out to be a bad guy, but he has no reason to be upset with the fans. It isn't nonsensical, it's just more complex than a normal heel turn. It's an added dimension of the difference between being respected by fans and by his peers. |
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Post by Rhyno101 on Sept 4, 2012 11:30:01 GMT -5
Plus, later CM Punk makes all those fans look like mugs as he says he's not trying to come out and 'exploit the fact that he's from Chicago' (which is exactly what he was doing), before walking out on them. He's just left the arena and stopped them from seeing the match, and still ya hear 'CM Punk' chants. I think a lot of it really comes down to a lot of WWE fans being morons. So the fans were morons because they wanted to cheer for their hometown guy instead of cheering for the guy WWE wants them to cheer for? Outstanding logic there. |
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Post by wabarrett on Sept 4, 2012 11:30:53 GMT -5
I just find it odd that the guy goes around attacking beloved announcers and then panders to his hometown crowd the next week (all the while bragging about beating up said beloved announcer). That's nonsensical to me. He beat up an announcer who he believes disrespected him and is making him out to be a bad guy, but he has no reason to be upset with the fans. It isn't nonsensical, it's just more complex than a normal heel turn. It's an added dimension of the difference between being respected by fans and by his peers. But this deal with him walking out on them after... either he's A) basically mocking the fans who cheer everything and anything he says and does or B) he thinks he's got enough respect from them that he feels he can walk out in the middle of a show and they'll be fine with it. Either way, nearly everyone in that crowd was clearly too dumb to acknowledge it. As I said, the guy walked out on them and still half the crowd the chanting his name. A 'complex' storyline like that is a bit wasted on crowds that will cheer Punk regardless, IMO. One way or another it didn't work in my opinion. I do accept your point in tyour first reply, clearly it went over my head if that was the point of the two Punk segments, but I doubt it's gonna do anything for his Heel turn when mosts crowds seemingly cheer certain guys no matter what. |
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Post by specterkev on Sept 4, 2012 11:33:01 GMT -5
you trashed punk man.... prepare for many smites. :/ (not from me)
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