tampatoys813
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Post by tampatoys813 on Sept 4, 2012 14:24:26 GMT -5
Let me just start by saying this topic is for discussion only. I am neither endorsing nor rationalizing scalpers, however……….
I am a little confused on the term “scalper” and why so much backlash is directed towards members on this forum who re-sell any (but WWE specifically) toys.
Time in and time out, I see people post pics of what they purchased with doubles or triples of a particular figure, and then it’s not long after that people start talking about how that person is going to scalp the extra’s. And then the person who posted the pics has to give an explanation like, oh it’s for a friend(s)…
Ummm, excuse me???
Let me start off by saying that these WWE figures are d^mn hard to find. If you happen to come across multiples of a particular figure, say Nash, why wouldn’t you want to sell the extra’s for profit, if that’s what you chose to do. I mean, there is defiantly a market for it, so why are u guys getting so mad because somebody else is trying to make a buck, or has the money to buy multiples in one trip.
Not only that, but last I checked, gas was hovering around $4/gallon, so it’s not like it’s really cheap to go on a hunt. A good hunt can cost you a whole tank of gas (and I know other members can agree to that)
When you factor in gas and time, I would think that it is justified that if an independent seller is selling a Yoko or Nash, for about $30-$40, but even higher if the market dictates it.
I know it is easy for you guys to say “wait until it hits retail” but what you guys fail to realize, is that retail is hit or miss. You may find a particular series, but maybe not a particular figure. If you live in a rural area or out of the US, your area may be just getting Elite 11 or 12 (and I have seen rural stores get those series as recent as July)
That’s also why I really don’t understand why people think Ringside is soo outrageous with their prices. For starters, you’re getting the figures literally months before they come out, you don’t have to waste gas hunting and you don’t have to worry about the stress of finding the figures. Also, plenty of people are buying figures for outrageous amounts, so if there is a market, why not exploit it. Furthermore, us collectors snatch up all the good stuff and leave them with shelf-warmers, that they have to sell at a loss. That may be partially Mattel’s fault, but STILL.
All and all, I am not endorsing anything, but I just hate to see so many members get mad when somebody is trying to sell a figure for more than retail, or posts purchase pics up with multiples.
Do you guys really expect anybody to sell you a Kevin Nash, E11 CM Punk, E12 Kane, hell even a Mankind for retail prices??
What do you guys think??
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 4, 2012 14:33:24 GMT -5
Yeah, man! Why do figure collectors on a figure collecting forum dislike people who try to rip off figure collectors? Oh, wait...
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Post by LtD73 on Sept 4, 2012 14:35:46 GMT -5
No. Let's Talk About Wrestling..................#RELEASERINGSIDEORRIOTTHEME
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BIGMAC2570
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Post by BIGMAC2570 on Sept 4, 2012 14:43:19 GMT -5
It is all in what anyone believes, it's like arguing politics or religion, how can any one person justify there RIGHTS to someone who thinks it is WRONG
Personally, I don't get the fact that fellow boardies, find multiples and then want to rape another fellow collector for a figure.
You went out hunting for Your Own Colllection, found multiples of figures and then you want someone else to pay for your gas and time?
You found the multiples while out searching for yourself, it's not like you made a special trip just for the boardie, you went out hunting for Your own collection!
I have never asked for more than retail and shipping when selling something, I have even sent figures to boardies and never asked for payment, or even a thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 14:56:32 GMT -5
If thats the going rate for a figure, then fair enough charge the going rate on the secondary market. This situation is only going to get worse than better, if everywhere had people scalping, as soon as figures hit, say these people just scalp, they'd hit retail, buy up all the in demand figures, leaving no option for anyone other than buy online at higher prices or just don't get the figure.
But whilst people pay the higher pries online, then more people are going to want a piece of the action. The only way its gunna change is when people say enough is enough Im not paying that much and nowhere buys them and the prices have to come down. But I don't see that happening
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 4, 2012 15:00:38 GMT -5
Personally, I don't get the fact that fellow boardies, find multiples and then want to rape another fellow collector for a figure. Bingo. |
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Post by Kingdomofmadness89 on Sept 4, 2012 15:01:58 GMT -5
Personally, I don't get the fact that fellow boardies, find multiples and then want to rape another fellow collector for a figure. Bingo. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 15:05:08 GMT -5
I kno i drive 50 miles one way to find good figures so if i find multiples i usually grab them and as far as scalping nobody is making anyone pay if you dont want to pay the price then move on
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Post by D.B.K. on Sept 4, 2012 15:06:26 GMT -5
It is all in what anyone believes, it's like arguing politics or religion, how can any one person justify there RIGHTS to someone who thinks it is WRONG Personally, I don't get the fact that fellow boardies, find multiples and then want to rape another fellow collector for a figure.
You went out hunting for Your Own Colllection, found multiples of figures and then you want someone else to pay for your gas and time?
You found the multiples while out searching for yourself, it's not like you made a special trip just for the boardie, you went out hunting for Your own collection!I have never asked for more than retail and shipping when selling something, I have even sent figures to boardies and never asked for payment, or even a thank you. Totally Agree! |
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Post by jrjumpshot on Sept 4, 2012 15:25:54 GMT -5
I 100 percent agree with you. There really isn't any reason why someone should get upset with someone buying as many of a certain figure they feel like when they find them first. Whoever is buying "X" number of a certain figure is obviously finding them retail. If they are finding them retail, that means you have the same opportinuties to purchase that same figure.
In all honesty, you are an idiot if you don't jump at the chance to make a profit. Money is what makes the world go around. Seriously guys, let's get real. We all complain about figures selling for $50-60 a piece, but yet we continue to fork out the cash for them because we are too impatient to wait for them to start showing up at retail.
The thing that REALLY upsets me about the whole "Scalpers" talk is that we all complain about a collector doing it, but we all praise RSC for doing the same thing. Because they are a business, it makes it ok for them to jump prices up because that figure is the hot figure?
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Post by the franchise on Sept 4, 2012 15:26:18 GMT -5
The obvious answer is that people shouldn't buy the figures at the inflated prices. This will cause the supply to increase in the secondary market which will then lower the overall price.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Sept 4, 2012 15:27:30 GMT -5
Death to Chumlees!
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Post by si4life02 on Sept 4, 2012 15:41:54 GMT -5
The sad thing is Mattel seems to always short pack the good figures. E11 punk, e12 Kane Yoko, diesel, Nash should not be one per case. If they were two per care their would be more enough to go around
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 4, 2012 15:43:21 GMT -5
If they are finding them retail, that means you have the same opportinuties to purchase that same figure. False. A lot of collectors have real jobs, and sometimes that means not being able to be at stores at 9am every day. So if someone finishes work at five -- or gets on their lunch break at one or whatever -- and goes to Toys R Us only to find some unwashed pleb has bought all the figures that morning not for their own collection but to rip off figure collectors, they're bound to be irritated. Some of us just don't want to rip off other collectors. Ringside aren't taking figures off shelves that we could be getting at retail prices. The times that Ringside does dirty scalper tricks, like when they bought all the MattelShop Rockers figures, they get slammed on here. |
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Post by MonsoonMan on Sept 4, 2012 15:49:56 GMT -5
i think alot of the backlash comes from the younger collectors who dont have credit cards or access to $50+ for an action figure. if they ask their parents to make an online purchase of SAY $50 for ONE action figure, i can imagine the parents scoffing and telling the kid to spend it a little more intelligently than that.
idk, sometimes it is hard not to realize that we all arent in our 20's and 30's with steady income that we can spend as we please. there are still some kids collecting who dont have their own car and who cant simply log onto RSC or ebay and drop digital cash on some figs.
i know when i was younger, i was at the mercy of my parents, almost begging them to take me grocery shopping so i could scope on some figs.
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Post by Renegade on Sept 4, 2012 15:50:21 GMT -5
It is all in what anyone believes, it's like arguing politics or religion, how can any one person justify there RIGHTS to someone who thinks it is WRONG Personally, I don't get the fact that fellow boardies, find multiples and then want to rape another fellow collector for a figure.
You went out hunting for Your Own Colllection, found multiples of figures and then you want someone else to pay for your gas and time?
You found the multiples while out searching for yourself, it's not like you made a special trip just for the boardie, you went out hunting for Your own collection!I have never asked for more than retail and shipping when selling something, I have even sent figures to boardies and never asked for payment, or even a thank you. Totally Agree! |
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Post by Mizzah on Sept 4, 2012 16:03:07 GMT -5
Scalping is no different that 50% of this board buying multiples of the same figure. For example, I've seen people here buy 3+ Elite 16 punks, 3+ Sin Caras or even seen someone buy 6 Basic 18 Kelly Kellys from retail. Let me ask, do you honestly need that many of one figure? I can understand being a moc collector, having one moc, and one loose... but there is seriously no need buying that many of one character.
I can also understand if you are a customizer, and you want xx in this attire or what not, but when you buy quite a few of a certain character, then say "its for friends" or "they are going in the trade board!" Technically, you scalped your store of the supply of that specific figure. Helping a fellow figure hunter here or not, you scalped to help someone here.
When I collected, I mainly collected Jakks Classic Superstars line. From Classic Series 9-12, I bought TWO of every figure, one set loose for the tickets, and one set moc, as I collected those figures MOC. I didn't buy 5+ hogans or warriors because I didn't want the next guy to get one.
Also, if you are late to a store, thats your problem. Some people can't get there when they open, and or can't be there when they stock.. Ok, valid point... but I've had friends who have collected, I would offer them to go with me figure hunting and they would reply with "Oh, I'll go later today" and when they went later that day, bam, they found nothing, and I got the main figure from the wave they wanted. Did I offer to grab them x of the set? No. They easily could of rode along to the store with me and got the figure they wanted or needed.
Problem being, stores are getting less and less cases of figures in, as shelf warmers are the reason for it... but I honestly don't see why people blame scalpers for the main issues at retail, when board members here are buying multiple of the same figure, scalping them in the trade boards for there own personal gain.
If I still collected, i'd purchase off ebay... Sure, may cost a few dollars more, but gas, and the frustration of searching would end real quick.
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Post by christhegreat on Sept 4, 2012 16:12:06 GMT -5
I totally agree. Ppl are going to pay for it, so whats the big deal. Its just like running a business. Everything gets sold for profit in America. If thats the case everyone in the USA is a scalper in some manner. You are totally right tampa. I think its just other members getting frustrated because they don't have a figure and there stores are not stocking them, so only way they can get them is online and that costs $40-$60 or more and they just get mad cause they aint getting it for next to nothing. You just got to remember these are collectables to most of us, but the reality is they are still toys. Kids collect toys so kids are mostly on these forum boards, and they don't have money like that to buy a figure so they just get mad.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 4, 2012 16:15:11 GMT -5
I honestly don't see why people blame scalpers for the main issues at retail, when board members here are buying multiple of the same figure, scalping them in the trade boards for there own personal gain. 99% of wrestling figure scalpers are members here. Whether someone is scalping on here or Ebay makes no difference, a scalper is a scalper. |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Sept 4, 2012 16:19:40 GMT -5
I have an idea! Let's just all spend whatever money we have, and not do anything to make any more! No working (since pretty much all businesses depend on retail sale of goods somewhere down the line), and no selling anything to get more money. Just spend what you have until you have no more.
That should work out great...
OR.. we could continue the system we have, where the economy prospers because people buy things at a lower price, and sell them at a higher price (depending on the supply and demand thereof).
I manage and perform in a musical act for a living. Sure, I could work cheaper than I do on some shows, but I've decided what X amount of time is worth, and I know what my costs are. I'm not interested in working to break even or lose money.
Likewise, if I can pick up an extra figure and sell it to pay for the figure I just bought for my personal collection? Well... I guess I fail to understand why I shouldn't. If someone else wants to get that figure from the store and not from online, than get to the store in time to get it.
Good rule of thumb, kids. If you can do something to generate income that's legal and moral, than don't hesitate to do. If it also happens to be a perfect example of American capitalism? Even better....
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