Mr Wrestling Jr.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Sept 20, 2012 1:56:15 GMT -5
Morning guys. I was thinking about Ziggler losing on most of the recent PPV's except MITB and noticed it was similar to Miz in 2010. Miz/Ziggler obviously both victorious at MITB. Miz/Ziggler both lose/don't compete at SummerSlam 2010/12 Miz/Ziggler both lose at NOC 2010/12, Miz lost at HIAC 2010, Ziggler we don't know yet but I'm thinking he's gonna lose or he cashes in, Miz doesn't compete at Survivor Series 2010, Ziggler will probably lose again or cash in. Just a quick thought, what do you guys think - One In Need Of Enlightenment  |
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Post by y2yay on Sept 20, 2012 2:05:02 GMT -5
He's losing to Orton and Sheamus now, because he'll get those wins back when he gets the title.
His title reign will probably consist of matches against those guys and he's not going to lose the title right away.
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Spoder Juan
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Post by Spoder Juan on Sept 20, 2012 2:30:34 GMT -5
He's losing to Orton and Sheamus now, because he'll get those wins back when he gets the title. His title reign will probably consist of matches against those guys and he's not going to lose the title right away. Interesting |
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Mr Wrestling Jr.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Sept 20, 2012 2:55:23 GMT -5
He's losing to Orton and Sheamus now, because he'll get those wins back when he gets the title. His title reign will probably consist of matches against those guys and he's not going to lose the title right away. Interesting Indeed so. I don't think " heel"  face Orton since Orton might turn at the end of the year. |
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Post by J12 on Sept 20, 2012 8:29:53 GMT -5
I think this has been brought up a couple of times in the past, but I think WWE may be "breaking him in", so to speak, with the main event level talent. It tends to be the trend with a lot of guys that they genuinely care about. Usually they have a lot of close calls, but losses nonetheless, against established talent before they go on and earn one of those spots themselves.
To me, it's when they fail to do that that guys lack staying power in the main event.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 20, 2012 9:18:21 GMT -5
I think this has been brought up a couple of times in the past, but I think WWE may be "breaking him in", so to speak, with the main event level talent. It tends to be the trend with a lot of guys that they genuinely care about. Usually they have a lot of close calls, but losses nonetheless, against established talent before they go on and earn one of those spots themselves. To me, it's when they fail to do that that guys lack staying power in the main event. While I agree with you, don't you think they have been "breaking Ziggler in" for awhile now? He competed for the World Title and WWE Title in back-to-back Royal Rumble appearances and lost, he was in the WWE Title Chamber and lost, had like 3 World Title matches against Sheamus with one on PPV where he lost, won MITB, worked a feud with Jericho and lost on PPV, and now he is doing the same with Orton, who he has faced numerous times over the last two years. My problem, that's a lot of losing. Now, it seemingly doesn't seem to matter with him because he keeps coming back, but at some point, and some point soon, he needs to win. The audience isn't going to take him seriously if he can't beat people. They didn't take Jack Swagger seriously when he came out of nowhere, and I think the majority of people didn't take Miz seriously as champion either. Obviously, those two guys weren't getting the World Title chances that Ziggler has gotten over the past two years, so it's less of a thrust, but Ziggler getting wins over Jericho and Orton on PPV would have been  ing huge for him. A heel that is not only talented, but has the gift of MITB to look cunning and smart too? That's a dangerous combo. I'm concerned to be honest. I don't think WWE does heels well at all and I personally want Ziggler to become a top player instead of a guy like Miz who fell comfortably back into the midcard. Ziggler needs to stop coming off as a jobber to the stars and start looking like a guy who belongs amongst the stars. I don't believe in elevating guys with a title, I believe in guys reaching "readiness" and then pulling the trigger and making them stick longterm with a great World Title run, see Bobby Roode. Obviously, my mind could change if they let Ziggler go over Sheamus twice, then Orton, and onto whoever else once he is champion. I think he will get a nice run, but I still see people around here saying they don't see anything special about him, which is unfathomable to me but regardless, and that tells me that it would be great to see him build some steam leading up to when he cashes-in. Make him look like a legit World Title holder and then him cashing in MITB is just a formality. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2012 15:03:53 GMT -5
I actually like this slow climb, it will make it that much more sweet to see him reach the top. The losing close matches at PPVs I think is a sort of a hazing, something most if not all the wrestlers went through before they offically became main eventers.
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Post by J12 on Sept 20, 2012 15:25:36 GMT -5
I think this has been brought up a couple of times in the past, but I think WWE may be "breaking him in", so to speak, with the main event level talent. It tends to be the trend with a lot of guys that they genuinely care about. Usually they have a lot of close calls, but losses nonetheless, against established talent before they go on and earn one of those spots themselves. To me, it's when they fail to do that that guys lack staying power in the main event. While I agree with you, don't you think they have been "breaking Ziggler in" for awhile now? He competed for the World Title and WWE Title in back-to-back Royal Rumble appearances and lost, he was in the WWE Title Chamber and lost, had like 3 World Title matches against Sheamus with one on PPV where he lost, won MITB, worked a feud with Jericho and lost on PPV, and now he is doing the same with Orton, who he has faced numerous times over the last two years. My problem, that's a lot of losing. Now, it seemingly doesn't seem to matter with him because he keeps coming back, but at some point, and some point soon, he needs to win. The audience isn't going to take him seriously if he can't beat people. They didn't take Jack Swagger seriously when he came out of nowhere, and I think the majority of people didn't take Miz seriously as champion either. Obviously, those two guys weren't getting the World Title chances that Ziggler has gotten over the past two years, so it's less of a thrust, but Ziggler getting wins over Jericho and Orton on PPV would have been ing huge for him. A heel that is not only talented, but has the gift of MITB to look cunning and smart too? That's a dangerous combo. I'm concerned to be honest. I don't think WWE does heels well at all and I personally want Ziggler to become a top player instead of a guy like Miz who fell comfortably back into the midcard. Ziggler needs to stop coming off as a jobber to the stars and start looking like a guy who belongs amongst the stars. I don't believe in elevating guys with a title, I believe in guys reaching "readiness" and then pulling the trigger and making them stick longterm with a great World Title run, see Bobby Roode. Obviously, my mind could change if they let Ziggler go over Sheamus twice, then Orton, and onto whoever else once he is champion. I think he will get a nice run, but I still see people around here saying they don't see anything special about him, which is unfathomable to me but regardless, and that tells me that it would be great to see him build some steam leading up to when he cashes-in. Make him look like a legit World Title holder and then him cashing in MITB is just a formality. Don't get me wrong, I definitely think he's ready. The "breaking him in" scenario is just the only way I can really find to explain it. I haven't understood the reasoning for a lot of his booking lately, especially against Sheamus. Then again, they did the same exact thing with Del Rio, and he, somehow, keeps getting title shots. It's clear that the crowd has a genuine appreciation for what Ziggler does - that's becoming more and more evident as be begins to get cheered over big stars simply because of his ability. Now is as good a time as ever, but quite honestly, I think WWE is far too protective of Sheamus to ever consider something like that. Sheamus' ability to captivate audiences is on terribly thin ice, and I feel like WWE is consistently horrified that it will crack and leave them with no one to carry Smackdown. |
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