Mr Wrestling Jr.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Sept 28, 2012 22:42:06 GMT -5
Hey guys
With the news on SmackDown! that Big Show is now the number 1 contender for the World Title, this feud with Sheamus will most likely lead into Survivor Series as well as TLC. I'm thinking that there gonna go the same way as last year with the World Title. WWE has big plans for Ziggler:
We’ve noted before that Ric Flair was rumored to be brought in as a new mouthpiece for Dolph Ziggler. While WWE officials say they aren’t negotiating with Flair, there has been talk of having Ziggler fire Vickie Guerrero before winning the World Heavyweight Title. The idea would to pair Ziggler with a new mouthpiece once he’s won the World Heavyweight Title. Ziggler is expected to become champion before the year is over. Partial source: F4Wonline.com
If they want him as Champion before the year is over, I'm thinking that Big Show will win the feud with Sheamus at TLC, and Ziggler will cash in on him immediately after, a TLC 2011 repeat. I know that Ziggler could cash in on RAW, SmackDown! Survivor Series or Hell In A Cell, but does anyone else think that they will have him do it at TLC?
Just a random thought
- One In Need Of Enlightenment.
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Sept 28, 2012 23:13:04 GMT -5
I can dig that. Someone on here also mentioned teaming Flair with Swagger. Swagger could really use someone.
That is, if we ever see Flair on WWE tv again.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 29, 2012 11:34:21 GMT -5
I hope Ziggler cashes in on PPV so I can have it on DVD pretty much immediately. In the past we have had to wait longer to get those cash-ins on Blu-ray or whatever when they are on Raw.
As far as Ziggler, and Flair. Ok, lets see how it goes. I think his promo on Smackdown where he told Vickie to shut and then slammed it in Sheamus' face was fantastic. I'm not sure he needs a mouthpiece. It may be going in the direction of Perfect/Brain if they put Ziggler/Flair together. I'm a fan of Vickie and everything that she does, but Dolph is ready to move forward without her. I know I wasn't on board with that until recently but it's becoming more-and-more apparent.
I think if Big Show beats the piss out of Sheamus that Ziggler should come in and take the title at HIAC. It's really the perfect situation. TLC works too but the Cell is supposed to be the devils playground, destruction central and all of those over the top adjectives that describes its unforgivingness. Kayfabewise, Sheamus should technically be more beaten up after HIAC than he should TLC imo.
I just think it's bs if they go to Big Show again. I'd like to see Sheamus win and then have Ziggler attack Sheamus from behind and then start the match or something. Just something that puts both Sheamus and Ziggler over without the easy out of the WMD from Show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 11:46:26 GMT -5
Ziggler and Flair would make a really good team, weather it happens or not, can't wait to see it. WOOOOOOO
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Post by Rule 30 on Sept 29, 2012 15:40:39 GMT -5
Ziggler does not need Flair. Someone like Jack Swagger needs Flair.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 29, 2012 15:50:54 GMT -5
I could see it now. Sheamus is facing someone in a Ladder Match. Both men are down. Ziggler comes out and cashes in. He climbs the ladder and claims his prize. Now, that would be a cool way for him to get the belt. Then the next month at the Royal Rumble he could get a pin fall victory over him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 16:03:19 GMT -5
Ziggler does not need Flair. Someone like Jack Swagger needs Flair. Flair is more incoherent now than ever. No one would need Flair. At best all he could be is a mouthpiece and his speech is so slurred and lisp ridden that you can't understand one word he says. I can't believe they're pushing Big Show into a feud with Sheamus. Sheamus has had 2 phenomenal matches with Tensai this year. They really need to go at it on a PPV at least once before Ziggler wins the gold. In fact it would be a good way for Ziggler to cash in if Tensai were to attack Sheamus after loss in a brutal match (I wouldn't expect Tensai to go over Sheamus unfortunately). Maybe Dolph can drop Vickie after that, and pair her with a heel who needs a career boost like Cody (or Tensai).
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Post by adzy on Sept 29, 2012 16:45:02 GMT -5
I could see it now. Sheamus is facing someone in a Ladder Match. Both men are down. Ziggler comes out and cashes in. He climbs the ladder and claims his prize. Now, that would be a cool way for him to get the belt. Then the next month at the Royal Rumble he could get a pin fall victory over him. Agreed, that would be pretty cool and something different
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Post by Callum1993 on Sept 29, 2012 17:01:55 GMT -5
Ziggler does not need Flair. Someone like Jack Swagger needs Flair. Flair is more incoherent now than ever. No one would need Flair. At best all he could be is a mouthpiece and his speech is so slurred and lisp ridden that you can't understand one word he says. I can't believe they're pushing Big Show into a feud with Sheamus. Sheamus has had 2 phenomenal matches with Tensai this year. They really need to go at it on a PPV at least once before Ziggler wins the gold. In fact it would be a good way for Ziggler to cash in if Tensai were to attack Sheamus after loss in a brutal match (I wouldn't expect Tensai to go over Sheamus unfortunately). Maybe Dolph can drop Vickie after that, and pair her with a heel who needs a career boost like Cody (or Tensai). Big Show gets a reaction and is over...Tensai at the moment is essentially a jobber. Why would they give him a PPV match?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 17:08:19 GMT -5
Flair is more incoherent now than ever. No one would need Flair. At best all he could be is a mouthpiece and his speech is so slurred and lisp ridden that you can't understand one word he says. I can't believe they're pushing Big Show into a feud with Sheamus. Sheamus has had 2 phenomenal matches with Tensai this year. They really need to go at it on a PPV at least once before Ziggler wins the gold. In fact it would be a good way for Ziggler to cash in if Tensai were to attack Sheamus after loss in a brutal match (I wouldn't expect Tensai to go over Sheamus unfortunately). Maybe Dolph can drop Vickie after that, and pair her with a heel who needs a career boost like Cody (or Tensai). Big Show gets a reaction and is over...Tensai at the moment is essentially a jobber. Why would they give him a PPV match? Because he can work, Big Show can't (at least not very well).
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Post by Stinger TNA on Sept 30, 2012 10:03:30 GMT -5
id like to see this happen actually
ziggler is a great champion in the waiting
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Post by y2yay on Sept 30, 2012 10:07:37 GMT -5
Ziggler does not need Flair. Someone like Jack Swagger needs Flair. I can't believe they're pushing Big Show into a feud with Sheamus. Sheamus has had 2 phenomenal matches with Tensai this year. They really need to go at it on a PPV at least once before Ziggler wins the gold. In fact it would be a good way for Ziggler to cash in if Tensai were to attack Sheamus after loss in a brutal match (I wouldn't expect Tensai to go over Sheamus unfortunately). So basically you'd do the "Someone knocks out Sheamus after a match, Ziggler cashes in" that several people have suggested...but you'd do with someone a lot less over? Eh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 10:32:03 GMT -5
I can't believe they're pushing Big Show into a feud with Sheamus. Sheamus has had 2 phenomenal matches with Tensai this year. They really need to go at it on a PPV at least once before Ziggler wins the gold. In fact it would be a good way for Ziggler to cash in if Tensai were to attack Sheamus after loss in a brutal match (I wouldn't expect Tensai to go over Sheamus unfortunately). So basically you'd do the "Someone knocks out Sheamus after a match, Ziggler cashes in" that several people have suggested...but you'd do with someone a lot less over? Eh. It'd help get him over.
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Post by pxkgotosleep on Sept 30, 2012 10:34:18 GMT -5
I've never heard anyone say that about Flair. And seeing as the lawsuit is ongoing... I hope Sheamus holds the belt foreveeeeeeeeeeeer.
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Post by Infinite on Sept 30, 2012 10:37:25 GMT -5
I can't even begin to express how little I want to see Ziggler win the title with the ol' "Champ gets beat up, heel capitalises" crap.
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Post by y2yay on Sept 30, 2012 10:40:07 GMT -5
So basically you'd do the "Someone knocks out Sheamus after a match, Ziggler cashes in" that several people have suggested...but you'd do with someone a lot less over? Eh. It'd help get him over. I doubt it. The fans don't care enough about Sheamus that anyone he takes on gets a ton of heat. Just look at Del Rio for the last six months.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 10:42:57 GMT -5
cant understand any Ziggler fans wanting him to cash in on a fallen opponent.it was the same earlier in the year with Barrett fans.
this is NOT the way to establish someone as a credible heel champion.....it worked with Edge because that was the way his character worked.it hasnt worked since.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 10:50:12 GMT -5
I think it would get Ziggler over more than doing the usual cash in, if he actually used it for a match and won by cheating or something.
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Post by y2yay on Sept 30, 2012 10:51:24 GMT -5
cant understand any Ziggler fans wanting him to cash in on a fallen opponent.it was the same earlier in the year with Barrett fans. this is NOT the way to establish someone as a credible heel champion.....it worked with Edge because that was the way his character worked.it hasnt worked since. I think that's more to do with the way WWE has handled them afterwards. Punk's 2008 title reign was poorly handled, the cash in didn't hurt him. Same with his 2009 cash-in. It was great for his heel turn, but he was completely mishandled after Jeff left. Swagger's was fine, but his becoming serious ruined him. Miz's cash-in worked and his title reign was good, so I think he's an exception. Same with Kane and Daniel Bryan. With Del Rio it was too little, too late. So yeah, I don't agree with the assessment it hasn't worked since Edge. I do however agree that Ziggler shouldn't cash it in like that. The whole point is that he's the Show Off. He should wait until WrestleMania and announce he's cashing in then. What bigger way to Show Off by not taking advantage of your opponent, and having a fair match at the biggest show of them all?
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Post by pxkgotosleep on Sept 30, 2012 10:56:55 GMT -5
Everytime I post about Ziggler being a jobber I loose karma <3
I can't understand why 'ziggler fans' would want him to cash in on Sheamus anyways. How many times has Sheamus beat Ziggler this last year? Got to be 35 times AT LEAST.
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