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Post by Bandalero on Nov 20, 2012 15:24:08 GMT -5
I've always wondered.
I remember as kid, my friend introducing me to "Hawk" and "Animal" on TV and I remember being completely floored by their look and pure awesomeness. Demolition didn't impress me and while I did like the Powers of Pain, they were no Road Warriors. They were a dominant tag team and I remember reading about their exploits all over Japan and in the various territories. Greatest team ever in my opinion.
But what if they didn't make the jump to the WWF? Was winning the "triple crown" of AWA, NWA, and WWF tag titles the thing that sealed the deal for them? We argue about what their most iconic look was; the majority of their merchandise depicts red and black - colors they wore mainly in the WWF. Yet if they never made the jump, would their work in the territories and Japan be enough to give them iconic status? Sting is accomplishing this right now without ever stepping foot in a WWF/E ring.
Would you consider teams like the Dudleys, Hardyz, Edge & Christian, New Age Outlaws, Harlem Heat etc. much more decorated/accomplished if LOD never worked for the WWF/E?
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Post by KeBen Owens on Nov 20, 2012 15:26:35 GMT -5
I'd put them in the same category as Sting. So, yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 15:28:32 GMT -5
I'd put them in the same category as Sting. So, yeah. Either this, or they spend the rest of theirs careers in Japan. |
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Post by Road Warriors on Nov 20, 2012 15:40:42 GMT -5
Of course they would. They are the team that changed not only tag team wrestling but wrestling in general forever. Up to that point no one and I mean NO ONE had seen anything like them. Their legend was secured almost as soon as they debut.
You will NEVER see another team that has had as much lasting impact as The Road Warriors had over their careers.
Case in point only 2 acts in the 80's sold out every event they were on, One was Hogan the other were The Road Warriors and the reason there was a sellout is because of them.
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Post by pxkgotosleep on Nov 20, 2012 15:41:08 GMT -5
The man named Sting.
Still awesome, but no WWE run.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Nov 20, 2012 17:10:09 GMT -5
Would you consider teams like the Dudleys, Hardyz, Edge & Christian, New Age Outlaws, Harlem Heat etc. much more decorated/accomplished if LOD never worked for the WWF/E? Most likely - they'd be a Harlem Heat level team, except without a breakout star who retrospectively got the team more attention. There are very few wrestlers that have ever really become huge stars without the WWF, because no other wrestling company was even a fraction as big. And Hawk and Animal joined at just the right time to get on the pencil cases, bedcovers and all that when WWF was going global and really getting into merchandising. Other promotions just didn't have the platform to make someone a big star -- at least until 1996 WCW, and the only huge name from there that never went to the WWF was Sting. And the crucial difference between Sting and LOD is that Sting updated his act to stay with the times. Hawk and Animal were dinosaurs by the mid to late nineties, just relics of a bygone era. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 19:05:17 GMT -5
yeah they would BUT their WWF time sealed the deal on their fame no doubt.but yeah I think they would be as revered......no doubt.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 20, 2012 19:41:45 GMT -5
Absolutely they would have. The Road Warriors were the most well known, most popular team around the world even before they ever stepped into a WWF ring. McMahon had to "invent" guys that would come in from other companies. He had to put Sid with the biggest face to get the face to say "man this guy is a big time player". He brought in the Powers of Pain, who were already a fairly successful tag team in the NWA, but had to still work to get them over with the crowd. There's three people McMahon never had to do that with. Flair, Hawk and Animal. From the very day they walked through the WWF curtains, the fans knew exactly who they were, what they've done and just how big of a name they were.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 20, 2012 21:38:06 GMT -5
I find it a joke people look at Sting and hold it againt him cause he never lowered himself to work for McMahon. Sting is sone of the greatest ever. LOD is the same. One of the best tag teams ever w/ or w/out their WWE run.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 21:40:08 GMT -5
I find it a joke people look at Sting and hold it againt him cause he never lowered himself to work for McMahon. Sting is sone of the greatest ever. LOD is the same. One of the best tag teams ever w/ or w/out their WWE run. Sting is easily the best and biggest legend to never work for Vince. Anyone that holds that against him is an idiot. |
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Nov 20, 2012 23:24:12 GMT -5
Well holding the NWA, AWA, and WWF titles during the 1980's was like holding the WWE, WCW, and ECW titles in the present.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 23:39:06 GMT -5
Of course. They were already huge stars and didn't need a run in the WWF to cement their legacy.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 21, 2012 1:00:36 GMT -5
Well holding the NWA, AWA, and WWF titles during the 1980's was like holding the WWE, WCW, and ECW titles in the present. Not really. While WCW-NWA and WWF-WWE pretty much cancel each other out, AWA was light years ahead of what ECW was. ECW was more like WCCW. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 6:10:25 GMT -5
Absolutely they would have. The Road Warriors were the most well known, most popular team around the world even before they ever stepped into a WWF ring. McMahon had to "invent" guys that would come in from other companies. He had to put Sid with the biggest face to get the face to say "man this guy is a big time player". He brought in the Powers of Pain, who were already a fairly successful tag team in the NWA, but had to still work to get them over with the crowd. There's three people McMahon never had to do that with. Flair, Hawk and Animal. From the very day they walked through the WWF curtains, the fans knew exactly who they were, what they've done and just how big of a name they were. truth. Vince brought POP in after his second failed attempt to sign Hawk & Animal in 88..... his plan for The Roadies was for them to feud with(now very sucessful & over)unbeatable heel Demolition....... but he couldnt sign them SO he thought these two charisma bypasses could fill in for The Road Warriors in a face role  with no entrance music or anything? after a couple of months he seen he had to turn Demo face and POP heel.and even at that they were only over as heels because of Fuji who got great heat. not one of Vinces better plans. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 9:05:08 GMT -5
I think you could use Sting as a fair example of how they would be considered.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 12:35:23 GMT -5
I think you could use Sting as a fair example of how they would be considered. Yeah. They would be the tag team versions of Sting. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 18:30:58 GMT -5
I think you could use Sting as a fair example of how they would be considered. yeah you could actually.its the best comparison. |
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Post by Bandalero on Nov 22, 2012 10:44:12 GMT -5
Fair assessment guys, thanks for the input but what about my follow-up question?
Other than Harlem Heat (that never worked for the WWF but had a breakout star) other teams like the New Age Outlaws, Dudleys, Hardyz, Edge & Christian, even the Steiner Bros all had WWF exposure, multiple titles, heavily merchandised, and a global reach that I think the Road Warriors couldn't possibly have had in the 90s & 2000s without joining the WWF when they did.
I know how dominant they were in the 80s in the AWA/NWA/territories and Japan but by the time WWF went global, if they didn't make the jump when they did - I don't think we convincingly be saying they were the best ever. I really do think the WWF marketing machine added to their legacy 10-fold.
Was looking over my RW DVD and Animal's in his show-room and other than the Remco figures and a few PWI covers on the wall, everything was WWF-brand. Vince didn't make these guys, that's a fact, but I do feel when they jumped to the WWF in '92 despite not having Ellering initially at their side, despite Rocco, and despite ill-fated alcohol angles - their legacy was solidified. And if that didn't happen people would be saying that the Dudleys were a better tag team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2012 15:13:13 GMT -5
Fair assessment guys, thanks for the input but what about my follow-up question? Other than Harlem Heat (that never worked for the WWF but had a breakout star) other teams like the New Age Outlaws, Dudleys, Hardyz, Edge & Christian, even the Steiner Bros all had WWF exposure, multiple titles, heavily merchandised, and a global reach that I think the Road Warriors couldn't possibly have had in the 90s & 2000s without joining the WWF when they did. I know how dominant they were in the 80s in the AWA/NWA/territories and Japan but by the time WWF went global, if they didn't make the jump when they did - I don't think we convincingly be saying they were the best ever. I really do think the WWF marketing machine added to their legacy 10-fold. Was looking over my RW DVD and Animal's in his show-room and other than the Remco figures and a few PWI covers on the wall, everything was WWF-brand. Vince didn't make these guys, that's a fact, but I do feel when they jumped to the WWF in '92 despite not having Ellering initially at their side, despite Rocco, and despite ill-fated alcohol angles - their legacy was solidified. And if that didn't happen people would be saying that the Dudleys were a better tag team. Only stupid people. |
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Post by bigraj on Nov 22, 2012 17:42:53 GMT -5
Absolutely they would have. The Road Warriors were the most well known, most popular team around the world even before they ever stepped into a WWF ring. McMahon had to "invent" guys that would come in from other companies. He had to put Sid with the biggest face to get the face to say "man this guy is a big time player". He brought in the Powers of Pain, who were already a fairly successful tag team in the NWA, but had to still work to get them over with the crowd. There's three people McMahon never had to do that with. Flair, Hawk and Animal. From the very day they walked through the WWF curtains, the fans knew exactly who they were, what they've done and just how big of a name they were. That sums it up perfectly. |
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