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Nov 27, 2012 15:59:10 GMT -5
Post by Infinite on Nov 27, 2012 15:59:10 GMT -5
So when watching classic wrestling, I often find myself thinking about some of the big, and I mean BIG changes in the WWE landscape over the years. Torches passing, moods shifting, fan culture changing, all that good stuff. And I inevitably end up (as I'm sure many of you do) trying to define the various 'eras' that we WWE fans like to talk about so much. For me, while I accept everyone's definition will be different, I see the various phases WWE/F underwent over the years as something like this (note that I start at year 1984, as this is roughly the time WWE as we know it really kickstarted): 84-92: The Hulkamania Era- So here it's basically all about Hogan. There were various notable 'supporting' characters if you will, but the key themes of clean cut good vs evil contests, family friendly content, and above all Hogan winning remained prevalent throughout. 93-97: The New Generation- Basically, Hogan left. Because of this WWF found themselves having to create and truly push some new faces. The likes of Hart and Undertaker were used for their experience and popularity to lead the line while Razor, Diesel, Michaels, Mankind and Stone Cold were pushed to the forefront. A lot more actual wrestling started to take place in this period of time, while less importance was placed on size. 98-2001: The Attitude Era- Hart got screwed, Michaels got injured/drugged out of his mind, and Austin blew the up. WWF notoriously became this edgy, violent, crude, explosive product. Here Triple H, Rock, Mankind and Austin were among the mainstays at the top. 02-05: The Ruthless Aggression Era- WWF/E won the Monday night wars, and very shortly after they found themselves without the names that helped them skyrocket to popularity once more. Either through lack of necessity or lack of ideas, the edge of the product started to fade, and WWE started to swing towards what could be described as a more professional, sports-like, dare I say 'realistic' style of presentation. I say this all in the knowledge that this is the phase that brought us the wonders of Katie Vick, but in my view with the spotlight being shone on decidedly less 'outlandish' stars such as Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Benoit, Triple H etc. the point still stands to a degree. By the end of this era we begin to see wrestlers who began the phase as rookies become bona fide stars. Here I'm talking about Cena, Batista, Edge (less so), and Orton. 2006-Now: The Cena Era- Many seem to split this time into multiple titles, such as the 'modern era', the 'rebuilding era' and the like, most notably the 'PG era'. For me, the last 7 years, much like the Hulkamania era, all come under the common themes of more 'PR friendly', kid based, less edgy programming. Also much like the Hulkamania phase, this era has had many notable supporting talents, however the common trends previously stated, alongside the theme of Cena main eventing, and more importantly winning in what feels like the vast majority of top tier shows throughout the time period. I just wanted to hear what others felt on the topic, really. How do you split the eras? Do you define them based on top stars, or running themes in the programming? Thanks in advance.
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Nov 27, 2012 16:03:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 16:03:46 GMT -5
pretty much the same as you man.......
I do view Attitude as 97-2001 and Ruthless Agression as 2002-2007 though
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Nov 27, 2012 16:37:52 GMT -5
Post by punksnotdead on Nov 27, 2012 16:37:52 GMT -5
^ Same.
I count Attitude Era from 97 to 01 and then Ruthless Aggression from 02 to when Benoit died. Then Benoit death to present is the PG era. Although, a case could be made from 09-12 being a different product than what we were seeing from 06-08. I'd like to think we are starting to see the beginning of a new era that we can call the post Linda campaign era, hopefully.
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Nov 27, 2012 17:01:26 GMT -5
Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 27, 2012 17:01:26 GMT -5
There was never a ruthless aggression era. 02-05 was still pretty much attitude it just started to fizzle out. In fact i dunno about that last statement...i just never thought of a ruthless aggression era. The era phrase is used too commonly, McMahon has came out numberous times saying "oh we are enterting into a new era blah blah" i dunno how many times ive heard that over the last few years. You've got the cartoon era going back with Hogan, the new generation, attitude then the cena years, i think the WWE has been going through a transitional period the last 2 years or so but just cant get it defined.
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Nov 27, 2012 17:12:24 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 17:12:24 GMT -5
There was never a ruthless aggression era. 02-05 was still pretty much attitude it just started to fizzle out. In fact i dunno about that last statement...i just never thought of a ruthless aggression era. The era phrase is used too commonly, McMahon has came out numberous times saying "oh we are enterting into a new era blah blah" i dunno how many times ive heard that over the last few years. You've got the cartoon era going back with Hogan, the new generation, attitude then the cena years, i think the WWE has been going through a transitional period the last 2 years or so but just cant get it defined. PG era.
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Nov 27, 2012 19:26:44 GMT -5
Post by Rule 30 on Nov 27, 2012 19:26:44 GMT -5
I still don't get why it's called the "PG Era" when WWE was PG in the past too.
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Nov 27, 2012 19:33:57 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 19:33:57 GMT -5
I still don't get why it's called the "PG Era" when WWE was PG in the past too. More noticeable maybe?
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Nov 27, 2012 19:53:37 GMT -5
Post by Nivro™ on Nov 27, 2012 19:53:37 GMT -5
I start the Attitude Era at the 1996 King of the Ring with the Austin 3:16 speech.
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Nov 27, 2012 23:19:05 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 23:19:05 GMT -5
I start the Attitude Era at the 1996 King of the Ring with the Austin 3:16 speech. na more so 97 when they changed presentation, and they started airing the attitude promos. To me the Ruthless Agression was 02-08 and the PG Era or whatever you want to call it now
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Nov 27, 2012 23:23:56 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 23:23:56 GMT -5
I defines them by the theme. I would do the Ruthless Agression from 2002-2007. As 2008 was a little bit of turning point to the PG Era.
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Nov 28, 2012 1:41:23 GMT -5
Post by ToastMaster General on Nov 28, 2012 1:41:23 GMT -5
The PG era started in Summer of '08, the night Cena spray painted "JBL is poopy" on JBL's limo....thus a dynasty of garbage began.
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Nov 28, 2012 3:28:32 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 3:28:32 GMT -5
I still say the AE was from 97-02.
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Nov 28, 2012 10:23:41 GMT -5
Post by outlawhunter73 on Nov 28, 2012 10:23:41 GMT -5
I completely agree with your separation of the eras. I started watching in 83. BUt I think starting 2010 they started to make cena seem more human and less unbeatable machine that he was for a long time.
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Nov 28, 2012 11:01:40 GMT -5
Post by Infinite on Nov 28, 2012 11:01:40 GMT -5
There was never a ruthless aggression era. 02-05 was still pretty much attitude it just started to fizzle out. In fact i dunno about that last statement...i just never thought of a ruthless aggression era. The era phrase is used too commonly, McMahon has came out numberous times saying "oh we are enterting into a new era blah blah" i dunno how many times ive heard that over the last few years. You've got the cartoon era going back with Hogan, the new generation, attitude then the cena years, i think the WWE has been going through a transitional period the last 2 years or so but just cant get it defined. PG era. See I don't see the reasoning in naming a PG era beginning with 2008 when in actuality the difference between the product really wasn't that big at all, certainly not big enough to warrant a new era in my eyes. As for the next phase to come for WWE, I think that judging on history, we'll know when it's here, and we'll know almost for certain. All eras seem to start with this sense of certainty about them, whether it be the New Generation with their Huckster/Nacho Man campaign and such, the Attitude Era with McMahon basically announcing it on Raw, The Ruthless Aggression era with McMahon again conveying the change to the audience through a speech, or even the Cena era, which really definitively began at WM 21, with he and Batista leaving the show as world champions, as well as Edge winning MITB, and Orton putting on a hell of a show with Undertaker. For me we're still very much in the Cena era, and this may well only really change when Cena quits or retires (history also indicates this may be the case).
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Nov 28, 2012 12:02:45 GMT -5
Post by MrPerfect25 on Nov 28, 2012 12:02:45 GMT -5
I think the attitude era was 97-02. The new logo debuted in 97 and Mcmahon starting getting into the storylines as a character after the hitman screwjob. from 03-06 there was still blood in matches and cena won his first championship.
speaking of this, has cena ever bled in a match? like actually cut himself open. I know he bled from his mouth and needed a couple of stitches in the lesnar brawl but that was accidental. I ask because from 04-2010 I didn't really watch much, just Rumbles and Manias
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Nov 29, 2012 16:41:30 GMT -5
Post by Rule 30 on Nov 29, 2012 16:41:30 GMT -5
I think the attitude era was 97-02. The new logo debuted in 97 and Mcmahon starting getting into the storylines as a character after the hitman screwjob. from 03-06 there was still blood in matches and cena won his first championship. speaking of this, has cena ever bled in a match? like actually cut himself open. I know he bled from his mouth and needed a couple of stitches in the lesnar brawl but that was accidental. I ask because from 04-2010 I didn't really watch much, just Rumbles and Manias I remember his I Quit match with JBL being a blood bath.
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Nov 29, 2012 16:46:59 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2012 16:46:59 GMT -5
I think the attitude era was 97-02. The new logo debuted in 97 and Mcmahon starting getting into the storylines as a character after the hitman screwjob. from 03-06 there was still blood in matches and cena won his first championship. speaking of this, has cena ever bled in a match? like actually cut himself open. I know he bled from his mouth and needed a couple of stitches in the lesnar brawl but that was accidental. I ask because from 04-2010 I didn't really watch much, just Rumbles and Manias
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Nov 30, 2012 22:04:00 GMT -5
Post by MrPerfect25 on Nov 30, 2012 22:04:00 GMT -5
wow! there ya go. thanks. was that on smackdown??
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Nov 30, 2012 22:14:20 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 22:14:20 GMT -5
wow! there ya go. thanks. was that on smackdown?? I believe that was the I Quit match from Judgement Day 05
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Dec 1, 2012 15:58:17 GMT -5
Post by Nivro™ on Dec 1, 2012 15:58:17 GMT -5
I start the Attitude Era at the 1996 King of the Ring with the Austin 3:16 speech. na more so 97 when they changed presentation, and they started airing the attitude promos. To me the Ruthless Agression was 02-08 and the PG Era or whatever you want to call it now The Austin 3:16 promo was the launch of the Attitude Era. It might have still been a small snow ball and not an avalanche yet, but it was still the start. Things became personal and edgy right after that. It wasnt raunchy like it was in 97 but it was still starting to head in that direction.
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