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Post by Joe/Smurf on Nov 28, 2012 1:49:04 GMT -5
Mattel has often said that their figures are a year off, but lately, it's been kinda weird. This seems to be true most of the time, but there always seems to be one figure that is wonky in the timeline.
For example, most of Elite 16 is based around June/July 2011, but The Rock is from Survivor Series in November.
Elite 17 is based around September/October 2011, but Sheamus is from Wrestlemania of THIS year.
Elite 18 is based around November/December, but it has Rey who was injured during that time (and an extended time after that).
Elite 19 is based around January/February 2012, but has Brock who didn't return until April, and didn't wrestle until late in that month.
Elite 20 seems to be based around March/April 2012. We're getting Santino from when he first won the title, Jericho and Cody from Wrestlemania, and... Cena from Money in the Bank? That's three months later!
I'm just sort of confused as to why there always seems to be one figure that's out of the timeline. And if we can "rush" a figure like Rock or Lesnar or MITB Cena, why don't we do that with more characters? I don't expect Mattel to have an answer for this, so I guess it's more of an observation than anything else.
On a side note, we can basically look at May/June 2012 for E21, which means Ryback, Sandow, Prime Time Players and Otunga are all possibilites as they were featured prominently. I wouldn't hold my breath, but Hunico and Camacho also got on back-to-back pay-per-views in this time (although lost to Sin Cara and Ryback, respectively). I'd also guess that the Johnny/Teddy BAF sets come out around the same time as E20/21.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Nov 28, 2012 3:35:39 GMT -5
It's been hard to predict lately!
Brock Lesnar would be a good measure of absolute quickest turnaround possible on new molds. They really must've hauled ass on him to get E19 and B25 out this year for pre-orders. So by that logic, if they fire all cylinders for a special opportunity, it looks like around 6-7 months. They made all new parts for him, too. Due to the nature of his contract, they probably HAD to hurry with him since nobody knows if he'll sign an additional year after WM29. I'd be surprised if they did that for anyone else (Sin Cara took almost a complete year to hit retail, and he was also huge in demand).
Rock was a quick replacement for Alex Riley in E16, who they pulled due to him falling to a black hole. That's why he's so updated compared to the rest of them.
They're able to do simple repaints pretty quickly. Cody in white from his most recent Basic was a quick turnaround when it came out, as is the Sheamus you mentioned. Sheamus debuted that attire at the Rumble, but yeah - he wore it at WM and comes with the title he won at WM. Since they got rid of the separate PPV series, it seems like they're doing prioritized updated attires here and there in the main lines.
So, excluding the magic they pulled with Lesnar, it's probably still the 9-12 months for new molds/scans and most attires, but when they prioritize attire updates for a select few, they can churn them out at a rate of 4-5 months. It's hard to tell their rate sometimes since we usually don't know which guy was slotted where -i.e. Kofi was suppose to be in E16, Christian - E19, etc. So some guys may seem more outdated than they initially were before they got bumped for whatever reason.
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Post by PJ on Nov 28, 2012 5:16:49 GMT -5
They said it was a year to do an all new figure (new sculpt or first time wrestler) but 3-6 months for just a paint deco.
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Post by si4life02 on Nov 28, 2012 8:17:16 GMT -5
Other then Brock being the exception every other new superstar has taken a about a year to debut
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 28, 2012 9:26:23 GMT -5
Didn't Brock sign his licensing deal prior to his re-debut at Raw after Mania? I was thinking that was the case and if so then it's not unreasonable to think that Mattel was working on at least a scan prior to April. I don't know, just a guess that maybe explains it. Also though, Brock is only guaranteed to be active for a year so I would also guess there was some serious urgency to get him done and out before Mania 29.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 9:27:49 GMT -5
e19 Ziggler question: When did he wear the pink tights, and when did he stop wearing them? I am confused as to why
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 9:28:50 GMT -5
Their numbers are based on retail release, not RSC release. So E19 will hit around February/March in 2013, which will be almost a year from Brock's release.
Biggest mistake everyone makes is that the figure timeline is based on when the figures are likely to hit stores, not RSC.
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Post by Chip on Nov 28, 2012 10:49:53 GMT -5
Their numbers are based on retail release, not RSC release. So E19 will hit around February/March in 2013, which will be almost a year from Brock's release. Biggest mistake everyone makes is that the figure timeline is based on when the figures are likely to hit stores, not RSC. pretty much sums it up. I never understood how it takes so long to make a wrestling figure. a year seems like a LONG time considering most new figures are just a head and different paint. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 28, 2012 11:04:21 GMT -5
pretty much sums it up. I never understood how it takes so long to make a wrestling figure. a year seems like a LONG time considering most new figures are just a head and different paint. They have to scan the wrestler's head, then go through the process of digitally sculpting it. Then making molds, testshots, prototypes. Retooling and refining. Finalising the head, and the parts choices. And the deco. Getting WWE to give the go-ahead to that figure and time spent making changes if WWE insists. If it's using other new parts besides the head, that's extra time too. Then gearing up for mass production and slotting it into the right series. Plus time taken to make budgeting decisions, figuring out how they can release a figure the way they want within budget or which corners they need to cut. And they have a lot of figures they're working on at the same time. Every two months, it's twelve basic singles, three basic two-packs and six elite singles. Plus whatever store/online exclusives are going on at a time. Then there's the actual production process and shipping to vendors. |
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Post by tampatoys813 on Nov 28, 2012 13:00:40 GMT -5
Brock Lesner AND Paul Heyman signed deals in December of last year. I m sure they started working on him then.
I will predict that Heyman will be the mail away for next year.
The others you referred to having quick turnaround are mostly repaints. Cena, Rock (they just added the beard) and Sheamus are, I would imagine, fairly easy to turn around, especially with Sheamus. Im sure they were already working on another Sheamus and just added the belt (which Im sure they have tons of)
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Post by poindizzle on Nov 28, 2012 13:41:51 GMT -5
Brock Lesner AND Paul Heyman signed deals in December of last year. I m sure they started working on him then. I will predict that Heyman will be the mail away for next year. The others you referred to having quick turnaround are mostly repaints. Cena, Rock (they just added the beard) and Sheamus are, I would imagine, fairly easy to turn around, especially with Sheamus. Im sure they were already working on another Sheamus and just added the belt (which Im sure they have tons of) Sheamus was a very simple repaint, and that attire debuted at Royal Rumble. Adding the belt makes it Wrestlemania specific, but I'm going to refer back to E14 Alberto Del Rio, and how they pulled the plug on the attire he was originally supposed to be in to be Summerslam specific. I've got nothing on the Lesnar thing unless what everybody is saying is true about the contract being signed in December. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 14:00:22 GMT -5
I said that about 20-0 taker seems like the pumped that out fast and should be able to do that with all of the elites
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 28, 2012 14:05:34 GMT -5
I said that about 20-0 taker seems like the pumped that out fast and should be able to do that with all of the elites That was a one-off figure with only one new part, and they only just did it in time. They couldn't produce figures that fast on a regular basis. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 15:20:00 GMT -5
Yeah i noticed that! But it is great the figures are coming out quicker!
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Nov 29, 2012 0:24:45 GMT -5
Their numbers are based on retail release, not RSC release. So E19 will hit around February/March in 2013, which will be almost a year from Brock's release. Biggest mistake everyone makes is that the figure timeline is based on when the figures are likely to hit stores, not RSC. When I first started typing this out, I had pointed out that out. Must have deleted it. Doesn't explain why he is so off from the timeline of the rest of the set though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2012 1:39:34 GMT -5
Their numbers are based on retail release, not RSC release. So E19 will hit around February/March in 2013, which will be almost a year from Brock's release. Biggest mistake everyone makes is that the figure timeline is based on when the figures are likely to hit stores, not RSC. When I first started typing this out, I had pointed out that out. Must have deleted it. Doesn't explain why he is so off from the timeline of the rest of the set though. actually seems like retail is hitting way closer to rsc release lately might just be because of the holidays though would be interested to see what happens after the holidays |
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